yes, you can use an opcode like syncgrain/syncloop or partikkel. There are others too,
take a look at Iain McCurdy’s granular synthesis examples.
========================
Dr Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:40, T Lopez  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!! I really like how selfmade grain overlaps audio streams...
> 
> I would like to do something similar with the other granular opcodes for an installation I'm coding in pure data.
> 
> My question is: Is there another way to overlap streams without using schedwhen?
> 
> Besides using multiple instances I mean..
> 
> I hope my question is clear, if not, please ask for clarification.
> 
> Thank you.
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With Partikkel you should be able to do everything you want in terms of granular synthesis,
overlapping streams should not be a problem. Maybe you should ask a specific question on
Partikkel, and I am sure there would be people here with expertise to help you.
========================
Dr Victor Lazzarini
Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
Maynooth University,
Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
Tel: 00 353 7086936
Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:52, T Lopez  wrote:
> 
> Thanks so much for your response, I should have been more specific...
> 
> I am using partikkel currently....the point is, I don´t know how to get the streams to overlap as in selfmade grain without using schedwhen in another instrument..
> 
> or is that the only way?
> 
> On 15 September 2016 at 13:50, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> yes, you can use an opcode like syncgrain/syncloop or partikkel. There are others too,
> take a look at Iain McCurdy’s granular synthesis examples.
> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> 
> > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:40, T Lopez  wrote:
> >
> > Hi all!! I really like how selfmade grain overlaps audio streams...
> >
> > I would like to do something similar with the other granular opcodes for an installation I'm coding in pure data.
> >
> > My question is: Is there another way to overlap streams without using schedwhen?
> >
> > Besides using multiple instances I mean..
> >
> > I hope my question is clear, if not, please ask for clarification.
> >
> > Thank you.
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Okkk, makes sense...will do.

One last question then...or maybe I should do the same as with partikkel..

Would you happen to know how one could achieve this with fog?

Thanks so much for your swift responses.

Not quite sure what exactly you want to do, but you can have overlapped streams
with any of these opcodes, fog included. 
========================
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Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
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Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 

> On 15 Sep 2016, at 13:12, T Lopez  wrote:
> 
> Okkk, makes sense...will do.
> 
> One last question then...or maybe I should do the same as with partikkel..
> 
> Would you happen to know how one could achieve this with fog?
> 
> Thanks so much for your swift responses.
> 
> On 15 Sep 2016 14:00, "Victor Lazzarini"  wrote:
> With Partikkel you should be able to do everything you want in terms of granular synthesis,
> overlapping streams should not be a problem. Maybe you should ask a specific question on
> Partikkel, and I am sure there would be people here with expertise to help you.
> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
> Maynooth University,
> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> Tel: 00 353 7086936
> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> 
> > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:52, T Lopez  wrote:
> >
> > Thanks so much for your response, I should have been more specific...
> >
> > I am using partikkel currently....the point is, I don´t know how to get the streams to overlap as in selfmade grain without using schedwhen in another instrument..
> >
> > or is that the only way?
> >
> > On 15 September 2016 at 13:50, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> > yes, you can use an opcode like syncgrain/syncloop or partikkel. There are others too,
> > take a look at Iain McCurdy’s granular synthesis examples.
> > ========================
> > Dr Victor Lazzarini
> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
> > Maynooth University,
> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
> >
> > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:40, T Lopez  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all!! I really like how selfmade grain overlaps audio streams...
> > >
> > > I would like to do something similar with the other granular opcodes for an installation I'm coding in pure data.
> > >
> > > My question is: Is there another way to overlap streams without using schedwhen?
> > >
> > > Besides using multiple instances I mean..
> > >
> > > I hope my question is clear, if not, please ask for clarification.
> > >
> > > Thank you.
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Ok..what I mean is, all of the granular opcode examples are monophonic, as they only play one "note" at a time

Selfmade grain's use of sndwarp is polyphonic as the "notes" are triggered every 12.5 seconds and overlap..forming a brief 'chord'

This is due to schedwhen triggering sndwarp..

I wanted to know if it was possible to use the opcodes polyphonically(did I spell that right??) as in the above example WITHOUT using schedwhen to trigger the opcode..

I hope that's clear...I should have probably phrased it that way in the original post.

Hi. Do you have an example csd of what you want to do?
And also one that shows how it does not work like you want with the granular opcodes?
As simple examples as possible, makes it easy to help.
Best
Oeyvind

Ok good idea thx, will post later after work;-)

I am curious, are you using the partikkel example within CsoundQT? The code has:

kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution (0=periodic,
1=scattered)

which, if I remember correctly, invalue defaults to 0, which would set
partikkel to use a periodic distribution.  If you're not using
CsoundQT, then I would check all of the lines using invalue and
perhaps set it to a value manually.

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:02 AM, T Lopez  wrote:
> A little bit delayed but here it goes......
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
> --env:SSDIR+=../SourceMaterials -odac
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
> ;example written by Iain McCurdy
>
>
>
> sr = 44100
>
> ksmps = 32
>
> nchnls = 2
>
> 0dbfs = 1
>
>
>
> ; the name of the sound file used is defined as a string variable -
>
> ; - as it will be used twice in the code.
>
> ; This simplifies adapting the orchestra to use a different sound file
>
> gSfile = "folo.wav"
>
>
>
> ; waveform used for granulation
>
> giSound  ftgen 1,0,2097152,1,gSfile,0,0,0
>
>
>
> ; window function - used as an amplitude envelope for each grain
>
> giWFn   ftgen 2,0,16384,9,0.5,1,0
>
>
>
> seed 0 ; seed the random generators from the system clock
>
> gaSendL init 0  ; initialize global audio variables
>
> gaSendR init 0
>
>
>
> instr 1 ; triggers instrument 2
>
>
>
> ktrigger  metro .08
>
> schedkwhen ktrigger,1,40,2,0,40
>
> endin
>
>
>
>   instr 2 ; generates granular synthesis textures
>
> ;define the input variables
>
> ifn1        =          giSound
>
> ilen        =          nsamp(ifn1)/sr
>
> iPtrStart   random     1,ilen-1
>
> iPtrTrav    random     -1,1
>
> ktimewarp   line       iPtrStart,p3,iPtrStart+iPtrTrav
>
> kamp        linseg     0,p3/2,0.2,p3/2,0
>
> iresample   invalue "pitch"
>
>
>
> ifn2        =          giWFn
>
> ibeg        =          0
>
> iwsize      invalue "size"
>
> irandw      =          iwsize/3
>
> ioverlap    =          50
>
> itimemode   =          1
>
> ; create a stereo granular synthesis texture using sndwarp
>
> aSigL,aSigR sndwarpst  kamp,ktimewarp,iresample,ifn1,ibeg,\
>
>                               iwsize,irandw,ioverlap,ifn2,itimemode
>
> ; envelope the signal with a lowpass filter
>
> kcf         expseg     50,p3/2,12000,p3/2,50
>
> aSigL       moogvcf2    aSigL, kcf, 0.5
>
> aSigR       moogvcf2    aSigR, kcf, 0.5
>
> ; add a little of our audio signals to the global send variables -
>
> ; - these will be sent to the reverb instrument (2)
>
> gaSendL     =          gaSendL+(aSigL*0.4)
>
> gaSendR     =          gaSendR+(aSigR*0.4)
>
>             outs       aSigL,aSigR
>
>   endin
>
>
>
>   instr 3 ; reverb (always on)
>
> aRvbL,aRvbR reverbsc   gaSendL,gaSendR,0.85,8000
>
>             outs       aRvbL,aRvbR
>
> ;clear variables to prevent out of control accumulation
>
>             clear      gaSendL,gaSendR
>
>   endin
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
> ; p1 p2 p3
>
> i 1  0  3600 ; triggers instr 2
>
> i 3  0  3600 ; reverb instrument
>
> e
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
> 

>
>
> The above is an example of how I want it to work, a slightly modified
> version of selfmade grain. It is polyphonic by default as the "notes"
> overlap due to schedwhen triggering instrument 2.
>
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> ; Select audio/midi flags here according to platform
>
> ; Audio out
>
> -odac           ;;;RT audio
>
> ; For Non-realtime ouput leave only the line below:
>
> ; -o partikkel.wav -W ;;; for file output any platform
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
>
> sr = 44100
>
> ksmps = 20
>
> nchnls = 2
>
>
>
> ; Example by Joachim Heintz and Oeyvind Brandtsegg 2008
>
>
>
> giCosine    ftgen    0, 0, 8193, 9, 1, 1, 90        ; cosine
>
> giDisttab    ftgen    0, 0, 32768, 7, 0, 32768, 1    ; for kdistribution
>
> giFile        ftgen    0, 0, 0, 1, "FOLO.wav", 0, 0, 0    ; soundfile for
> source waveform
>
> giWin        ftgen    0, 0, 4096, 20, 9, 1        ; grain envelope
>
> giPan        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -21, 1        ; for panning (random
> values between 0 and 1)
>
>
>
>
>
> ; *************************************************
>
> ; partikkel example, processing of soundfile
>
> ; uses the file "x.wav"
>
> ; *************************************************
>
>         instr 1
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> kspeed        invalue "speed"            ; 1 = original speed
>
> kgrainrate    invalue "rate"        ; grain rate
>
> kgrainsize  invalue "size"        ; grain size in ms
>
> kcent          invalue "cent"    ; transposition in cent
>
> iposrand     = p8    ; time position randomness (offset) of the pointer in
> ms
>
> kcentrand   invalue "kcent"        ; transposition randomness in cents
>
> ipan            = p10        ; panning narrow (0) to wide (1)
>
> kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution (0=periodic,
> 1=scattered)
>
>
>
> /*get length of source wave file, needed for both transposition and time
> pointer*/
>
> ifilen            tableng    giFile
>
> ifildur            = ifilen / sr
>
>
>
> /*sync input (disabled)*/
>
> async            = 0
>
>
>
> /*grain envelope*/
>
> kenv2amt        = 1        ; use only secondary envelope
>
> ienv2tab         = giWin        ; grain (secondary) envelope
>
> ienv_attack        = -1         ; default attack envelope (flat)
>
> ienv_decay        = -1         ; default decay envelope (flat)
>
> ksustain_amount        = 0.5        ; no meaning in this case (use only
> secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>
> ka_d_ratio        = 0.5         ; no meaning in this case (use only
> secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>
>
>
> /*amplitude*/
>
> kamp            = 0.4*0dbfs    ; grain amplitude
>
> igainmasks        = -1        ; (default) no gain masking
>
>
>
> /*transposition*/
>
>     ; random transposition
>
> iorig            = 1 / ifildur    ; original pitch
>
> kwavfreq        = iorig * (kcent + kcentrand)
>
>
>
> /*other pitch related (disabled)*/
>
> ksweepshape        = 0        ; no frequency sweep
>
> iwavfreqstarttab     = -1        ; default frequency sweep start
>
> iwavfreqendtab        = -1        ; default frequency sweep end
>
> awavfm            = 0        ; no FM input
>
> ifmamptab        = -1        ; default FM scaling (=1)
>
> kfmenv            = -1        ; default FM envelope (flat)
>
>
>
> /*trainlet related (disabled)*/
>
> icosine            = giCosine    ; cosine ftable
>
> kTrainCps        = kgrainrate    ; set trainlet cps equal to grain rate for
> single-cycle trainlet in each grain
>
> knumpartials        = 1        ; number of partials in trainlet
>
> kchroma            = 1        ; balance of partials in trainlet
>
>
>
> /*panning, using channel masks*/
>
> imid            = .5; center
>
> ileftmost        = imid - ipan/2
>
> irightmost        = imid + ipan/2
>
> giPanthis        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -24, giPan, ileftmost, irightmost
> ; rescales giPan according to ipan
>
>             tableiw        0, 0, giPanthis                ; change index 0
> ...
>
>             tableiw        32766, 1, giPanthis            ; ... and 1 for
> ichannelmasks
>
> ichannelmasks        = giPanthis        ; ftable for panning
>
>
>
> /*random gain masking (disabled)*/
>
> krandommask        = 0
>
>
>
> /*source waveforms*/
>
> kwaveform1        = giFile    ; source waveform
>
> kwaveform2        = giFile    ; all 4 sources are the same
>
> kwaveform3        = giFile
>
> kwaveform4        = giFile
>
> iwaveamptab        = -1        ; (default) equal mix of source waveforms and
> no amplitude for trainlets
>
>
>
> /*time pointer*/
>
> afilposphas        phasor kspeed / ifildur
>
> /*generate random deviation of the time pointer*/
>
> iposrandsec = iposrand / 2400;
>
> iposrand    = iposrandsec / ifildur
>
> krndpos     linrand iposrand ;random offset in phase value
>
> /*add random deviation to the time pointer*/
>
> asamplepos1        = afilposphas + krndpos; resulting phase values (0-1)
>
> asamplepos2        = asamplepos1
>
> asamplepos3        = asamplepos1
>
> asamplepos4        = asamplepos1
>
>
>
> /*original key for each source waveform*/
>
> kwavekey1        = 1
>
> kwavekey2        = kwavekey1
>
> kwavekey3        = kwavekey1
>
> kwavekey4        = kwavekey1
>
>
>
> /* maximum number of grains per k-period*/
>
> imax_grains        = 20
>
>
>
> aL, aR        partikkel kgrainrate,kdist , giDisttab, async, kenv2amt,
> ienv2tab, \
>
>         ienv_attack, ienv_decay, ksustain_amount, ka_d_ratio, kgrainsize,
> kamp, igainmasks, \
>
>         kwavfreq, ksweepshape, iwavfreqstarttab, iwavfreqendtab, awavfm, \
>
>         ifmamptab, kfmenv, icosine, kTrainCps, knumpartials, \
>
>         kchroma, ichannelmasks, krandommask, kwaveform1, kwaveform2,
> kwaveform3, kwaveform4, \
>
>         iwaveamptab, asamplepos1, asamplepos2, asamplepos3, asamplepos4, \
>
>         kwavekey1, kwavekey2, kwavekey3, kwavekey4, imax_grains
>
>
>
>         outs            aL, aR
>
>
>
> endin
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
> 
>
> ;i1    st    dur    speed    grate    gsize    cent    posrnd    cntrnd
> pan    dist
>
> i1    0    11028    0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>
>
> 
>
>
> The above is a modified example of partikkel that does not do what I want to
> to do as by default it seems to be monophonic, as you can only play one
> "note" at a time.
>
> I want to know how to make this polyphonic WITHOUT using schedwhen, if that
> is possible.
>
> My apologies as I really didn´t know how to make these examples any simpler.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 15 September 2016 at 15:28, T Lopez  wrote:
>>
>> Ok good idea thx, will post later after work;-)
>>
>> On 15 Sep 2016 15:18, "Oeyvind Brandtsegg"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi. Do you have an example csd of what you want to do?
>>> And also one that shows how it does not work like you want with the
>>> granular opcodes?
>>> As simple examples as possible, makes it easy to help.
>>> Best
>>> Oeyvind
>>>
>>>
>>> 15. sep. 2016 06.00 skrev "T Lopez" :
>>>>
>>>> Ok..what I mean is, all of the granular opcode examples are monophonic,
>>>> as they only play one "note" at a time
>>>>
>>>> Selfmade grain's use of sndwarp is polyphonic as the "notes" are
>>>> triggered every 12.5 seconds and overlap..forming a brief 'chord'
>>>>
>>>> This is due to schedwhen triggering sndwarp..
>>>>
>>>> I wanted to know if it was possible to use the opcodes
>>>> polyphonically(did I spell that right??) as in the above example WITHOUT
>>>> using schedwhen to trigger the opcode..
>>>>
>>>> I hope that's clear...I should have probably phrased it that way in the
>>>> original post.
>>>>
>>>> On 15 Sep 2016 14:38, "Victor Lazzarini" 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not quite sure what exactly you want to do, but you can have overlapped
>>>>> streams
>>>>> with any of these opcodes, fog included.
>>>>> ========================
>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>>>>> Maynooth University,
>>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>>>
>>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016, at 13:12, T Lopez  wrote:
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Okkk, makes sense...will do.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > One last question then...or maybe I should do the same as with
>>>>> > partikkel..
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Would you happen to know how one could achieve this with fog?
>>>>> >
>>>>> > Thanks so much for your swift responses.
>>>>> >
>>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016 14:00, "Victor Lazzarini" 
>>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> > With Partikkel you should be able to do everything you want in terms
>>>>> > of granular synthesis,
>>>>> > overlapping streams should not be a problem. Maybe you should ask a
>>>>> > specific question on
>>>>> > Partikkel, and I am sure there would be people here with expertise to
>>>>> > help you.
>>>>> > ========================
>>>>> > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>>>>> > Maynooth University,
>>>>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>>> >
>>>>> > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:52, T Lopez  wrote:
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Thanks so much for your response, I should have been more
>>>>> > > specific...
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > I am using partikkel currently....the point is, I don´t know how to
>>>>> > > get the streams to overlap as in selfmade grain without using schedwhen in
>>>>> > > another instrument..
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > or is that the only way?
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > On 15 September 2016 at 13:50, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> > >  wrote:
>>>>> > > yes, you can use an opcode like syncgrain/syncloop or partikkel.
>>>>> > > There are others too,
>>>>> > > take a look at Iain McCurdy’s granular synthesis examples.
>>>>> > > ========================
>>>>> > > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> > > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>>>>> > > Maynooth University,
>>>>> > > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>>> > > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>>> > > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:40, T Lopez  wrote:
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > Hi all!! I really like how selfmade grain overlaps audio
>>>>> > > > streams...
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > I would like to do something similar with the other granular
>>>>> > > > opcodes for an installation I'm coding in pure data.
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > My question is: Is there another way to overlap streams without
>>>>> > > > using schedwhen?
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > Besides using multiple instances I mean..
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > I hope my question is clear, if not, please ask for
>>>>> > > > clarification.
>>>>> > > >
>>>>> > > > Thank you.
>>>>> > > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> > > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>>>> > > > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
>>>>> > > > be posted here
>>>>> > >
>>>>> > > Csound mailing list
>>>>> > > Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>>>> > > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND
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Hi! Well, I made the adjustments in qt, however, the code is being run in pure data...I'm controlling the kvariables "live"

Thanks for that; could you describe then what settings you are using
in the PD patch?  (or share the patch?) Also, could you record the
results as audio between what is expected and what you are getting?
It's hard to diagnose without knowing what parameters are being used
but hearing it might explain it easily.

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:10 AM, T Lopez  wrote:
> Hi! Well, I made the adjustments in qt, however, the code is being run in
> pure data...I'm controlling the kvariables "live"
>
> On 20 Sep 2016 14:57, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>
>> I am curious, are you using the partikkel example within CsoundQT? The
>> code has:
>>
>> kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution (0=periodic,
>> 1=scattered)
>>
>> which, if I remember correctly, invalue defaults to 0, which would set
>> partikkel to use a periodic distribution.  If you're not using
>> CsoundQT, then I would check all of the lines using invalue and
>> perhaps set it to a value manually.
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:02 AM, T Lopez  wrote:
>> > A little bit delayed but here it goes......
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > --env:SSDIR+=../SourceMaterials -odac
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > ;example written by Iain McCurdy
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > sr = 44100
>> >
>> > ksmps = 32
>> >
>> > nchnls = 2
>> >
>> > 0dbfs = 1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ; the name of the sound file used is defined as a string variable -
>> >
>> > ; - as it will be used twice in the code.
>> >
>> > ; This simplifies adapting the orchestra to use a different sound file
>> >
>> > gSfile = "folo.wav"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ; waveform used for granulation
>> >
>> > giSound  ftgen 1,0,2097152,1,gSfile,0,0,0
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ; window function - used as an amplitude envelope for each grain
>> >
>> > giWFn   ftgen 2,0,16384,9,0.5,1,0
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > seed 0 ; seed the random generators from the system clock
>> >
>> > gaSendL init 0  ; initialize global audio variables
>> >
>> > gaSendR init 0
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > instr 1 ; triggers instrument 2
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ktrigger  metro .08
>> >
>> > schedkwhen ktrigger,1,40,2,0,40
>> >
>> > endin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   instr 2 ; generates granular synthesis textures
>> >
>> > ;define the input variables
>> >
>> > ifn1        =          giSound
>> >
>> > ilen        =          nsamp(ifn1)/sr
>> >
>> > iPtrStart   random     1,ilen-1
>> >
>> > iPtrTrav    random     -1,1
>> >
>> > ktimewarp   line       iPtrStart,p3,iPtrStart+iPtrTrav
>> >
>> > kamp        linseg     0,p3/2,0.2,p3/2,0
>> >
>> > iresample   invalue "pitch"
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ifn2        =          giWFn
>> >
>> > ibeg        =          0
>> >
>> > iwsize      invalue "size"
>> >
>> > irandw      =          iwsize/3
>> >
>> > ioverlap    =          50
>> >
>> > itimemode   =          1
>> >
>> > ; create a stereo granular synthesis texture using sndwarp
>> >
>> > aSigL,aSigR sndwarpst  kamp,ktimewarp,iresample,ifn1,ibeg,\
>> >
>> >                               iwsize,irandw,ioverlap,ifn2,itimemode
>> >
>> > ; envelope the signal with a lowpass filter
>> >
>> > kcf         expseg     50,p3/2,12000,p3/2,50
>> >
>> > aSigL       moogvcf2    aSigL, kcf, 0.5
>> >
>> > aSigR       moogvcf2    aSigR, kcf, 0.5
>> >
>> > ; add a little of our audio signals to the global send variables -
>> >
>> > ; - these will be sent to the reverb instrument (2)
>> >
>> > gaSendL     =          gaSendL+(aSigL*0.4)
>> >
>> > gaSendR     =          gaSendR+(aSigR*0.4)
>> >
>> >             outs       aSigL,aSigR
>> >
>> >   endin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >   instr 3 ; reverb (always on)
>> >
>> > aRvbL,aRvbR reverbsc   gaSendL,gaSendR,0.85,8000
>> >
>> >             outs       aRvbL,aRvbR
>> >
>> > ;clear variables to prevent out of control accumulation
>> >
>> >             clear      gaSendL,gaSendR
>> >
>> >   endin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > ; p1 p2 p3
>> >
>> > i 1  0  3600 ; triggers instr 2
>> >
>> > i 3  0  3600 ; reverb instrument
>> >
>> > e
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > 

>> >
>> >
>> > The above is an example of how I want it to work, a slightly modified
>> > version of selfmade grain. It is polyphonic by default as the "notes"
>> > overlap due to schedwhen triggering instrument 2.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > ; Select audio/midi flags here according to platform
>> >
>> > ; Audio out
>> >
>> > -odac           ;;;RT audio
>> >
>> > ; For Non-realtime ouput leave only the line below:
>> >
>> > ; -o partikkel.wav -W ;;; for file output any platform
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > sr = 44100
>> >
>> > ksmps = 20
>> >
>> > nchnls = 2
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ; Example by Joachim Heintz and Oeyvind Brandtsegg 2008
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > giCosine    ftgen    0, 0, 8193, 9, 1, 1, 90        ; cosine
>> >
>> > giDisttab    ftgen    0, 0, 32768, 7, 0, 32768, 1    ; for kdistribution
>> >
>> > giFile        ftgen    0, 0, 0, 1, "FOLO.wav", 0, 0, 0    ; soundfile
>> > for
>> > source waveform
>> >
>> > giWin        ftgen    0, 0, 4096, 20, 9, 1        ; grain envelope
>> >
>> > giPan        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -21, 1        ; for panning (random
>> > values between 0 and 1)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ; *************************************************
>> >
>> > ; partikkel example, processing of soundfile
>> >
>> > ; uses the file "x.wav"
>> >
>> > ; *************************************************
>> >
>> >         instr 1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > kspeed        invalue "speed"            ; 1 = original speed
>> >
>> > kgrainrate    invalue "rate"        ; grain rate
>> >
>> > kgrainsize  invalue "size"        ; grain size in ms
>> >
>> > kcent          invalue "cent"    ; transposition in cent
>> >
>> > iposrand     = p8    ; time position randomness (offset) of the pointer
>> > in
>> > ms
>> >
>> > kcentrand   invalue "kcent"        ; transposition randomness in cents
>> >
>> > ipan            = p10        ; panning narrow (0) to wide (1)
>> >
>> > kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution (0=periodic,
>> > 1=scattered)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*get length of source wave file, needed for both transposition and time
>> > pointer*/
>> >
>> > ifilen            tableng    giFile
>> >
>> > ifildur            = ifilen / sr
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*sync input (disabled)*/
>> >
>> > async            = 0
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*grain envelope*/
>> >
>> > kenv2amt        = 1        ; use only secondary envelope
>> >
>> > ienv2tab         = giWin        ; grain (secondary) envelope
>> >
>> > ienv_attack        = -1         ; default attack envelope (flat)
>> >
>> > ienv_decay        = -1         ; default decay envelope (flat)
>> >
>> > ksustain_amount        = 0.5        ; no meaning in this case (use only
>> > secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>> >
>> > ka_d_ratio        = 0.5         ; no meaning in this case (use only
>> > secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*amplitude*/
>> >
>> > kamp            = 0.4*0dbfs    ; grain amplitude
>> >
>> > igainmasks        = -1        ; (default) no gain masking
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*transposition*/
>> >
>> >     ; random transposition
>> >
>> > iorig            = 1 / ifildur    ; original pitch
>> >
>> > kwavfreq        = iorig * (kcent + kcentrand)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*other pitch related (disabled)*/
>> >
>> > ksweepshape        = 0        ; no frequency sweep
>> >
>> > iwavfreqstarttab     = -1        ; default frequency sweep start
>> >
>> > iwavfreqendtab        = -1        ; default frequency sweep end
>> >
>> > awavfm            = 0        ; no FM input
>> >
>> > ifmamptab        = -1        ; default FM scaling (=1)
>> >
>> > kfmenv            = -1        ; default FM envelope (flat)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*trainlet related (disabled)*/
>> >
>> > icosine            = giCosine    ; cosine ftable
>> >
>> > kTrainCps        = kgrainrate    ; set trainlet cps equal to grain rate
>> > for
>> > single-cycle trainlet in each grain
>> >
>> > knumpartials        = 1        ; number of partials in trainlet
>> >
>> > kchroma            = 1        ; balance of partials in trainlet
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*panning, using channel masks*/
>> >
>> > imid            = .5; center
>> >
>> > ileftmost        = imid - ipan/2
>> >
>> > irightmost        = imid + ipan/2
>> >
>> > giPanthis        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -24, giPan, ileftmost, irightmost
>> > ; rescales giPan according to ipan
>> >
>> >             tableiw        0, 0, giPanthis                ; change index
>> > 0
>> > ...
>> >
>> >             tableiw        32766, 1, giPanthis            ; ... and 1
>> > for
>> > ichannelmasks
>> >
>> > ichannelmasks        = giPanthis        ; ftable for panning
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*random gain masking (disabled)*/
>> >
>> > krandommask        = 0
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*source waveforms*/
>> >
>> > kwaveform1        = giFile    ; source waveform
>> >
>> > kwaveform2        = giFile    ; all 4 sources are the same
>> >
>> > kwaveform3        = giFile
>> >
>> > kwaveform4        = giFile
>> >
>> > iwaveamptab        = -1        ; (default) equal mix of source waveforms
>> > and
>> > no amplitude for trainlets
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*time pointer*/
>> >
>> > afilposphas        phasor kspeed / ifildur
>> >
>> > /*generate random deviation of the time pointer*/
>> >
>> > iposrandsec = iposrand / 2400;
>> >
>> > iposrand    = iposrandsec / ifildur
>> >
>> > krndpos     linrand iposrand ;random offset in phase value
>> >
>> > /*add random deviation to the time pointer*/
>> >
>> > asamplepos1        = afilposphas + krndpos; resulting phase values (0-1)
>> >
>> > asamplepos2        = asamplepos1
>> >
>> > asamplepos3        = asamplepos1
>> >
>> > asamplepos4        = asamplepos1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /*original key for each source waveform*/
>> >
>> > kwavekey1        = 1
>> >
>> > kwavekey2        = kwavekey1
>> >
>> > kwavekey3        = kwavekey1
>> >
>> > kwavekey4        = kwavekey1
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > /* maximum number of grains per k-period*/
>> >
>> > imax_grains        = 20
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > aL, aR        partikkel kgrainrate,kdist , giDisttab, async, kenv2amt,
>> > ienv2tab, \
>> >
>> >         ienv_attack, ienv_decay, ksustain_amount, ka_d_ratio,
>> > kgrainsize,
>> > kamp, igainmasks, \
>> >
>> >         kwavfreq, ksweepshape, iwavfreqstarttab, iwavfreqendtab, awavfm,
>> > \
>> >
>> >         ifmamptab, kfmenv, icosine, kTrainCps, knumpartials, \
>> >
>> >         kchroma, ichannelmasks, krandommask, kwaveform1, kwaveform2,
>> > kwaveform3, kwaveform4, \
>> >
>> >         iwaveamptab, asamplepos1, asamplepos2, asamplepos3, asamplepos4,
>> > \
>> >
>> >         kwavekey1, kwavekey2, kwavekey3, kwavekey4, imax_grains
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >         outs            aL, aR
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > endin
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> > ;i1    st    dur    speed    grate    gsize    cent    posrnd    cntrnd
>> > pan    dist
>> >
>> > i1    0    11028    0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 
>> >
>> >
>> > The above is a modified example of partikkel that does not do what I
>> > want to
>> > to do as by default it seems to be monophonic, as you can only play one
>> > "note" at a time.
>> >
>> > I want to know how to make this polyphonic WITHOUT using schedwhen, if
>> > that
>> > is possible.
>> >
>> > My apologies as I really didn´t know how to make these examples any
>> > simpler.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 15 September 2016 at 15:28, T Lopez  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Ok good idea thx, will post later after work;-)
>> >>
>> >> On 15 Sep 2016 15:18, "Oeyvind Brandtsegg"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi. Do you have an example csd of what you want to do?
>> >>> And also one that shows how it does not work like you want with the
>> >>> granular opcodes?
>> >>> As simple examples as possible, makes it easy to help.
>> >>> Best
>> >>> Oeyvind
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> 15. sep. 2016 06.00 skrev "T Lopez" :
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ok..what I mean is, all of the granular opcode examples are
>> >>>> monophonic,
>> >>>> as they only play one "note" at a time
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Selfmade grain's use of sndwarp is polyphonic as the "notes" are
>> >>>> triggered every 12.5 seconds and overlap..forming a brief 'chord'
>> >>>>
>> >>>> This is due to schedwhen triggering sndwarp..
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I wanted to know if it was possible to use the opcodes
>> >>>> polyphonically(did I spell that right??) as in the above example
>> >>>> WITHOUT
>> >>>> using schedwhen to trigger the opcode..
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I hope that's clear...I should have probably phrased it that way in
>> >>>> the
>> >>>> original post.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 15 Sep 2016 14:38, "Victor Lazzarini" 
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Not quite sure what exactly you want to do, but you can have
>> >>>>> overlapped
>> >>>>> streams
>> >>>>> with any of these opcodes, fog included.
>> >>>>> ========================
>> >>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>> >>>>> Maynooth University,
>> >>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016, at 13:12, T Lopez  wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Okkk, makes sense...will do.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > One last question then...or maybe I should do the same as with
>> >>>>> > partikkel..
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Would you happen to know how one could achieve this with fog?
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > Thanks so much for your swift responses.
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016 14:00, "Victor Lazzarini"
>> >>>>> > 
>> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>>> > With Partikkel you should be able to do everything you want in
>> >>>>> > terms
>> >>>>> > of granular synthesis,
>> >>>>> > overlapping streams should not be a problem. Maybe you should ask
>> >>>>> > a
>> >>>>> > specific question on
>> >>>>> > Partikkel, and I am sure there would be people here with expertise
>> >>>>> > to
>> >>>>> > help you.
>> >>>>> > ========================
>> >>>>> > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>> >>>>> > Maynooth University,
>> >>>>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >>>>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >>>>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:52, T Lopez  wrote:
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > Thanks so much for your response, I should have been more
>> >>>>> > > specific...
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > I am using partikkel currently....the point is, I don´t know how
>> >>>>> > > to
>> >>>>> > > get the streams to overlap as in selfmade grain without using
>> >>>>> > > schedwhen in
>> >>>>> > > another instrument..
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > or is that the only way?
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > On 15 September 2016 at 13:50, Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>>> > >  wrote:
>> >>>>> > > yes, you can use an opcode like syncgrain/syncloop or partikkel.
>> >>>>> > > There are others too,
>> >>>>> > > take a look at Iain McCurdy’s granular synthesis examples.
>> >>>>> > > ========================
>> >>>>> > > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>>> > > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>> >>>>> > > Maynooth University,
>> >>>>> > > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >>>>> > > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >>>>> > > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >>>>> > >
>> >>>>> > > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:40, T Lopez  wrote:
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > Hi all!! I really like how selfmade grain overlaps audio
>> >>>>> > > > streams...
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > I would like to do something similar with the other granular
>> >>>>> > > > opcodes for an installation I'm coding in pure data.
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > My question is: Is there another way to overlap streams
>> >>>>> > > > without
>> >>>>> > > > using schedwhen?
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > Besides using multiple instances I mean..
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > I hope my question is clear, if not, please ask for
>> >>>>> > > > clarification.
>> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>>> > > > Thank you.
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The patch is EXTREMELY complex as it's not just audio...

I will record the results of both csds using the same .wav so you can hear the difference when I get home...thanks for your interest.

Using the csds in pd or qt is irrelevant as the results are the same in both...I am beginning to think what I want to do is impossible without schedwhen or multiple instances(polyphony).

Yes,  that should take care if the recording.  But it is even better if you can just replace the invalues with simple values (=), then anyone can run the csd and even modify it and send you back a new  version.

As a sidenote, I went through the manual examples for partikkel and
they all seemed to take approaches where grains did not overlap.

Oeyvind: would you happen to have example that does demonstrate
overlapping grains?  I think it would be very nice to have it within
the examples.

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg  wrote:
> Yes,  that should take care if the recording.  But it is even better if you
> can just replace the invalues with simple values (=), then anyone can run
> the csd and even modify it and send you back a new  version.
>
>
> 24. sep. 2016 05.17 skrev "Iain McCurdy" :
>>
>> Try using 'monitor' and 'fout' in a separate, always-on instrument.
>>
>> I.
>>
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: A discussion list for users of Csound  on
>> behalf of T Lopez 
>> Sent: 24 September 2016 11:16
>> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Self Made Grain/Overlapping streams
>>
>>
>> Well, I've been trying to record to no avail..
>>
>> First, I tried the menu record option in CsoundQT(0.91) only to see "this
>> version was not built with recording support"
>>
>> Then I tried putting
>>
>> 
>> 
>> ; audio output destination is given as a sound file (wav format specified)
>> ; this method is for deferred time performance,
>> ; simultaneous real-time audio will not be possible
>> -oWriteToDisk1.wav -W
>> 
>>
>> to no avail....real time audio should not be possible with this code, and
>> I still heard it anyways.....in addition, there was no error message in the
>> console.
>>
>>
>> On 20 Sep 2016 16:18, "T Lopez"  wrote:
>>>
>>> The patch is EXTREMELY complex as it's not just audio...
>>>
>>> I will record the results of both csds using the same .wav so you can
>>> hear the difference when I get home...thanks for your interest.
>>>
>>> Using the csds in pd or qt is irrelevant as the results are the same in
>>> both...I am beginning to think what I want to do is impossible without
>>> schedwhen or multiple instances(polyphony).
>>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2016 3:36 PM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for that; could you describe then what settings you are using
>>>> in the PD patch?  (or share the patch?) Also, could you record the
>>>> results as audio between what is expected and what you are getting?
>>>> It's hard to diagnose without knowing what parameters are being used
>>>> but hearing it might explain it easily.
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:10 AM, T Lopez  wrote:
>>>> > Hi! Well, I made the adjustments in qt, however, the code is being run
>>>> > in
>>>> > pure data...I'm controlling the kvariables "live"
>>>> >
>>>> > On 20 Sep 2016 14:57, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I am curious, are you using the partikkel example within CsoundQT?
>>>> >> The
>>>> >> code has:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution (0=periodic,
>>>> >> 1=scattered)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> which, if I remember correctly, invalue defaults to 0, which would
>>>> >> set
>>>> >> partikkel to use a periodic distribution.  If you're not using
>>>> >> CsoundQT, then I would check all of the lines using invalue and
>>>> >> perhaps set it to a value manually.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:02 AM, T Lopez  wrote:
>>>> >> > A little bit delayed but here it goes......
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --env:SSDIR+=../SourceMaterials -odac
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ;example written by Iain McCurdy
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > sr = 44100
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ksmps = 32
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > nchnls = 2
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 0dbfs = 1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; the name of the sound file used is defined as a string variable -
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; - as it will be used twice in the code.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; This simplifies adapting the orchestra to use a different sound
>>>> >> > file
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > gSfile = "folo.wav"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; waveform used for granulation
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giSound  ftgen 1,0,2097152,1,gSfile,0,0,0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; window function - used as an amplitude envelope for each grain
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giWFn   ftgen 2,0,16384,9,0.5,1,0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > seed 0 ; seed the random generators from the system clock
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > gaSendL init 0  ; initialize global audio variables
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > gaSendR init 0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > instr 1 ; triggers instrument 2
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ktrigger  metro .08
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > schedkwhen ktrigger,1,40,2,0,40
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > endin
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >   instr 2 ; generates granular synthesis textures
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ;define the input variables
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ifn1        =          giSound
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ilen        =          nsamp(ifn1)/sr
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iPtrStart   random     1,ilen-1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iPtrTrav    random     -1,1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ktimewarp   line       iPtrStart,p3,iPtrStart+iPtrTrav
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kamp        linseg     0,p3/2,0.2,p3/2,0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iresample   invalue "pitch"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ifn2        =          giWFn
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ibeg        =          0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iwsize      invalue "size"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > irandw      =          iwsize/3
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ioverlap    =          50
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > itimemode   =          1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; create a stereo granular synthesis texture using sndwarp
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > aSigL,aSigR sndwarpst  kamp,ktimewarp,iresample,ifn1,ibeg,\
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >                               iwsize,irandw,ioverlap,ifn2,itimemode
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; envelope the signal with a lowpass filter
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kcf         expseg     50,p3/2,12000,p3/2,50
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > aSigL       moogvcf2    aSigL, kcf, 0.5
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > aSigR       moogvcf2    aSigR, kcf, 0.5
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; add a little of our audio signals to the global send variables -
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; - these will be sent to the reverb instrument (2)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > gaSendL     =          gaSendL+(aSigL*0.4)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > gaSendR     =          gaSendR+(aSigR*0.4)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >             outs       aSigL,aSigR
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >   endin
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >   instr 3 ; reverb (always on)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > aRvbL,aRvbR reverbsc   gaSendL,gaSendR,0.85,8000
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >             outs       aRvbL,aRvbR
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ;clear variables to prevent out of control accumulation
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >             clear      gaSendL,gaSendR
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >   endin
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; p1 p2 p3
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > i 1  0  3600 ; triggers instr 2
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > i 3  0  3600 ; reverb instrument
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > e
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 

>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The above is an example of how I want it to work, a slightly
>>>> >> > modified
>>>> >> > version of selfmade grain. It is polyphonic by default as the
>>>> >> > "notes"
>>>> >> > overlap due to schedwhen triggering instrument 2.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; Select audio/midi flags here according to platform
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; Audio out
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > -odac           ;;;RT audio
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; For Non-realtime ouput leave only the line below:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; -o partikkel.wav -W ;;; for file output any platform
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > sr = 44100
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ksmps = 20
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > nchnls = 2
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; Example by Joachim Heintz and Oeyvind Brandtsegg 2008
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giCosine    ftgen    0, 0, 8193, 9, 1, 1, 90        ; cosine
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giDisttab    ftgen    0, 0, 32768, 7, 0, 32768, 1    ; for
>>>> >> > kdistribution
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giFile        ftgen    0, 0, 0, 1, "FOLO.wav", 0, 0, 0    ;
>>>> >> > soundfile
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > source waveform
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giWin        ftgen    0, 0, 4096, 20, 9, 1        ; grain envelope
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giPan        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -21, 1        ; for panning
>>>> >> > (random
>>>> >> > values between 0 and 1)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; *************************************************
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; partikkel example, processing of soundfile
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; uses the file "x.wav"
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ; *************************************************
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         instr 1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kspeed        invalue "speed"            ; 1 = original speed
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kgrainrate    invalue "rate"        ; grain rate
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kgrainsize  invalue "size"        ; grain size in ms
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kcent          invalue "cent"    ; transposition in cent
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iposrand     = p8    ; time position randomness (offset) of the
>>>> >> > pointer
>>>> >> > in
>>>> >> > ms
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kcentrand   invalue "kcent"        ; transposition randomness in
>>>> >> > cents
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ipan            = p10        ; panning narrow (0) to wide (1)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution
>>>> >> > (0=periodic,
>>>> >> > 1=scattered)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*get length of source wave file, needed for both transposition and
>>>> >> > time
>>>> >> > pointer*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ifilen            tableng    giFile
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ifildur            = ifilen / sr
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*sync input (disabled)*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > async            = 0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*grain envelope*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kenv2amt        = 1        ; use only secondary envelope
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ienv2tab         = giWin        ; grain (secondary) envelope
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ienv_attack        = -1         ; default attack envelope (flat)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ienv_decay        = -1         ; default decay envelope (flat)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ksustain_amount        = 0.5        ; no meaning in this case (use
>>>> >> > only
>>>> >> > secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ka_d_ratio        = 0.5         ; no meaning in this case (use only
>>>> >> > secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*amplitude*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kamp            = 0.4*0dbfs    ; grain amplitude
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > igainmasks        = -1        ; (default) no gain masking
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*transposition*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >     ; random transposition
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iorig            = 1 / ifildur    ; original pitch
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwavfreq        = iorig * (kcent + kcentrand)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*other pitch related (disabled)*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ksweepshape        = 0        ; no frequency sweep
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iwavfreqstarttab     = -1        ; default frequency sweep start
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iwavfreqendtab        = -1        ; default frequency sweep end
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > awavfm            = 0        ; no FM input
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ifmamptab        = -1        ; default FM scaling (=1)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kfmenv            = -1        ; default FM envelope (flat)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*trainlet related (disabled)*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > icosine            = giCosine    ; cosine ftable
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kTrainCps        = kgrainrate    ; set trainlet cps equal to grain
>>>> >> > rate
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > single-cycle trainlet in each grain
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > knumpartials        = 1        ; number of partials in trainlet
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kchroma            = 1        ; balance of partials in trainlet
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*panning, using channel masks*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > imid            = .5; center
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ileftmost        = imid - ipan/2
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > irightmost        = imid + ipan/2
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > giPanthis        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -24, giPan, ileftmost,
>>>> >> > irightmost
>>>> >> > ; rescales giPan according to ipan
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >             tableiw        0, 0, giPanthis                ; change
>>>> >> > index
>>>> >> > 0
>>>> >> > ...
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >             tableiw        32766, 1, giPanthis            ; ... and
>>>> >> > 1
>>>> >> > for
>>>> >> > ichannelmasks
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ichannelmasks        = giPanthis        ; ftable for panning
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*random gain masking (disabled)*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > krandommask        = 0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*source waveforms*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwaveform1        = giFile    ; source waveform
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwaveform2        = giFile    ; all 4 sources are the same
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwaveform3        = giFile
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwaveform4        = giFile
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iwaveamptab        = -1        ; (default) equal mix of source
>>>> >> > waveforms
>>>> >> > and
>>>> >> > no amplitude for trainlets
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*time pointer*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > afilposphas        phasor kspeed / ifildur
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*generate random deviation of the time pointer*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iposrandsec = iposrand / 2400;
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > iposrand    = iposrandsec / ifildur
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > krndpos     linrand iposrand ;random offset in phase value
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*add random deviation to the time pointer*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > asamplepos1        = afilposphas + krndpos; resulting phase values
>>>> >> > (0-1)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > asamplepos2        = asamplepos1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > asamplepos3        = asamplepos1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > asamplepos4        = asamplepos1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /*original key for each source waveform*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwavekey1        = 1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwavekey2        = kwavekey1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwavekey3        = kwavekey1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > kwavekey4        = kwavekey1
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > /* maximum number of grains per k-period*/
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > imax_grains        = 20
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > aL, aR        partikkel kgrainrate,kdist , giDisttab, async,
>>>> >> > kenv2amt,
>>>> >> > ienv2tab, \
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         ienv_attack, ienv_decay, ksustain_amount, ka_d_ratio,
>>>> >> > kgrainsize,
>>>> >> > kamp, igainmasks, \
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         kwavfreq, ksweepshape, iwavfreqstarttab, iwavfreqendtab,
>>>> >> > awavfm,
>>>> >> > \
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         ifmamptab, kfmenv, icosine, kTrainCps, knumpartials, \
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         kchroma, ichannelmasks, krandommask, kwaveform1,
>>>> >> > kwaveform2,
>>>> >> > kwaveform3, kwaveform4, \
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         iwaveamptab, asamplepos1, asamplepos2, asamplepos3,
>>>> >> > asamplepos4,
>>>> >> > \
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         kwavekey1, kwavekey2, kwavekey3, kwavekey4, imax_grains
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >         outs            aL, aR
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > endin
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > ;i1    st    dur    speed    grate    gsize    cent    posrnd
>>>> >> > cntrnd
>>>> >> > pan    dist
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > i1    0    11028    0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > 
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > The above is a modified example of partikkel that does not do what
>>>> >> > I
>>>> >> > want to
>>>> >> > to do as by default it seems to be monophonic, as you can only play
>>>> >> > one
>>>> >> > "note" at a time.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I want to know how to make this polyphonic WITHOUT using schedwhen,
>>>> >> > if
>>>> >> > that
>>>> >> > is possible.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > My apologies as I really didn´t know how to make these examples any
>>>> >> > simpler.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On 15 September 2016 at 15:28, T Lopez  wrote:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Ok good idea thx, will post later after work;-)
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> On 15 Sep 2016 15:18, "Oeyvind Brandtsegg" 
>>>> >> >> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> Hi. Do you have an example csd of what you want to do?
>>>> >> >>> And also one that shows how it does not work like you want with
>>>> >> >>> the
>>>> >> >>> granular opcodes?
>>>> >> >>> As simple examples as possible, makes it easy to help.
>>>> >> >>> Best
>>>> >> >>> Oeyvind
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>>
>>>> >> >>> 15. sep. 2016 06.00 skrev "T Lopez" :
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Ok..what I mean is, all of the granular opcode examples are
>>>> >> >>>> monophonic,
>>>> >> >>>> as they only play one "note" at a time
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> Selfmade grain's use of sndwarp is polyphonic as the "notes" are
>>>> >> >>>> triggered every 12.5 seconds and overlap..forming a brief
>>>> >> >>>> 'chord'
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> This is due to schedwhen triggering sndwarp..
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> I wanted to know if it was possible to use the opcodes
>>>> >> >>>> polyphonically(did I spell that right??) as in the above example
>>>> >> >>>> WITHOUT
>>>> >> >>>> using schedwhen to trigger the opcode..
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> I hope that's clear...I should have probably phrased it that way
>>>> >> >>>> in
>>>> >> >>>> the
>>>> >> >>>> original post.
>>>> >> >>>>
>>>> >> >>>> On 15 Sep 2016 14:38, "Victor Lazzarini"
>>>> >> >>>> 
>>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> Not quite sure what exactly you want to do, but you can have
>>>> >> >>>>> overlapped
>>>> >> >>>>> streams
>>>> >> >>>>> with any of these opcodes, fog included.
>>>> >> >>>>> ========================
>>>> >> >>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> >> >>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>>>> >> >>>>> Maynooth University,
>>>> >> >>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>> >> >>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>> >> >>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>> >> >>>>>
>>>> >> >>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016, at 13:12, T Lopez  wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>> > Okkk, makes sense...will do.
>>>> >> >>>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>> > One last question then...or maybe I should do the same as
>>>> >> >>>>> > with
>>>> >> >>>>> > partikkel..
>>>> >> >>>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>> > Would you happen to know how one could achieve this with fog?
>>>> >> >>>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>> > Thanks so much for your swift responses.
>>>> >> >>>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016 14:00, "Victor Lazzarini"
>>>> >> >>>>> > 
>>>> >> >>>>> > wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>> > With Partikkel you should be able to do everything you want
>>>> >> >>>>> > in
>>>> >> >>>>> > terms
>>>> >> >>>>> > of granular synthesis,
>>>> >> >>>>> > overlapping streams should not be a problem. Maybe you should
>>>> >> >>>>> > ask
>>>> >> >>>>> > a
>>>> >> >>>>> > specific question on
>>>> >> >>>>> > Partikkel, and I am sure there would be people here with
>>>> >> >>>>> > expertise
>>>> >> >>>>> > to
>>>> >> >>>>> > help you.
>>>> >> >>>>> > ========================
>>>> >> >>>>> > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> >> >>>>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>>>> >> >>>>> > Maynooth University,
>>>> >> >>>>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>> >> >>>>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>> >> >>>>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>> >> >>>>> >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:52, T Lopez 
>>>> >> >>>>> > > wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>> > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > Thanks so much for your response, I should have been more
>>>> >> >>>>> > > specific...
>>>> >> >>>>> > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > I am using partikkel currently....the point is, I don´t
>>>> >> >>>>> > > know how
>>>> >> >>>>> > > to
>>>> >> >>>>> > > get the streams to overlap as in selfmade grain without
>>>> >> >>>>> > > using
>>>> >> >>>>> > > schedwhen in
>>>> >> >>>>> > > another instrument..
>>>> >> >>>>> > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > or is that the only way?
>>>> >> >>>>> > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > On 15 September 2016 at 13:50, Victor Lazzarini
>>>> >> >>>>> > >  wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>> > > yes, you can use an opcode like syncgrain/syncloop or
>>>> >> >>>>> > > partikkel.
>>>> >> >>>>> > > There are others too,
>>>> >> >>>>> > > take a look at Iain McCurdy’s granular synthesis examples.
>>>> >> >>>>> > > ========================
>>>> >> >>>>> > > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> >> >>>>> > > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>>>> >> >>>>> > > Maynooth University,
>>>> >> >>>>> > > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>>>> >> >>>>> > > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>>>> >> >>>>> > > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>>>> >> >>>>> > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:40, T Lopez 
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > Hi all!! I really like how selfmade grain overlaps audio
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > streams...
>>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > I would like to do something similar with the other
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > granular
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > opcodes for an installation I'm coding in pure data.
>>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > My question is: Is there another way to overlap streams
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > without
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > using schedwhen?
>>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > Besides using multiple instances I mean..
>>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > I hope my question is clear, if not, please ask for
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > clarification.
>>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > Thank you.
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>>>> >> >>>>> > > > bugs
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > and features can
>>>> >> >>>>> > > > be posted here
>>>> >> >>>>> > >
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Oh. That was an odd coincidence. I'll have to check when I get to my machine. I use them overlapping all the time.  Anything particular (pun intended)  you would want to see in an example? 

Do you use schedwhen for overlapping grains? Or only the partikkel code?

Thank you Ian...will try it out.

Perhaps an example that sweeps the ranges from small to large grains,
and also from synchronous to overlapping?

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg  wrote:
> Oh. That was an odd coincidence. I'll have to check when I get to my
> machine. I use them overlapping all the time.  Anything particular (pun
> intended)  you would want to see in an example?
>
>
> 24. sep. 2016 08.29 skrev "Steven Yi" :
>>
>> As a sidenote, I went through the manual examples for partikkel and
>> they all seemed to take approaches where grains did not overlap.
>>
>> Oeyvind: would you happen to have example that does demonstrate
>> overlapping grains?  I think it would be very nice to have it within
>> the examples.
>>
>> On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 11:20 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg 
>> wrote:
>> > Yes,  that should take care if the recording.  But it is even better if
>> > you
>> > can just replace the invalues with simple values (=), then anyone can
>> > run
>> > the csd and even modify it and send you back a new  version.
>> >
>> >
>> > 24. sep. 2016 05.17 skrev "Iain McCurdy" :
>> >>
>> >> Try using 'monitor' and 'fout' in a separate, always-on instrument.
>> >>
>> >> I.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ________________________________
>> >> From: A discussion list for users of Csound 
>> >> on
>> >> behalf of T Lopez 
>> >> Sent: 24 September 2016 11:16
>> >> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Self Made Grain/Overlapping streams
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Well, I've been trying to record to no avail..
>> >>
>> >> First, I tried the menu record option in CsoundQT(0.91) only to see
>> >> "this
>> >> version was not built with recording support"
>> >>
>> >> Then I tried putting
>> >>
>> >> 
>> >> 
>> >> ; audio output destination is given as a sound file (wav format
>> >> specified)
>> >> ; this method is for deferred time performance,
>> >> ; simultaneous real-time audio will not be possible
>> >> -oWriteToDisk1.wav -W
>> >> 
>> >>
>> >> to no avail....real time audio should not be possible with this code,
>> >> and
>> >> I still heard it anyways.....in addition, there was no error message in
>> >> the
>> >> console.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 20 Sep 2016 16:18, "T Lopez"  wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> The patch is EXTREMELY complex as it's not just audio...
>> >>>
>> >>> I will record the results of both csds using the same .wav so you can
>> >>> hear the difference when I get home...thanks for your interest.
>> >>>
>> >>> Using the csds in pd or qt is irrelevant as the results are the same
>> >>> in
>> >>> both...I am beginning to think what I want to do is impossible without
>> >>> schedwhen or multiple instances(polyphony).
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sep 20, 2016 3:36 PM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Thanks for that; could you describe then what settings you are using
>> >>>> in the PD patch?  (or share the patch?) Also, could you record the
>> >>>> results as audio between what is expected and what you are getting?
>> >>>> It's hard to diagnose without knowing what parameters are being used
>> >>>> but hearing it might explain it easily.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 9:10 AM, T Lopez  wrote:
>> >>>> > Hi! Well, I made the adjustments in qt, however, the code is being
>> >>>> > run
>> >>>> > in
>> >>>> > pure data...I'm controlling the kvariables "live"
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > On 20 Sep 2016 14:57, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> I am curious, are you using the partikkel example within CsoundQT?
>> >>>> >> The
>> >>>> >> code has:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution
>> >>>> >> (0=periodic,
>> >>>> >> 1=scattered)
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> which, if I remember correctly, invalue defaults to 0, which would
>> >>>> >> set
>> >>>> >> partikkel to use a periodic distribution.  If you're not using
>> >>>> >> CsoundQT, then I would check all of the lines using invalue and
>> >>>> >> perhaps set it to a value manually.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >> On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:02 AM, T Lopez 
>> >>>> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> > A little bit delayed but here it goes......
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > --env:SSDIR+=../SourceMaterials -odac
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ;example written by Iain McCurdy
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > sr = 44100
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ksmps = 32
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > nchnls = 2
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 0dbfs = 1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; the name of the sound file used is defined as a string
>> >>>> >> > variable -
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; - as it will be used twice in the code.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; This simplifies adapting the orchestra to use a different
>> >>>> >> > sound
>> >>>> >> > file
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > gSfile = "folo.wav"
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; waveform used for granulation
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giSound  ftgen 1,0,2097152,1,gSfile,0,0,0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; window function - used as an amplitude envelope for each grain
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giWFn   ftgen 2,0,16384,9,0.5,1,0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > seed 0 ; seed the random generators from the system clock
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > gaSendL init 0  ; initialize global audio variables
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > gaSendR init 0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > instr 1 ; triggers instrument 2
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ktrigger  metro .08
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > schedkwhen ktrigger,1,40,2,0,40
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > endin
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >   instr 2 ; generates granular synthesis textures
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ;define the input variables
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ifn1        =          giSound
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ilen        =          nsamp(ifn1)/sr
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iPtrStart   random     1,ilen-1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iPtrTrav    random     -1,1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ktimewarp   line       iPtrStart,p3,iPtrStart+iPtrTrav
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kamp        linseg     0,p3/2,0.2,p3/2,0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iresample   invalue "pitch"
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ifn2        =          giWFn
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ibeg        =          0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iwsize      invalue "size"
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > irandw      =          iwsize/3
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ioverlap    =          50
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > itimemode   =          1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; create a stereo granular synthesis texture using sndwarp
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > aSigL,aSigR sndwarpst  kamp,ktimewarp,iresample,ifn1,ibeg,\
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iwsize,irandw,ioverlap,ifn2,itimemode
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; envelope the signal with a lowpass filter
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kcf         expseg     50,p3/2,12000,p3/2,50
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > aSigL       moogvcf2    aSigL, kcf, 0.5
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > aSigR       moogvcf2    aSigR, kcf, 0.5
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; add a little of our audio signals to the global send variables
>> >>>> >> > -
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; - these will be sent to the reverb instrument (2)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > gaSendL     =          gaSendL+(aSigL*0.4)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > gaSendR     =          gaSendR+(aSigR*0.4)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >             outs       aSigL,aSigR
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >   endin
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >   instr 3 ; reverb (always on)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > aRvbL,aRvbR reverbsc   gaSendL,gaSendR,0.85,8000
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >             outs       aRvbL,aRvbR
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ;clear variables to prevent out of control accumulation
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >             clear      gaSendL,gaSendR
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >   endin
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; p1 p2 p3
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > i 1  0  3600 ; triggers instr 2
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > i 3  0  3600 ; reverb instrument
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > e
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 

>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > The above is an example of how I want it to work, a slightly
>> >>>> >> > modified
>> >>>> >> > version of selfmade grain. It is polyphonic by default as the
>> >>>> >> > "notes"
>> >>>> >> > overlap due to schedwhen triggering instrument 2.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; Select audio/midi flags here according to platform
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; Audio out
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > -odac           ;;;RT audio
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; For Non-realtime ouput leave only the line below:
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; -o partikkel.wav -W ;;; for file output any platform
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > sr = 44100
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ksmps = 20
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > nchnls = 2
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; Example by Joachim Heintz and Oeyvind Brandtsegg 2008
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giCosine    ftgen    0, 0, 8193, 9, 1, 1, 90        ; cosine
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giDisttab    ftgen    0, 0, 32768, 7, 0, 32768, 1    ; for
>> >>>> >> > kdistribution
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giFile        ftgen    0, 0, 0, 1, "FOLO.wav", 0, 0, 0    ;
>> >>>> >> > soundfile
>> >>>> >> > for
>> >>>> >> > source waveform
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giWin        ftgen    0, 0, 4096, 20, 9, 1        ; grain
>> >>>> >> > envelope
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giPan        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -21, 1        ; for panning
>> >>>> >> > (random
>> >>>> >> > values between 0 and 1)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; *************************************************
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; partikkel example, processing of soundfile
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; uses the file "x.wav"
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ; *************************************************
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         instr 1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kspeed        invalue "speed"            ; 1 = original speed
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kgrainrate    invalue "rate"        ; grain rate
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kgrainsize  invalue "size"        ; grain size in ms
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kcent          invalue "cent"    ; transposition in cent
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iposrand     = p8    ; time position randomness (offset) of the
>> >>>> >> > pointer
>> >>>> >> > in
>> >>>> >> > ms
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kcentrand   invalue "kcent"        ; transposition randomness in
>> >>>> >> > cents
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ipan            = p10        ; panning narrow (0) to wide (1)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kdist       invalue "kdist"        ; grain distribution
>> >>>> >> > (0=periodic,
>> >>>> >> > 1=scattered)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*get length of source wave file, needed for both transposition
>> >>>> >> > and
>> >>>> >> > time
>> >>>> >> > pointer*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ifilen            tableng    giFile
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ifildur            = ifilen / sr
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*sync input (disabled)*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > async            = 0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*grain envelope*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kenv2amt        = 1        ; use only secondary envelope
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ienv2tab         = giWin        ; grain (secondary) envelope
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ienv_attack        = -1         ; default attack envelope (flat)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ienv_decay        = -1         ; default decay envelope (flat)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ksustain_amount        = 0.5        ; no meaning in this case
>> >>>> >> > (use
>> >>>> >> > only
>> >>>> >> > secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ka_d_ratio        = 0.5         ; no meaning in this case (use
>> >>>> >> > only
>> >>>> >> > secondary envelope, ienv2tab)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*amplitude*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kamp            = 0.4*0dbfs    ; grain amplitude
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > igainmasks        = -1        ; (default) no gain masking
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*transposition*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >     ; random transposition
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iorig            = 1 / ifildur    ; original pitch
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwavfreq        = iorig * (kcent + kcentrand)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*other pitch related (disabled)*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ksweepshape        = 0        ; no frequency sweep
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iwavfreqstarttab     = -1        ; default frequency sweep start
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iwavfreqendtab        = -1        ; default frequency sweep end
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > awavfm            = 0        ; no FM input
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ifmamptab        = -1        ; default FM scaling (=1)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kfmenv            = -1        ; default FM envelope (flat)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*trainlet related (disabled)*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > icosine            = giCosine    ; cosine ftable
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kTrainCps        = kgrainrate    ; set trainlet cps equal to
>> >>>> >> > grain
>> >>>> >> > rate
>> >>>> >> > for
>> >>>> >> > single-cycle trainlet in each grain
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > knumpartials        = 1        ; number of partials in trainlet
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kchroma            = 1        ; balance of partials in trainlet
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*panning, using channel masks*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > imid            = .5; center
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ileftmost        = imid - ipan/2
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > irightmost        = imid + ipan/2
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > giPanthis        ftgen    0, 0, 32768, -24, giPan, ileftmost,
>> >>>> >> > irightmost
>> >>>> >> > ; rescales giPan according to ipan
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >             tableiw        0, 0, giPanthis                ;
>> >>>> >> > change
>> >>>> >> > index
>> >>>> >> > 0
>> >>>> >> > ...
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >             tableiw        32766, 1, giPanthis            ; ...
>> >>>> >> > and
>> >>>> >> > 1
>> >>>> >> > for
>> >>>> >> > ichannelmasks
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ichannelmasks        = giPanthis        ; ftable for panning
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*random gain masking (disabled)*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > krandommask        = 0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*source waveforms*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwaveform1        = giFile    ; source waveform
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwaveform2        = giFile    ; all 4 sources are the same
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwaveform3        = giFile
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwaveform4        = giFile
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iwaveamptab        = -1        ; (default) equal mix of source
>> >>>> >> > waveforms
>> >>>> >> > and
>> >>>> >> > no amplitude for trainlets
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*time pointer*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > afilposphas        phasor kspeed / ifildur
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*generate random deviation of the time pointer*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iposrandsec = iposrand / 2400;
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > iposrand    = iposrandsec / ifildur
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > krndpos     linrand iposrand ;random offset in phase value
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*add random deviation to the time pointer*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > asamplepos1        = afilposphas + krndpos; resulting phase
>> >>>> >> > values
>> >>>> >> > (0-1)
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > asamplepos2        = asamplepos1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > asamplepos3        = asamplepos1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > asamplepos4        = asamplepos1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /*original key for each source waveform*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwavekey1        = 1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwavekey2        = kwavekey1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwavekey3        = kwavekey1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > kwavekey4        = kwavekey1
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > /* maximum number of grains per k-period*/
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > imax_grains        = 20
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > aL, aR        partikkel kgrainrate,kdist , giDisttab, async,
>> >>>> >> > kenv2amt,
>> >>>> >> > ienv2tab, \
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         ienv_attack, ienv_decay, ksustain_amount, ka_d_ratio,
>> >>>> >> > kgrainsize,
>> >>>> >> > kamp, igainmasks, \
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         kwavfreq, ksweepshape, iwavfreqstarttab, iwavfreqendtab,
>> >>>> >> > awavfm,
>> >>>> >> > \
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         ifmamptab, kfmenv, icosine, kTrainCps, knumpartials, \
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         kchroma, ichannelmasks, krandommask, kwaveform1,
>> >>>> >> > kwaveform2,
>> >>>> >> > kwaveform3, kwaveform4, \
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         iwaveamptab, asamplepos1, asamplepos2, asamplepos3,
>> >>>> >> > asamplepos4,
>> >>>> >> > \
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         kwavekey1, kwavekey2, kwavekey3, kwavekey4, imax_grains
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >         outs            aL, aR
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > endin
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > ;i1    st    dur    speed    grate    gsize    cent    posrnd
>> >>>> >> > cntrnd
>> >>>> >> > pan    dist
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > i1    0    11028    0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > 
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > The above is a modified example of partikkel that does not do
>> >>>> >> > what
>> >>>> >> > I
>> >>>> >> > want to
>> >>>> >> > to do as by default it seems to be monophonic, as you can only
>> >>>> >> > play
>> >>>> >> > one
>> >>>> >> > "note" at a time.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > I want to know how to make this polyphonic WITHOUT using
>> >>>> >> > schedwhen,
>> >>>> >> > if
>> >>>> >> > that
>> >>>> >> > is possible.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > My apologies as I really didn´t know how to make these examples
>> >>>> >> > any
>> >>>> >> > simpler.
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> >
>> >>>> >> > On 15 September 2016 at 15:28, T Lopez 
>> >>>> >> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> Ok good idea thx, will post later after work;-)
>> >>>> >> >>
>> >>>> >> >> On 15 Sep 2016 15:18, "Oeyvind Brandtsegg" 
>> >>>> >> >> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> Hi. Do you have an example csd of what you want to do?
>> >>>> >> >>> And also one that shows how it does not work like you want
>> >>>> >> >>> with
>> >>>> >> >>> the
>> >>>> >> >>> granular opcodes?
>> >>>> >> >>> As simple examples as possible, makes it easy to help.
>> >>>> >> >>> Best
>> >>>> >> >>> Oeyvind
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>>
>> >>>> >> >>> 15. sep. 2016 06.00 skrev "T Lopez" :
>> >>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>> Ok..what I mean is, all of the granular opcode examples are
>> >>>> >> >>>> monophonic,
>> >>>> >> >>>> as they only play one "note" at a time
>> >>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>> Selfmade grain's use of sndwarp is polyphonic as the "notes"
>> >>>> >> >>>> are
>> >>>> >> >>>> triggered every 12.5 seconds and overlap..forming a brief
>> >>>> >> >>>> 'chord'
>> >>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>> This is due to schedwhen triggering sndwarp..
>> >>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>> I wanted to know if it was possible to use the opcodes
>> >>>> >> >>>> polyphonically(did I spell that right??) as in the above
>> >>>> >> >>>> example
>> >>>> >> >>>> WITHOUT
>> >>>> >> >>>> using schedwhen to trigger the opcode..
>> >>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>> I hope that's clear...I should have probably phrased it that
>> >>>> >> >>>> way
>> >>>> >> >>>> in
>> >>>> >> >>>> the
>> >>>> >> >>>> original post.
>> >>>> >> >>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>> On 15 Sep 2016 14:38, "Victor Lazzarini"
>> >>>> >> >>>> 
>> >>>> >> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>>> Not quite sure what exactly you want to do, but you can have
>> >>>> >> >>>>> overlapped
>> >>>> >> >>>>> streams
>> >>>> >> >>>>> with any of these opcodes, fog included.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> ========================
>> >>>> >> >>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>> >> >>>>> Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> Maynooth University,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >>>> >> >>>>> Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >>>> >> >>>>> Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >>>> >> >>>>>
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016, at 13:12, T Lopez 
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Okkk, makes sense...will do.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > One last question then...or maybe I should do the same as
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > with
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > partikkel..
>> >>>> >> >>>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Would you happen to know how one could achieve this with
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > fog?
>> >>>> >> >>>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Thanks so much for your swift responses.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > On 15 Sep 2016 14:00, "Victor Lazzarini"
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > 
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > With Partikkel you should be able to do everything you
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > want
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > in
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > terms
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > of granular synthesis,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > overlapping streams should not be a problem. Maybe you
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > should
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > ask
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > a
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > specific question on
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Partikkel, and I am sure there would be people here with
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > expertise
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > to
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > help you.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > ========================
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Maynooth University,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >>>> >> >>>>> >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:52, T Lopez 
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > Thanks so much for your response, I should have been
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > more
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > specific...
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > I am using partikkel currently....the point is, I don´t
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > know how
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > to
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > get the streams to overlap as in selfmade grain without
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > using
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > schedwhen in
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > another instrument..
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > or is that the only way?
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > On 15 September 2016 at 13:50, Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > >  wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > yes, you can use an opcode like syncgrain/syncloop or
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > partikkel.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > There are others too,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > take a look at Iain McCurdy’s granular synthesis
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > examples.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > ========================
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > Maynooth University,
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > Tel: 00 353 7086936
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > Fax: 00 353 1 7086952
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > On 15 Sep 2016, at 12:40, T Lopez 
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > wrote:
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > Hi all!! I really like how selfmade grain overlaps
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > audio
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > streams...
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > I would like to do something similar with the other
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > granular
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > opcodes for an installation I'm coding in pure data.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > My question is: Is there another way to overlap
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > streams
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > without
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > using schedwhen?
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > Besides using multiple instances I mean..
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > >
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > I hope my question is clear, if not, please ask for
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > > clarification.
>> >>>> >> >>>>> > > >
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