There's alot that can be said on this subject! As has already been
pointed out, hardware synths aren't as powerful or flexible as Csound.
Same goes for hardware vs a DAW. I love hardware synths, I've been
buying and selling bits of gear for about 5 years now, and a big
mistake I made when I started was trying to find hardware that could
do the things I used to do in my DAW... like stick 8 different effects
on one instrument part, EQ the hell out of everything, or make insane
never repeating rhythms out of 100s of different samples. Hardware is
starting to get closer to these things now mind, but hardware is
definitely not anything like the same as using a DAW or Csound. If you
get hardware, you have to accept the limitations, and once you've done
that, you just work with that, or find work arounds, and then you
start to realise the limitations aren't actually as bad as you might
of imagined. In fact, they can sometimes help push you to be more
creative.

The main aspect of hardware though, is it's entirely hands on which
can make it more fun to use, and is definitely more satisfying to play
live. You can obviously just get midi controllers and play your DAW
and Csound that way, but it takes alot more fiddling about to set up,
and none of your controls are set in stone. With a piece of hardware,
most of the knobs and buttons do a particular job which you get to
learn over time, and usually have a helpful label attached to them.
Hardware synths are also genearally more reliable than a PC. They're
not likely to crash or lag in the middle of a set.

As for analog vs digital hardware, that's a matter of taste. Alot of
people jumped on that recent analog revival band wagon. It seems
everyone had decided that analog was better for a while. Personally I
don't care much for analog. It's expensive, not very flexible and in
my personal opinion often sounds poor compared to digital, especially
when you consider how easy it is to add an analog feel to a digital
sound. I've spent a while playing with various different moogs, and
was thoroughly disappointed considering all the hype around them. I
hated almost every sound I got out of them, lol. I've had similar
experiences with other analog. BUT, that is just my opinion. Many
people would disagree with me on that. It is also worth noting that a
digital synth is essentially just a simplified computer with lots of
dedicated knobs and buttons... so if you are comfortable with using
your computer and a controller, digital synths might not be worth it
anyway.

As for specific recommendations, it depends on your budget... but you
have mentioned Nord already, which I'm guessing means your budget is
fairly good. I tried a Nord Lead 4 out in a music shop before. I did
like it, and I liked the sounds I heard coming from it in the videos I
saw, but I wasn't entirely sure on the limitations of the sound
crafting. I do like a lot of options, and the Nord Lead 4 seemed to
narrow down a few of them... like for instance, it gives you the
choice of just 4 or 5 specific reverb settings. The Access Virus
series are always a winner. The TI and TI2 have the total PC
integration thing, so you can use it easily in your studio, and craft
sounds on it using your PC if you desire, but you can also use it
totally stand alone as and when you want to. The earlier Virus' are
also fairly well respected still, and still very much sort after. The
Virus C in particular; alot of Virus TI owners claim they like their
Virus C better. I'm about to buy one too... All the Elektron gear is
great too, even though their more recent gear is analog... Though I
don't know if you're after a keyboard synth, groovebox or what not.
You can make entire songs on any one of their bits of gear though. I
can give you more in-depth thoughts on each of them if you are
interested in them at all.

One other thought on hardware synths, is that alot of them have very
limited effects. For instance, the Dave Smiths Instruments Prophet 12,
Pro 2 and Tempest, which are all hybrid digital/analog synths, have no
reverb or EQ. They do have delay, although the Delay on the Tempest is
exceptionally bad. Some of DSI's synths are nearly really good, but
all have their shortcomings in my opinion.

God I've written alot already... I could go on and on about this, lol.
Let me know if any of that was barking up the right tree or not, or if
you want me to expand on anything I've mentioned.

On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:34 AM, Partev Barr Sarkissian
 wrote:
>
> Virtual,... Arturia in Italy does some good virtuals. Have their virtual
> Moog Modular.
> A friend used to tech for Keith Emerson and was a big part of the new
> Modular system
> cloned from Emerson's. Easy since my friend had Emerson's synth in his
> living room.
>
> Some virtuals are good and compare well with the hardware versions.
>
> Hardware,... I have used DX7's, I sometimes use the DX5, my music partner
> and I use
> Roland XV-5050 and XV-5080. For a more analog sound, we tinker with a
> modular set-up
> we designed and built back in the pre-MIDI 1980's, and a Moog Prodigy. We
> usually go
> for the multi timbre hardware synths.
>
> Recently switched from MacCsound to Qt6 after updating to a more recent Mac
> Lap.
> Can get it run, but I still need to learn more about the in's and out's of
> this one. My old
> files don't always run on this one. Like the sound of it going thru a more
> recent sound
> system circuit that can do better than just Red Book 16-bit/44.1-kHz.
>
> Looking forward to doing real-time performing and recording with this.
>
>
> Cheers,
> -PBS
>
>
> ===========================================
>
>
> --- anton.kholomiov@GMAIL.COM wrote:
>
> From: Anton Kholomiov 
> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
> Subject: [Csnd] Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders
> prefer?
> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 18:01:57 +0300
>
> I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
> And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
> virtual one that is produced with Csound?
>
> also: Is virtual analog synth is worth to have if you are versed with
> Csound?
> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can
> be posted here
>
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Yeah, choosing synths isn't easy, especially seeing as it's hard to
find a music shop that stocks this kind of gear. It's only lucky we
have youtube these days to watch other people trying them out, lol.

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Anton Kholomiov
 wrote:
> Thanks for feedback Peter a lot to ponder..
>
> 2016-09-12 16:46 GMT+03:00 Peter Burgess :
>>
>> There's alot that can be said on this subject! As has already been
>> pointed out, hardware synths aren't as powerful or flexible as Csound.
>> Same goes for hardware vs a DAW. I love hardware synths, I've been
>> buying and selling bits of gear for about 5 years now, and a big
>> mistake I made when I started was trying to find hardware that could
>> do the things I used to do in my DAW... like stick 8 different effects
>> on one instrument part, EQ the hell out of everything, or make insane
>> never repeating rhythms out of 100s of different samples. Hardware is
>> starting to get closer to these things now mind, but hardware is
>> definitely not anything like the same as using a DAW or Csound. If you
>> get hardware, you have to accept the limitations, and once you've done
>> that, you just work with that, or find work arounds, and then you
>> start to realise the limitations aren't actually as bad as you might
>> of imagined. In fact, they can sometimes help push you to be more
>> creative.
>>
>> The main aspect of hardware though, is it's entirely hands on which
>> can make it more fun to use, and is definitely more satisfying to play
>> live. You can obviously just get midi controllers and play your DAW
>> and Csound that way, but it takes alot more fiddling about to set up,
>> and none of your controls are set in stone. With a piece of hardware,
>> most of the knobs and buttons do a particular job which you get to
>> learn over time, and usually have a helpful label attached to them.
>> Hardware synths are also genearally more reliable than a PC. They're
>> not likely to crash or lag in the middle of a set.
>>
>> As for analog vs digital hardware, that's a matter of taste. Alot of
>> people jumped on that recent analog revival band wagon. It seems
>> everyone had decided that analog was better for a while. Personally I
>> don't care much for analog. It's expensive, not very flexible and in
>> my personal opinion often sounds poor compared to digital, especially
>> when you consider how easy it is to add an analog feel to a digital
>> sound. I've spent a while playing with various different moogs, and
>> was thoroughly disappointed considering all the hype around them. I
>> hated almost every sound I got out of them, lol. I've had similar
>> experiences with other analog. BUT, that is just my opinion. Many
>> people would disagree with me on that. It is also worth noting that a
>> digital synth is essentially just a simplified computer with lots of
>> dedicated knobs and buttons... so if you are comfortable with using
>> your computer and a controller, digital synths might not be worth it
>> anyway.
>>
>> As for specific recommendations, it depends on your budget... but you
>> have mentioned Nord already, which I'm guessing means your budget is
>> fairly good. I tried a Nord Lead 4 out in a music shop before. I did
>> like it, and I liked the sounds I heard coming from it in the videos I
>> saw, but I wasn't entirely sure on the limitations of the sound
>> crafting. I do like a lot of options, and the Nord Lead 4 seemed to
>> narrow down a few of them... like for instance, it gives you the
>> choice of just 4 or 5 specific reverb settings. The Access Virus
>> series are always a winner. The TI and TI2 have the total PC
>> integration thing, so you can use it easily in your studio, and craft
>> sounds on it using your PC if you desire, but you can also use it
>> totally stand alone as and when you want to. The earlier Virus' are
>> also fairly well respected still, and still very much sort after. The
>> Virus C in particular; alot of Virus TI owners claim they like their
>> Virus C better. I'm about to buy one too... All the Elektron gear is
>> great too, even though their more recent gear is analog... Though I
>> don't know if you're after a keyboard synth, groovebox or what not.
>> You can make entire songs on any one of their bits of gear though. I
>> can give you more in-depth thoughts on each of them if you are
>> interested in them at all.
>>
>> One other thought on hardware synths, is that alot of them have very
>> limited effects. For instance, the Dave Smiths Instruments Prophet 12,
>> Pro 2 and Tempest, which are all hybrid digital/analog synths, have no
>> reverb or EQ. They do have delay, although the Delay on the Tempest is
>> exceptionally bad. Some of DSI's synths are nearly really good, but
>> all have their shortcomings in my opinion.
>>
>> God I've written alot already... I could go on and on about this, lol.
>> Let me know if any of that was barking up the right tree or not, or if
>> you want me to expand on anything I've mentioned.
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:34 AM, Partev Barr Sarkissian
>>  wrote:
>> >
>> > Virtual,... Arturia in Italy does some good virtuals. Have their virtual
>> > Moog Modular.
>> > A friend used to tech for Keith Emerson and was a big part of the new
>> > Modular system
>> > cloned from Emerson's. Easy since my friend had Emerson's synth in his
>> > living room.
>> >
>> > Some virtuals are good and compare well with the hardware versions.
>> >
>> > Hardware,... I have used DX7's, I sometimes use the DX5, my music
>> > partner
>> > and I use
>> > Roland XV-5050 and XV-5080. For a more analog sound, we tinker with a
>> > modular set-up
>> > we designed and built back in the pre-MIDI 1980's, and a Moog Prodigy.
>> > We
>> > usually go
>> > for the multi timbre hardware synths.
>> >
>> > Recently switched from MacCsound to Qt6 after updating to a more recent
>> > Mac
>> > Lap.
>> > Can get it run, but I still need to learn more about the in's and out's
>> > of
>> > this one. My old
>> > files don't always run on this one. Like the sound of it going thru a
>> > more
>> > recent sound
>> > system circuit that can do better than just Red Book 16-bit/44.1-kHz.
>> >
>> > Looking forward to doing real-time performing and recording with this.
>> >
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -PBS
>> >
>> >
>> > ===========================================
>> >
>> >
>> > --- anton.kholomiov@GMAIL.COM wrote:
>> >
>> > From: Anton Kholomiov 
>> > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> > Subject: [Csnd] Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders
>> > prefer?
>> > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 18:01:57 +0300
>> >
>> > I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
>> > And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
>> > virtual one that is produced with Csound?
>> >
>> > also: Is virtual analog synth is worth to have if you are versed with
>> > Csound?
>> > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>> > can
>> > be posted here
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.
>> > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>> > can
>> > be posted here
>>
>>
>>
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>> https://soundcloud.com/algorythmradio
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I have come across a useful flow chart to help you choose your hardware synth...

On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Peter Burgess
 wrote:
> Yeah, choosing synths isn't easy, especially seeing as it's hard to
> find a music shop that stocks this kind of gear. It's only lucky we
> have youtube these days to watch other people trying them out, lol.
>
> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Anton Kholomiov
>  wrote:
>> Thanks for feedback Peter a lot to ponder..
>>
>> 2016-09-12 16:46 GMT+03:00 Peter Burgess :
>>>
>>> There's alot that can be said on this subject! As has already been
>>> pointed out, hardware synths aren't as powerful or flexible as Csound.
>>> Same goes for hardware vs a DAW. I love hardware synths, I've been
>>> buying and selling bits of gear for about 5 years now, and a big
>>> mistake I made when I started was trying to find hardware that could
>>> do the things I used to do in my DAW... like stick 8 different effects
>>> on one instrument part, EQ the hell out of everything, or make insane
>>> never repeating rhythms out of 100s of different samples. Hardware is
>>> starting to get closer to these things now mind, but hardware is
>>> definitely not anything like the same as using a DAW or Csound. If you
>>> get hardware, you have to accept the limitations, and once you've done
>>> that, you just work with that, or find work arounds, and then you
>>> start to realise the limitations aren't actually as bad as you might
>>> of imagined. In fact, they can sometimes help push you to be more
>>> creative.
>>>
>>> The main aspect of hardware though, is it's entirely hands on which
>>> can make it more fun to use, and is definitely more satisfying to play
>>> live. You can obviously just get midi controllers and play your DAW
>>> and Csound that way, but it takes alot more fiddling about to set up,
>>> and none of your controls are set in stone. With a piece of hardware,
>>> most of the knobs and buttons do a particular job which you get to
>>> learn over time, and usually have a helpful label attached to them.
>>> Hardware synths are also genearally more reliable than a PC. They're
>>> not likely to crash or lag in the middle of a set.
>>>
>>> As for analog vs digital hardware, that's a matter of taste. Alot of
>>> people jumped on that recent analog revival band wagon. It seems
>>> everyone had decided that analog was better for a while. Personally I
>>> don't care much for analog. It's expensive, not very flexible and in
>>> my personal opinion often sounds poor compared to digital, especially
>>> when you consider how easy it is to add an analog feel to a digital
>>> sound. I've spent a while playing with various different moogs, and
>>> was thoroughly disappointed considering all the hype around them. I
>>> hated almost every sound I got out of them, lol. I've had similar
>>> experiences with other analog. BUT, that is just my opinion. Many
>>> people would disagree with me on that. It is also worth noting that a
>>> digital synth is essentially just a simplified computer with lots of
>>> dedicated knobs and buttons... so if you are comfortable with using
>>> your computer and a controller, digital synths might not be worth it
>>> anyway.
>>>
>>> As for specific recommendations, it depends on your budget... but you
>>> have mentioned Nord already, which I'm guessing means your budget is
>>> fairly good. I tried a Nord Lead 4 out in a music shop before. I did
>>> like it, and I liked the sounds I heard coming from it in the videos I
>>> saw, but I wasn't entirely sure on the limitations of the sound
>>> crafting. I do like a lot of options, and the Nord Lead 4 seemed to
>>> narrow down a few of them... like for instance, it gives you the
>>> choice of just 4 or 5 specific reverb settings. The Access Virus
>>> series are always a winner. The TI and TI2 have the total PC
>>> integration thing, so you can use it easily in your studio, and craft
>>> sounds on it using your PC if you desire, but you can also use it
>>> totally stand alone as and when you want to. The earlier Virus' are
>>> also fairly well respected still, and still very much sort after. The
>>> Virus C in particular; alot of Virus TI owners claim they like their
>>> Virus C better. I'm about to buy one too... All the Elektron gear is
>>> great too, even though their more recent gear is analog... Though I
>>> don't know if you're after a keyboard synth, groovebox or what not.
>>> You can make entire songs on any one of their bits of gear though. I
>>> can give you more in-depth thoughts on each of them if you are
>>> interested in them at all.
>>>
>>> One other thought on hardware synths, is that alot of them have very
>>> limited effects. For instance, the Dave Smiths Instruments Prophet 12,
>>> Pro 2 and Tempest, which are all hybrid digital/analog synths, have no
>>> reverb or EQ. They do have delay, although the Delay on the Tempest is
>>> exceptionally bad. Some of DSI's synths are nearly really good, but
>>> all have their shortcomings in my opinion.
>>>
>>> God I've written alot already... I could go on and on about this, lol.
>>> Let me know if any of that was barking up the right tree or not, or if
>>> you want me to expand on anything I've mentioned.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:34 AM, Partev Barr Sarkissian
>>>  wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Virtual,... Arturia in Italy does some good virtuals. Have their virtual
>>> > Moog Modular.
>>> > A friend used to tech for Keith Emerson and was a big part of the new
>>> > Modular system
>>> > cloned from Emerson's. Easy since my friend had Emerson's synth in his
>>> > living room.
>>> >
>>> > Some virtuals are good and compare well with the hardware versions.
>>> >
>>> > Hardware,... I have used DX7's, I sometimes use the DX5, my music
>>> > partner
>>> > and I use
>>> > Roland XV-5050 and XV-5080. For a more analog sound, we tinker with a
>>> > modular set-up
>>> > we designed and built back in the pre-MIDI 1980's, and a Moog Prodigy.
>>> > We
>>> > usually go
>>> > for the multi timbre hardware synths.
>>> >
>>> > Recently switched from MacCsound to Qt6 after updating to a more recent
>>> > Mac
>>> > Lap.
>>> > Can get it run, but I still need to learn more about the in's and out's
>>> > of
>>> > this one. My old
>>> > files don't always run on this one. Like the sound of it going thru a
>>> > more
>>> > recent sound
>>> > system circuit that can do better than just Red Book 16-bit/44.1-kHz.
>>> >
>>> > Looking forward to doing real-time performing and recording with this.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> > -PBS
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ===========================================
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --- anton.kholomiov@GMAIL.COM wrote:
>>> >
>>> > From: Anton Kholomiov 
>>> > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>>> > Subject: [Csnd] Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders
>>> > prefer?
>>> > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 18:01:57 +0300
>>> >
>>> > I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
>>> > And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
>>> > virtual one that is produced with Csound?
>>> >
>>> > also: Is virtual analog synth is worth to have if you are versed with
>>> > Csound?
>>> > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>>> > can
>>> > be posted here
>>> >
>>> > ________________________________
>>> > Netscape.  Just the Net You Need.
>>> > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
>>> > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to
>>> > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features
>>> > can
>>> > be posted here
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> https://soundcloud.com/algorythmradio
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
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>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>
>>
>> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie
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>> be posted here
>
>
>
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> https://soundcloud.com/algorythmradio



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It's missing the question "can you afford it?"... but I guess it
probably assumes you'll find a way some how or another

On Mon, Sep 19, 2016 at 8:34 PM, Anton Kholomiov
 wrote:
> Good advice! :)
>
> 2016-09-19 19:04 GMT+03:00 Rory Walsh :
>>
>> This sums it up nicely!
>>
>> On 19 September 2016 at 16:33, Peter Burgess
>>  wrote:
>>>
>>> I have come across a useful flow chart to help you choose your hardware
>>> synth...
>>>
>>> On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:40 PM, Peter Burgess
>>>  wrote:
>>> > Yeah, choosing synths isn't easy, especially seeing as it's hard to
>>> > find a music shop that stocks this kind of gear. It's only lucky we
>>> > have youtube these days to watch other people trying them out, lol.
>>> >
>>> > On Mon, Sep 12, 2016 at 3:30 PM, Anton Kholomiov
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >> Thanks for feedback Peter a lot to ponder..
>>> >>
>>> >> 2016-09-12 16:46 GMT+03:00 Peter Burgess
>>> >> :
>>> >>>
>>> >>> There's alot that can be said on this subject! As has already been
>>> >>> pointed out, hardware synths aren't as powerful or flexible as
>>> >>> Csound.
>>> >>> Same goes for hardware vs a DAW. I love hardware synths, I've been
>>> >>> buying and selling bits of gear for about 5 years now, and a big
>>> >>> mistake I made when I started was trying to find hardware that could
>>> >>> do the things I used to do in my DAW... like stick 8 different
>>> >>> effects
>>> >>> on one instrument part, EQ the hell out of everything, or make insane
>>> >>> never repeating rhythms out of 100s of different samples. Hardware is
>>> >>> starting to get closer to these things now mind, but hardware is
>>> >>> definitely not anything like the same as using a DAW or Csound. If
>>> >>> you
>>> >>> get hardware, you have to accept the limitations, and once you've
>>> >>> done
>>> >>> that, you just work with that, or find work arounds, and then you
>>> >>> start to realise the limitations aren't actually as bad as you might
>>> >>> of imagined. In fact, they can sometimes help push you to be more
>>> >>> creative.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The main aspect of hardware though, is it's entirely hands on which
>>> >>> can make it more fun to use, and is definitely more satisfying to
>>> >>> play
>>> >>> live. You can obviously just get midi controllers and play your DAW
>>> >>> and Csound that way, but it takes alot more fiddling about to set up,
>>> >>> and none of your controls are set in stone. With a piece of hardware,
>>> >>> most of the knobs and buttons do a particular job which you get to
>>> >>> learn over time, and usually have a helpful label attached to them.
>>> >>> Hardware synths are also genearally more reliable than a PC. They're
>>> >>> not likely to crash or lag in the middle of a set.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As for analog vs digital hardware, that's a matter of taste. Alot of
>>> >>> people jumped on that recent analog revival band wagon. It seems
>>> >>> everyone had decided that analog was better for a while. Personally I
>>> >>> don't care much for analog. It's expensive, not very flexible and in
>>> >>> my personal opinion often sounds poor compared to digital, especially
>>> >>> when you consider how easy it is to add an analog feel to a digital
>>> >>> sound. I've spent a while playing with various different moogs, and
>>> >>> was thoroughly disappointed considering all the hype around them. I
>>> >>> hated almost every sound I got out of them, lol. I've had similar
>>> >>> experiences with other analog. BUT, that is just my opinion. Many
>>> >>> people would disagree with me on that. It is also worth noting that a
>>> >>> digital synth is essentially just a simplified computer with lots of
>>> >>> dedicated knobs and buttons... so if you are comfortable with using
>>> >>> your computer and a controller, digital synths might not be worth it
>>> >>> anyway.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> As for specific recommendations, it depends on your budget... but you
>>> >>> have mentioned Nord already, which I'm guessing means your budget is
>>> >>> fairly good. I tried a Nord Lead 4 out in a music shop before. I did
>>> >>> like it, and I liked the sounds I heard coming from it in the videos
>>> >>> I
>>> >>> saw, but I wasn't entirely sure on the limitations of the sound
>>> >>> crafting. I do like a lot of options, and the Nord Lead 4 seemed to
>>> >>> narrow down a few of them... like for instance, it gives you the
>>> >>> choice of just 4 or 5 specific reverb settings. The Access Virus
>>> >>> series are always a winner. The TI and TI2 have the total PC
>>> >>> integration thing, so you can use it easily in your studio, and craft
>>> >>> sounds on it using your PC if you desire, but you can also use it
>>> >>> totally stand alone as and when you want to. The earlier Virus' are
>>> >>> also fairly well respected still, and still very much sort after. The
>>> >>> Virus C in particular; alot of Virus TI owners claim they like their
>>> >>> Virus C better. I'm about to buy one too... All the Elektron gear is
>>> >>> great too, even though their more recent gear is analog... Though I
>>> >>> don't know if you're after a keyboard synth, groovebox or what not.
>>> >>> You can make entire songs on any one of their bits of gear though. I
>>> >>> can give you more in-depth thoughts on each of them if you are
>>> >>> interested in them at all.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> One other thought on hardware synths, is that alot of them have very
>>> >>> limited effects. For instance, the Dave Smiths Instruments Prophet
>>> >>> 12,
>>> >>> Pro 2 and Tempest, which are all hybrid digital/analog synths, have
>>> >>> no
>>> >>> reverb or EQ. They do have delay, although the Delay on the Tempest
>>> >>> is
>>> >>> exceptionally bad. Some of DSI's synths are nearly really good, but
>>> >>> all have their shortcomings in my opinion.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> God I've written alot already... I could go on and on about this,
>>> >>> lol.
>>> >>> Let me know if any of that was barking up the right tree or not, or
>>> >>> if
>>> >>> you want me to expand on anything I've mentioned.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Sun, Sep 11, 2016 at 4:34 AM, Partev Barr Sarkissian
>>> >>>  wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Virtual,... Arturia in Italy does some good virtuals. Have their
>>> >>> > virtual
>>> >>> > Moog Modular.
>>> >>> > A friend used to tech for Keith Emerson and was a big part of the
>>> >>> > new
>>> >>> > Modular system
>>> >>> > cloned from Emerson's. Easy since my friend had Emerson's synth in
>>> >>> > his
>>> >>> > living room.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Some virtuals are good and compare well with the hardware versions.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Hardware,... I have used DX7's, I sometimes use the DX5, my music
>>> >>> > partner
>>> >>> > and I use
>>> >>> > Roland XV-5050 and XV-5080. For a more analog sound, we tinker with
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > modular set-up
>>> >>> > we designed and built back in the pre-MIDI 1980's, and a Moog
>>> >>> > Prodigy.
>>> >>> > We
>>> >>> > usually go
>>> >>> > for the multi timbre hardware synths.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Recently switched from MacCsound to Qt6 after updating to a more
>>> >>> > recent
>>> >>> > Mac
>>> >>> > Lap.
>>> >>> > Can get it run, but I still need to learn more about the in's and
>>> >>> > out's
>>> >>> > of
>>> >>> > this one. My old
>>> >>> > files don't always run on this one. Like the sound of it going thru
>>> >>> > a
>>> >>> > more
>>> >>> > recent sound
>>> >>> > system circuit that can do better than just Red Book
>>> >>> > 16-bit/44.1-kHz.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Looking forward to doing real-time performing and recording with
>>> >>> > this.
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > Cheers,
>>> >>> > -PBS
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > ===========================================
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > --- anton.kholomiov@GMAIL.COM wrote:
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > From: Anton Kholomiov 
>>> >>> > To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>>> >>> > Subject: [Csnd] Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do
>>> >>> > Csounders
>>> >>> > prefer?
>>> >>> > Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2016 18:01:57 +0300
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you
>>> >>> > recommend?
>>> >>> > And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
>>> >>> > virtual one that is produced with Csound?
>>> >>> >
>>> >>> > also: Is virtual analog synth is worth to have if you are versed
>>> >>> > with
>>> >>> > Csound?
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