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Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?

Date2016-09-09 16:01
FromAnton Kholomiov
SubjectDo you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?
I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
virtual one that is produced with Csound?

also: Is virtual analog synth is worth to have if you are versed with Csound?
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Date2016-09-09 17:14
FromMichael Gogins
SubjectRe: Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?
I used to work with hardware synths like Buchlas. Csound is far more powerful, but the hardware definitely has its own sound and therefore its own place. There are nonlinearities in the analog circuits. I think the paradigmatic example is a click or snap. It has a "bloom" in analog gear and a flat, constant-bandwidth click in Csound. Of course this could be modeled in Csound but that would be a lot of work and probably not really end up sounding exactly the same. I think what I am talking about is one of the reasons why some people invented and created "glitch" music.

When it comes to bandlimited waveforms and such Csound is pretty good, and I wouldn't hesitate to use them in place of the analog versions. But the filters might be slightly different and the clicks etc. definitely different.

Some people more or less associated with Richard Boulanger made a Csound module for the Eurorack standard. It was based on running Csound on an Arduino. I don't know if this is commercially available. You can mix and match modules from different manufacturers in Eurorack cabinets.

Just my 2 cents.

Regards,
Mike


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On Fri, Sep 9, 2016 at 11:01 AM, Anton Kholomiov <anton.kholomiov@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
virtual one that is produced with Csound?

also: Is virtual analog synth is worth to have if you are versed with Csound?
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Date2016-09-10 18:06
FromFfanci Silvain
SubjectRe: Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?
Anton Kholomiov, Sep 9 2016:

> I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
I use them extensively. A Yamaha DX7 (PM/FM), which I'd only recommend for religious reasons.
Two sample based synths (Korg Triton series and Roland JV/XP series), which are fantastic for their particular samples, if needed. Also the JV/XP architecture is nice and gives me enough tools to do sound design.

There's a Waldorf Microwave, which I like for its particular waveforms, its filters, the UI and the architecture, though that could be simulated with Csound.

Lastly there's a fully analogue (MiniBrute) and a hybrid analogue/digital (DSI Prophet-12). They both bring their very particular sound (filters and partly oscillators) and very intuitive and designer-friendly UIs.
> And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
> virtual one that is produced with Csound?

Csound's ladder filters sound very good and a I enjoy a few others too. But I, personally and subjectively, feel that Csound lacks in bnadlimited oscillator power. There is vco2, but I don't really like the sound. I also feel that a few capabilities are missing. Though with some clever design Csound can generate good oscillators.

But I'd never use Csound to create a virtual analogue synth. I love Csound for its advanced synthesis features and the capabilities not found in any hardware. If I had a less powerful virtual analogue synth, I think, I would prefer Csound. I've heard quite a few of those.

Another issues I have seen, in a few experiments, is that my attempts at more complex architectures written in Csound, use a fair bit of CPU. Take it with a grain of salt though, since I'm not a good programmer.
...

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Date2016-09-10 19:31
FromAnton Kholomiov
SubjectRe: Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?
But I'd never use Csound to create a virtual analogue synth. I love Csound for its advanced synthesis features and the capabilities not found in any hardware. If I had a less powerful virtual analogue synth, I think, I would prefer Csound. I've heard quite a few of those.

That's a good point! The world seems to be locked in subtractive synthesis and so much repetition is going on in the hardware and software synth around
the subtractive theme. But with Csound we can go beyond that.

What do you think on Nords? Do you have any experience with that?


2016-09-10 20:06 GMT+03:00 Ffanci Silvain <silvain@freeshell.de>:
Anton Kholomiov, Sep 9 2016:

I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
I use them extensively. A Yamaha DX7 (PM/FM), which I'd only recommend for religious reasons.
Two sample based synths (Korg Triton series and Roland JV/XP series), which are fantastic for their particular samples, if needed. Also the JV/XP architecture is nice and gives me enough tools to do sound design.

There's a Waldorf Microwave, which I like for its particular waveforms, its filters, the UI and the architecture, though that could be simulated with Csound.

Lastly there's a fully analogue (MiniBrute) and a hybrid analogue/digital (DSI Prophet-12). They both bring their very particular sound (filters and partly oscillators) and very intuitive and designer-friendly UIs.
And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
virtual one that is produced with Csound?

Csound's ladder filters sound very good and a I enjoy a few others too. But I, personally and subjectively, feel that Csound lacks in bnadlimited oscillator power. There is vco2, but I don't really like the sound. I also feel that a few capabilities are missing. Though with some clever design Csound can generate good oscillators.

But I'd never use Csound to create a virtual analogue synth. I love Csound for its advanced synthesis features and the capabilities not found in any hardware. If I had a less powerful virtual analogue synth, I think, I would prefer Csound. I've heard quite a few of those.

Another issues I have seen, in a few experiments, is that my attempts at more complex architectures written in Csound, use a fair bit of CPU. Take it with a grain of salt though, since I'm not a good programmer.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
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Date2016-09-10 20:42
FromRichard
SubjectRe: Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?

I am using a Nord Modular G2 and a Yamaha MO6.
The Nord is very nice as a controller also because of all the knobs. In itself it is a great synth, but somewhat limited in memory, so long delays are not possible. But then we have Csound, so this is a good mix...

Richard

On 10/09/16 20:31, Anton Kholomiov wrote:
But I'd never use Csound to create a virtual analogue synth. I love Csound for its advanced synthesis features and the capabilities not found in any hardware. If I had a less powerful virtual analogue synth, I think, I would prefer Csound. I've heard quite a few of those.

That's a good point! The world seems to be locked in subtractive synthesis and so much repetition is going on in the hardware and software synth around
the subtractive theme. But with Csound we can go beyond that.

What do you think on Nords? Do you have any experience with that?


2016-09-10 20:06 GMT+03:00 Ffanci Silvain <silvain@freeshell.de>:
Anton Kholomiov, Sep 9 2016:

I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
I use them extensively. A Yamaha DX7 (PM/FM), which I'd only recommend for religious reasons.
Two sample based synths (Korg Triton series and Roland JV/XP series), which are fantastic for their particular samples, if needed. Also the JV/XP architecture is nice and gives me enough tools to do sound design.

There's a Waldorf Microwave, which I like for its particular waveforms, its filters, the UI and the architecture, though that could be simulated with Csound.

Lastly there's a fully analogue (MiniBrute) and a hybrid analogue/digital (DSI Prophet-12). They both bring their very particular sound (filters and partly oscillators) and very intuitive and designer-friendly UIs.
And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
virtual one that is produced with Csound?

Csound's ladder filters sound very good and a I enjoy a few others too. But I, personally and subjectively, feel that Csound lacks in bnadlimited oscillator power. There is vco2, but I don't really like the sound. I also feel that a few capabilities are missing. Though with some clever design Csound can generate good oscillators.

But I'd never use Csound to create a virtual analogue synth. I love Csound for its advanced synthesis features and the capabilities not found in any hardware. If I had a less powerful virtual analogue synth, I think, I would prefer Csound. I've heard quite a few of those.

Another issues I have seen, in a few experiments, is that my attempts at more complex architectures written in Csound, use a fair bit of CPU. Take it with a grain of salt though, since I'm not a good programmer.
...

Ta-ta,
----
Ffanci
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Date2016-09-10 22:10
FromBrian Redfern
SubjectRe: Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?

I have in the past, I was using an op1 with my phone using my android apps that use csound as the engine. I used those with a monotribe for some shows as well. But i wasn't using them in a standard DAW format, my synths don't support midi so I was using the op1 or the monotribe to provide a "beat" that i could do noise sounds over with my apps.

I have written midi based instruments that I used on linux with seq24 but back then I didn't have any hardware at all so I was using seq24, csound and hydrogen for a while.

You can use a raspberry pi3 with csound to build your own custom digital hardware module for eurorack. You can run instruments with jack on linux and sequence them from seq24.

You can turn csound instruments into VST plugins with cabbage there's really a lot you can do to integrate csound with a pro audio setup.


On Sep 9, 2016 8:02 AM, "Anton Kholomiov" <anton.kholomiov@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm just curious, do you use any hardware synth which you recommend?
And how do you compare the sound of the "real" thing versus
virtual one that is produced with Csound?

also: Is virtual analog synth is worth to have if you are versed with Csound?
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Date2016-09-10 22:12
FromFfanci Silvain
SubjectRe: Do you use any hardware synth? What synth do Csounders prefer?
Anton Kholomiov, Sep 10 2016:
...
> What do you think on Nords? Do you have any experience with that?
I owned a Nordrack 3 for a long time and loved it. Yes, limited in its feature set, but a few rather unique capabilities and a superb interface.

I've also seen and played the Nord lead 4 and A1, I'm not really convinced of the direction they've taken. More wavetables, which is rather digital of them. This might have been a good addition, if it hadn't been for the cost of other features, like modulation between the oscillators.

They always had a nice hard oscillator sync and the filters are good. I'm not sure if one could implement the comb filtered white noise thing, that Clavia calls "sync'ed noise", which is a good basis for vocal type sounds.
...

Ta-ta,
----
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