Divine 9 tuning and csound

Divine 9 tuning and csound

Date	2016-08-31 15:24
From	Richard
Subject	Divine 9 tuning and csound
	Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? Richard Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-08-31 19:17
From	Dave Seidel
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? Richard Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-08-31 20:16
From	Richard
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	You are right about the claims. I found the following on the frequencies: http://divine9music.com/divine-9-music-frequencies/?lang=en Richard On 31/08/16 20:17, Dave Seidel wrote: First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? Richard Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-08-31 21:08
From	Dave Seidel
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	Strange that after all the talk of ratios, they don't use ratios (or cents) to describe the tuning, and instead use specific frequencies. At least it isn't based on 432 Hz. :-) On Aug 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: You are right about the claims. I found the following on the frequencies: http://divine9music.com/divine-9-music-frequencies/?lang=en Richard On 31/08/16 20:17, Dave Seidel wrote: First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? Richard Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-08-31 21:14
From	Richard
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	No, it is based on 428 Hz, according to what I read here... Verder heeft Gert het grondgetal van 440 Hz omlaag gebracht naar 428 Hz Richard On 31/08/16 22:08, Dave Seidel wrote: Strange that after all the talk of ratios, they don't use ratios (or cents) to describe the tuning, and instead use specific frequencies. At least it isn't based on 432 Hz. :-) On Aug 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: You are right about the claims. I found the following on the frequencies: http://divine9music.com/divine-9-music-frequencies/?lang=en Richard On 31/08/16 20:17, Dave Seidel wrote: First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? Richard Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-08-31 21:15
From	Steven Yi
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	I found someone's analysis here: http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/29/divine-9-tuning/ http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/31/divine-9-revisited/ The author looks to have spent a bit of time with the criticism. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Dave Seidel wrote: > Strange that after all the talk of ratios, they don't use ratios (or cents) > to describe the tuning, and instead use specific frequencies. At least it > isn't based on 432 Hz. :-) > > > On Aug 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Richard" wrote: >> >> You are right about the claims. I found the following on the frequencies: >> >> http://divine9music.com/divine-9-music-frequencies/?lang=en >> >> >> Richard >> >> On 31/08/16 20:17, Dave Seidel wrote: >> >> First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose >> claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct >> description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. >> >> >> On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> Csound mailing list >>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >>> Send bugs reports to >>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here >> >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can > be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-09-01 16:13
From	Aaron Krister Johnson
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	The text on the site is pure woo/gobbledegook: "The choice of the source numbers, the numbers 1 to 9 determines the ‘energetic color’ of the paint. With this principle the timbre is created that realizes a certain sphere. Compare this with painting on a canvas where you can use as well various colors. The neutrality of the number 9 facilitates that everyone can look at his own story, his own timbre using a neutral and therewith very bright reflection. The 9 is colorless otherwise there would be emotions but does contains all colors within. From your Core you can watch without emotions what you like and dislike in your story after which you can, if you want, change your coloring." Makes the rest of us who spend time really exploring alternate tuning and temperament look bad, as a group. Aaron Krister Johnson http://www.untwelve.org On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote: I found someone's analysis here: http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/29/divine-9-tuning/ http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/31/divine-9-revisited/ The author looks to have spent a bit of time with the criticism. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Dave Seidel <dave.seidel@gmail.com> wrote: > Strange that after all the talk of ratios, they don't use ratios (or cents) > to describe the tuning, and instead use specific frequencies. At least it > isn't based on 432 Hz. :-) > > > On Aug 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You are right about the claims. I found the following on the frequencies: >> >> http://divine9music.com/divine-9-music-frequencies/?lang=en >> >> >> Richard >> >> On 31/08/16 20:17, Dave Seidel wrote: >> >> First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose >> claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct >> description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. >> >> >> On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> Csound mailing list >>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >>> Send bugs reports to >>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here >> >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can > be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-09-01 16:17
From	Richard
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	I agree, the nonsense factor is quite high. Still it is an interesting tuning, and the examples played by Jan Vayne are quite nice. Richard On 01/09/16 17:13, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: The text on the site is pure woo/gobbledegook: "The choice of the source numbers, the numbers 1 to 9 determines the ‘energetic color’ of the paint. With this principle the timbre is created that realizes a certain sphere. Compare this with painting on a canvas where you can use as well various colors. The neutrality of the number 9 facilitates that everyone can look at his own story, his own timbre using a neutral and therewith very bright reflection. The 9 is colorless otherwise there would be emotions but does contains all colors within. From your Core you can watch without emotions what you like and dislike in your story after which you can, if you want, change your coloring." Makes the rest of us who spend time really exploring alternate tuning and temperament look bad, as a group. Aaron Krister Johnson http://www.untwelve.org On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote: I found someone's analysis here: http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/29/divine-9-tuning/ http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/31/divine-9-revisited/ The author looks to have spent a bit of time with the criticism. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Dave Seidel <dave.seidel@gmail.com> wrote: > Strange that after all the talk of ratios, they don't use ratios (or cents) > to describe the tuning, and instead use specific frequencies. At least it > isn't based on 432 Hz. :-) > > > On Aug 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You are right about the claims. I found the following on the frequencies: >> >> http://divine9music.com/divine-9-music-frequencies/?lang=en >> >> >> Richard >> >> On 31/08/16 20:17, Dave Seidel wrote: >> >> First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose >> claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct >> description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. >> >> >> On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> Csound mailing list >>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >>> Send bugs reports to >>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here >> >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can > be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-09-01 17:07
From	Bill Alves
Subject	Re: Divine 9 tuning and csound
	For those interested, the "black keys" are related by a simple 3/2 chain. The pitches C, G, D, and A are also related by this same Pythagorean chain. However, these two sequences are related to each other by a somewhat sharp major third: A to C# is a 512/405, and likewise D/F#. (405=815). C to E is the rather bizarre ratio 398/313 (313 is prime), a very sharp major third. E to B is a 112/75, a somewhat flat fifth (roughly the same as a 1/3-comma meantone fifth). C to F is a 27/20, a very sharp and dissonant fourth. At least that's what I get. I haven't looked into the claims of the inventor, but I think these last few intervals would limit its usefulness for conventional music. Bill On Sep 1, 2016, at 8:17 AM, Richard <zappfinger@GMAIL.COM> wrote: I agree, the nonsense factor is quite high. Still it is an interesting tuning, and the examples played by Jan Vayne are quite nice. Richard On 01/09/16 17:13, Aaron Krister Johnson wrote: The text on the site is pure woo/gobbledegook: "The choice of the source numbers, the numbers 1 to 9 determines the ‘energetic color’ of the paint. With this principle the timbre is created that realizes a certain sphere. Compare this with painting on a canvas where you can use as well various colors. The neutrality of the number 9 facilitates that everyone can look at his own story, his own timbre using a neutral and therewith very bright reflection. The 9 is colorless otherwise there would be emotions but does contains all colors within. From your Core you can watch without emotions what you like and dislike in your story after which you can, if you want, change your coloring." Makes the rest of us who spend time really* exploring alternate tuning and temperament look bad, as a group. Aaron Krister Johnson http://www.untwelve.org On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote: I found someone's analysis here: http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/29/divine-9-tuning/ http://www.simonplantinga.nl/2015/01/31/divine-9-revisited/ The author looks to have spent a bit of time with the criticism. On Wed, Aug 31, 2016 at 4:08 PM, Dave Seidel <dave.seidel@gmail.com> wrote: > Strange that after all the talk of ratios, they don't use ratios (or cents) > to describe the tuning, and instead use specific frequencies. At least it > isn't based on 432 Hz. :-) > > > On Aug 31, 2016 3:16 PM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> You are right about the claims. I found the following on the frequencies: >> >> http://divine9music.com/divine-9-music-frequencies/?lang=en >> >> >> Richard >> >> On 31/08/16 20:17, Dave Seidel wrote: >> >> First I'd heard of it, so I looked it up. The website is full of grandiose >> claims and questionable statements, and I could not find a succinct >> description of the tuning, but maybe I just lack patience. >> >> >> On Aug 31, 2016 10:24 AM, "Richard" <zappfinger@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>> Has anyone ever done anything with the 'divine 9' tuning and csound? >>> >>> Richard >>> >>> Csound mailing list >>> Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >>> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND >>> Send bugs reports to >>> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here >> >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie >> https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to >> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can >> be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie > https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to > https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can > be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Bill Alves Professor of Music, The Claremont Colleges Harvey Mudd College 301 Platt Blvd. Claremont CA 91711 http://pages.hmc.edu/alves/ http://www.billalves.com/