Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT. 

On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, so update...

I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...

On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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www.cabbageaudio.com

https://csoundqt.github.io/

http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

etc.. ;) It's a good time to be a Csounder! Also check out the home page for more cools things www.csound.com

On 29 May 2016 at 12:46, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahh ok thanks! I wasn't aware that there was a more modern option available!

On 29 May 2016 13:42, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT. 

On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, so update...

I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...

On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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Yess, it would seem so! Thx for the links...

I'm fairly new to programming, a bit of python and pure data..

Upon realizing some of my favorite sound design tools(Hadron and Cecilia5) use Csound I promptly downloaded it and got stuck in!!

On 29 May 2016 13:49, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

www.cabbageaudio.com

https://csoundqt.github.io/

http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

etc.. ;) It's a good time to be a Csounder! Also check out the home page for more cools things www.csound.com

On 29 May 2016 at 12:46, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahh ok thanks! I wasn't aware that there was a more modern option available!

On 29 May 2016 13:42, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT. 

On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, so update...

I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...

On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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You shouldn't try running any of the FLTK stuff in Cabbage. Just use the instruments that ship with it. What OS are you on? 

On 29 May 2016 at 13:52, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

I've just tried using grain3.csd/syncgrain.csd etc with cabbage and no gui comes up.....is that because the guis were made with fltk?

Because the included instruments have functional guis...

I did get some error messages about access points after installing, maybe it's related to that...the messages don't come up anymore though..

On 29 May 2016 13:55, "T Lopez" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Yess, it would seem so! Thx for the links...

I'm fairly new to programming, a bit of python and pure data..

Upon realizing some of my favorite sound design tools(Hadron and Cecilia5) use Csound I promptly downloaded it and got stuck in!!

On 29 May 2016 13:49, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

www.cabbageaudio.com

https://csoundqt.github.io/

http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

etc.. ;) It's a good time to be a Csounder! Also check out the home page for more cools things www.csound.com

On 29 May 2016 at 12:46, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahh ok thanks! I wasn't aware that there was a more modern option available!

On 29 May 2016 13:42, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT. 

On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, so update...

I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...

On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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Why not just use PureData to control Csound?

http://floss.booktype.pro/csound/a-csound-in-pd/

That would reduce the need to depend on any other external tools. Simply create a Pd interface to whatever Csound files you need. 

On 29 May 2016 at 15:07, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Okok....I should have been specific, what I am trying to do is modify syncgrain.csd and partikkel-2.csd for an audiovisual installation that will use puredata(GEM) for the visuals...

Partikkel-2.csd needs a gui, and with syncgrain I wanted to change the pitch in scale...

On 29 May 2016 15:04, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

You shouldn't try running any of the FLTK stuff in Cabbage. Just use the instruments that ship with it. What OS are you on? 

On 29 May 2016 at 13:52, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

I've just tried using grain3.csd/syncgrain.csd etc with cabbage and no gui comes up.....is that because the guis were made with fltk?

Because the included instruments have functional guis...

I did get some error messages about access points after installing, maybe it's related to that...the messages don't come up anymore though..

On 29 May 2016 13:55, "T Lopez" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Yess, it would seem so! Thx for the links...

I'm fairly new to programming, a bit of python and pure data..

Upon realizing some of my favorite sound design tools(Hadron and Cecilia5) use Csound I promptly downloaded it and got stuck in!!

On 29 May 2016 13:49, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

www.cabbageaudio.com

https://csoundqt.github.io/

http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

etc.. ;) It's a good time to be a Csounder! Also check out the home page for more cools things www.csound.com

On 29 May 2016 at 12:46, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahh ok thanks! I wasn't aware that there was a more modern option available!

On 29 May 2016 13:42, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT. 

On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, so update...

I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...

On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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If you find GEM isn't up to it in terms of your visuals you can also run Csound with processing :) Csound can be run with almost anything these days. 

On 29 May 2016 at 15:14, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Omg awesome idea...cheers, sorry, forgot to say I'm on Windows 8

On 29 May 2016 16:10, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

Why not just use PureData to control Csound?

http://floss.booktype.pro/csound/a-csound-in-pd/

That would reduce the need to depend on any other external tools. Simply create a Pd interface to whatever Csound files you need. 

On 29 May 2016 at 15:07, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Okok....I should have been specific, what I am trying to do is modify syncgrain.csd and partikkel-2.csd for an audiovisual installation that will use puredata(GEM) for the visuals...

Partikkel-2.csd needs a gui, and with syncgrain I wanted to change the pitch in scale...

On 29 May 2016 15:04, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

You shouldn't try running any of the FLTK stuff in Cabbage. Just use the instruments that ship with it. What OS are you on? 

On 29 May 2016 at 13:52, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

I've just tried using grain3.csd/syncgrain.csd etc with cabbage and no gui comes up.....is that because the guis were made with fltk?

Because the included instruments have functional guis...

I did get some error messages about access points after installing, maybe it's related to that...the messages don't come up anymore though..

On 29 May 2016 13:55, "T Lopez" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Yess, it would seem so! Thx for the links...

I'm fairly new to programming, a bit of python and pure data..

Upon realizing some of my favorite sound design tools(Hadron and Cecilia5) use Csound I promptly downloaded it and got stuck in!!

On 29 May 2016 13:49, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

www.cabbageaudio.com

https://csoundqt.github.io/

http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

etc.. ;) It's a good time to be a Csounder! Also check out the home page for more cools things www.csound.com

On 29 May 2016 at 12:46, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahh ok thanks! I wasn't aware that there was a more modern option available!

On 29 May 2016 13:42, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT. 

On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, so update...

I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...

On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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I just thought I'd stand up a bit for fltk :-)

In my mind (or just in my eyes?) csoundqt and blue (though I haven't used the latter much) are excellent composing environments, but I've always felt fltk is nice and clean as a performance gui. You can fairly easily whip up a window with a few controllers etc and since the fltk opcodes are included in csound (providing you enable them to be built if you cook you own) you just need a standard csound installation to get it to run on most systems. 

Cabbage is something of a hybrid, I'd say, especially with the -studio release. It is very nice looking and can do incredible stuff, but you might not need all those bells and whistles (especially since ring modulation and physical modeling is available in csound) to perform a piece?

In essence: I like editing csd-files in a text editor and run csound from command line and for that fltk is an excellent gui. But for more exploratory work, especially dipping into the plethora of available instruments from the community (yes, I'm talking about you Mr McCurdy) then cabbage is fantastic, and to be able to export your instrument as a standalone app is nothing short of brilliant!!

Regards,

Anders 

29 maj 2016 kl. 13:49 skrev Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@EAR.IE>:

www.cabbageaudio.com

https://csoundqt.github.io/

http://blue.kunstmusik.com/

etc.. ;) It's a good time to be a Csounder! Also check out the home page for more cools things www.csound.com

On 29 May 2016 at 12:46, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ahh ok thanks! I wasn't aware that there was a more modern option available!

On 29 May 2016 13:42, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:

I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT. 

On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Ok, so update...

I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...

On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi again!

Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed amounts..?

For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another idea)
as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..

or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...

I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
solution-----forgive me if I missed it.

Thanks in advance!!

edit: forgot question mark

Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for clarification if
needed!



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You can do this in JavaScript which is considerably more powerful than
Cabbage, rCsoundQt, or FLTK but it may take more code to do it. You
can set an increment size on a slider, or you can set up a choicelist.

You can use JavaScript with Csound in CsoundQt or in csound.node with
nw.js (both currently available only for windows, but Linux should be
coming soon).\

Regards,
Mike


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On Sun, May 29, 2016 at 1:02 PM, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tarmo, your explanation was extremely useful, thank you...
>
> Anders, thanks as well, extremely helpful...
>
> I need all the info I can get!
>
> On 29 May 2016 18:15, "Anders Genell" <anders.genell@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I just thought I'd stand up a bit for fltk :-)
>>
>> In my mind (or just in my eyes?) csoundqt and blue (though I haven't used
>> the latter much) are excellent composing environments, but I've always felt
>> fltk is nice and clean as a performance gui. You can fairly easily whip up a
>> window with a few controllers etc and since the fltk opcodes are included in
>> csound (providing you enable them to be built if you cook you own) you just
>> need a standard csound installation to get it to run on most systems.
>>
>> Cabbage is something of a hybrid, I'd say, especially with the -studio
>> release. It is very nice looking and can do incredible stuff, but you might
>> not need all those bells and whistles (especially since ring modulation and
>> physical modeling is available in csound) to perform a piece?
>>
>> In essence: I like editing csd-files in a text editor and run csound from
>> command line and for that fltk is an excellent gui. But for more exploratory
>> work, especially dipping into the plethora of available instruments from the
>> community (yes, I'm talking about you Mr McCurdy) then cabbage is fantastic,
>> and to be able to export your instrument as a standalone app is nothing
>> short of brilliant!!
>>
>> Regards,
>> Anders
>>
>> 29 maj 2016 kl. 13:49 skrev Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@EAR.IE>:
>>
>> www.cabbageaudio.com
>> https://csoundqt.github.io/
>> http://blue.kunstmusik.com/
>> etc.. ;) It's a good time to be a Csounder! Also check out the home page
>> for more cools things www.csound.com
>>
>> On 29 May 2016 at 12:46, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Ahh ok thanks! I wasn't aware that there was a more modern option
>>> available!
>>>
>>> On 29 May 2016 13:42, "Rory Walsh" <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure you can do this, and to be honest, the fltk stuff is not so
>>>> popular anymore considering the more modern GUI tookits that are available
>>>> for Csound these days. You could do it with Cabbage by updating the display
>>>> each time you change a slider's value. It would involve a bit of work, but
>>>> is doable. I'm not sure it is possible with CsoundQT.
>>>>
>>>> On 29 May 2016 at 12:35, T Lopez <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Ok, so update...
>>>>>
>>>>> I found that by using fltext instead of flslider, istep can used for
>>>>> incremental values..however, it still doesn't seem like one could define
>>>>> exact values(?) ie...a scale for example...
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28 May 2016 20:48, "bubget" <wstlopez@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi again!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, how can one edit the widget sliders as to "lock" into fixed
>>>>>> amounts..?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For example: exact semitonal increments(according to scale is another
>>>>>> idea)
>>>>>> as opposed to interpolating throughout the frequency spectrum..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> or, exact stretch amounts in soundwarp ie : 2x, 4x etc...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been reading up on widgets, however, I haven´t found a
>>>>>> solution-----forgive me if I missed it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> edit: forgot question mark
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry for double post, clarity is important......ask me for
>>>>>> clarification if
>>>>>> needed!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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