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Date2016-05-23 03:06
FromSteven Yi
SubjectSolina Chorus
Hi All,

I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
Ensemble's chorus module.  The UDO and test file are available at:

https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd

and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:

http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3

It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:

http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html

and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:

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Date2016-05-23 03:11
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
(sorry, accidentally hit send before finishing the email!)

and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:

http://www.native-instruments.com/en/reaktor-community/reaktor-user-library/entry/show/4525/

The UDO takes in an audio signal and a pair of LFO frequency and
amplitude values.  The output is a mono chorused signal.

The Reaktor module implements a pair of delay lines for L+R stereo
processing, but I went with a mono implementation as it seemed closer
to what would have been found on the String Ensemble and in the J.
Haible Triple Chorus.  It sounded good to my ears in its current shape
so I thought it worth releasing, but any suggestions for improvement
are welcome.

Thanks!
steven


On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 10:06 PM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
> Ensemble's chorus module.  The UDO and test file are available at:
>
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd
>
> and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:
>
> http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3
>
> It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:
>
> http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
>
> and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:

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Date2016-05-23 03:25
FromMichael Gogins
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus

Very nice! I'll use it.

Thanks,
Mike

On May 22, 2016 10:06 PM, "Steven Yi" <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
Ensemble's chorus module.  The UDO and test file are available at:

https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd

and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:

http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3

It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:

http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html

and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:

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Date2016-05-23 03:30
FromJustin
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Sounds real good!

From: Michael Gogins
Sent: ‎5/‎22/‎2016 10:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] Solina Chorus

Very nice! I'll use it.

Thanks,
Mike

On May 22, 2016 10:06 PM, "Steven Yi" <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
Ensemble's chorus module.  The UDO and test file are available at:

https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd

and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:

http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3

It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:

http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html

and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:

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Date2016-05-23 08:13
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
I'm copying and pasting as I type ;) 

On 23 May 2016 at 03:30, Justin <justinrosander@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds real good!

From: Michael Gogins
Sent: ‎5/‎22/‎2016 10:25 PM
To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
Subject: Re: [Csnd] Solina Chorus

Very nice! I'll use it.

Thanks,
Mike

On May 22, 2016 10:06 PM, "Steven Yi" <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi All,

I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
Ensemble's chorus module.  The UDO and test file are available at:

https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd

and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:

http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3

It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:

http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html

and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:

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Date2016-05-23 17:17
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Thanks all, hope you all find it useful!  One thing to note, it should
be easy to modify the UDO to output the results of the three delays in
case you want to pan those or what not.  I'll probably just stick to
the current implementation for my own uses, but though it was worth
mentioning.

All best!
steven

On Mon, May 23, 2016 at 3:13 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> I'm copying and pasting as I type ;)
>
> On 23 May 2016 at 03:30, Justin  wrote:
>>
>> Sounds real good!
>> ________________________________
>> From: Michael Gogins
>> Sent: ‎5/‎22/‎2016 10:25 PM
>> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Solina Chorus
>>
>> Very nice! I'll use it.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> On May 22, 2016 10:06 PM, "Steven Yi"  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
>>> Ensemble's chorus module.  The UDO and test file are available at:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
>>> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd
>>>
>>> and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:
>>>
>>> http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3
>>>
>>> It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:
>>>
>>> http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
>>>
>>> and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:
>>>
>>> Csound mailing list
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Date2016-05-23 18:21
FromIain McCurdy
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
This sounds great Steven, very lush with so little code. Great work. (I'm glad to read that I was able to play a small part!)

> Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 22:06:11 -0400
> From: stevenyi@GMAIL.COM
> Subject: [Csnd] Solina Chorus
> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE
>
> Hi All,
>
> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
> Ensemble's chorus module. The UDO and test file are available at:
>
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd
>
> and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:
>
> http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3
>
> It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:
>
> http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
>
> and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:
>
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Date2016-05-23 18:25
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus

Thanks Iain for the kind  words and of course for your work! I'm catching up with studying your CSDs and learning plenty.

Cheers!
Steven


On Mon, May 23, 2016, 1:21 PM Iain McCurdy <i_mccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
This sounds great Steven, very lush with so little code. Great work. (I'm glad to read that I was able to play a small part!)

> Date: Sun, 22 May 2016 22:06:11 -0400
> From: stevenyi@GMAIL.COM
> Subject: [Csnd] Solina Chorus
> To: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE

>
> Hi All,
>
> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
> Ensemble's chorus module. The UDO and test file are available at:
>
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/solina_chorus.udo
> https://github.com/kunstmusik/libsyi/blob/master/tests/solina_chorus.csd
>
> and an audio rendering of the test is avaialble at:
>
> http://kunstmusik.com/solina_chorus.mp3
>
> It's based on information from J. Haible's Triple Chorus:
>
> http://jhaible.com/legacy/triple_chorus/triple_chorus.html
>
> and the Reaktor Solina-V module by Hugo Portillo:
>
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Date2016-05-31 08:36
FromFfanci Silvain
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Steven Yi, May 23 2016:

> Hi All,
>
> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
> Ensemble's chorus module.
...
Hey hey Steven,
I finally had a chance to give it a listen and tweak the example a bit. The chorus sounds very good! At first I was confused by the reverb, which smeared it a lot. Thanks for sharing these lovely UDOs. They sound beautiful, are very usable and sometimes an education. <3

Ta-ta
----
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Date2016-06-01 16:38
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Hi Ffanci,

Yes, that's a good point: I added the reverb to the example but it is
not a part of the chorus.  I'll look at updating that example during
my next csound programming session to demonstrate various parameter
settings and to have both dry examples and ones with reverb.

Thanks and enjoy!
steven

On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Ffanci Silvain  wrote:
> Steven Yi, May 23 2016:
>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
>> Ensemble's chorus module.
>
> ...
> Hey hey Steven,
> I finally had a chance to give it a listen and tweak the example a bit. The
> chorus sounds very good! At first I was confused by the reverb, which
> smeared it a lot. Thanks for sharing these lovely UDOs. They sound
> beautiful, are very usable and sometimes an education. <3
>
> Ta-ta
> ----
> Ffanci
> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>
>
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Date2016-06-02 20:48
FromKevin Welsh
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Steven, thanks for writing and sharing this!  I'm already enjoying the
unique characteristic it adds.

I have a comment and two questions for you about this:

First, the comment; I ran into a problem adding this into a cabbage
effect.  I had to make the following change to get it to compile:
  ;a0   = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1)
  ;a120 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1)
  ;a240 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1)
  a0    tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1
  a120  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1
  a240  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1

It looks like in the original function style of your version for some
reason in cabbage is outputting krate when an arate is expected...
but I have no idea why.  It works fine function style in csound from
the console, and changing to opcode style works fine in cabbage.
Without that change I got the following errors form cabbage:
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1


For the first question, I think I found a typo/bug.  I noticed where
the delay is being applied "at2" is being used twice, and "at3" isn't
used at all.  Adding in at3 for the last delay line seems to add even
more to the sound.  I'm assuming this was just a simple copy paste
mistake, and that at3 is actually supposed to be used?

Next question, I noticed in the solina_chorus UDO that the audio input
variable is named "aLeft".  This made me wonder, what do you think
would be the best way to make a stereo version of this effect?  My
first guess would be a half phase shift of the sol_lfo_3 phasor on
only one channel.  Did you plan on implementing a stereo version, or
is that meant to be an exercise left up to the user for the sake of
simplicity?

Sorry for the bonus question, thanks again for this great contribution!

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hi Ffanci,
>
> Yes, that's a good point: I added the reverb to the example but it is
> not a part of the chorus.  I'll look at updating that example during
> my next csound programming session to demonstrate various parameter
> settings and to have both dry examples and ones with reverb.
>
> Thanks and enjoy!
> steven
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Ffanci Silvain  wrote:
>> Steven Yi, May 23 2016:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
>>> Ensemble's chorus module.
>>
>> ...
>> Hey hey Steven,
>> I finally had a chance to give it a listen and tweak the example a bit. The
>> chorus sounds very good! At first I was confused by the reverb, which
>> smeared it a lot. Thanks for sharing these lovely UDOs. They sound
>> beautiful, are very usable and sometimes an education. <3
>>
>> Ta-ta
>> ----
>> Ffanci
>> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
>> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
>> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>>
>>
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Date2016-06-04 01:23
FromRory Walsh
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Using tablei:a() will instruct Csound to use the a-rate version of tablei. How interesting it is that this works from the console but in Cabbage we need to use tablei:a()? For what it's worth, I'm happy to use tablei:a(). I think it leads to clearer code, but still curious to know why running a file through Cabbage should be any different than from the command line.  

On 2 June 2016 at 20:48, Kevin Welsh <tgrey1@gmail.com> wrote:
Steven, thanks for writing and sharing this!  I'm already enjoying the
unique characteristic it adds.

I have a comment and two questions for you about this:

First, the comment; I ran into a problem adding this into a cabbage
effect.  I had to make the following change to get it to compile:
  ;a0   = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1)
  ;a120 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1)
  ;a240 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1)
  a0    tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1
  a120  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1
  a240  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1

It looks like in the original function style of your version for some
reason in cabbage is outputting krate when an arate is expected...
but I have no idea why.  It works fine function style in csound from
the console, and changing to opcode style works fine in cabbage.
Without that change I got the following errors form cabbage:
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
inconsistent with output
#k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1


For the first question, I think I found a typo/bug.  I noticed where
the delay is being applied "at2" is being used twice, and "at3" isn't
used at all.  Adding in at3 for the last delay line seems to add even
more to the sound.  I'm assuming this was just a simple copy paste
mistake, and that at3 is actually supposed to be used?

Next question, I noticed in the solina_chorus UDO that the audio input
variable is named "aLeft".  This made me wonder, what do you think
would be the best way to make a stereo version of this effect?  My
first guess would be a half phase shift of the sol_lfo_3 phasor on
only one channel.  Did you plan on implementing a stereo version, or
is that meant to be an exercise left up to the user for the sake of
simplicity?

Sorry for the bonus question, thanks again for this great contribution!

On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Ffanci,
>
> Yes, that's a good point: I added the reverb to the example but it is
> not a part of the chorus.  I'll look at updating that example during
> my next csound programming session to demonstrate various parameter
> settings and to have both dry examples and ones with reverb.
>
> Thanks and enjoy!
> steven
>
> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Ffanci Silvain <silvain@freeshell.de> wrote:
>> Steven Yi, May 23 2016:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
>>> Ensemble's chorus module.
>>
>> ...
>> Hey hey Steven,
>> I finally had a chance to give it a listen and tweak the example a bit. The
>> chorus sounds very good! At first I was confused by the reverb, which
>> smeared it a lot. Thanks for sharing these lovely UDOs. They sound
>> beautiful, are very usable and sometimes an education. <3
>>
>> Ta-ta
>> ----
>> Ffanci
>> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
>> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
>> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>>
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Date2016-06-04 02:46
FromKevin Welsh
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Yeah, I realized typecasting to a-rate was an option just minutes
after I sent the email.

I found the difference between console and cabbage very odd too.  I
just about have the cabbage effect cleaned up enough to share, so I
might start a topic on the cabbage forums with an example
demonstrating this for you.  My guess is it's really a problem
upstream in csound, but it'd still be nice to figure out the details
of the problem.

On Fri, Jun 3, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Using tablei:a() will instruct Csound to use the a-rate version of tablei.
> How interesting it is that this works from the console but in Cabbage we
> need to use tablei:a()? For what it's worth, I'm happy to use tablei:a(). I
> think it leads to clearer code, but still curious to know why running a file
> through Cabbage should be any different than from the command line.
>
> On 2 June 2016 at 20:48, Kevin Welsh  wrote:
>>
>> Steven, thanks for writing and sharing this!  I'm already enjoying the
>> unique characteristic it adds.
>>
>> I have a comment and two questions for you about this:
>>
>> First, the comment; I ran into a problem adding this into a cabbage
>> effect.  I had to make the following change to get it to compile:
>>   ;a0   = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1)
>>   ;a120 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1)
>>   ;a240 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1)
>>   a0    tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1
>>   a120  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1
>>   a240  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1
>>
>> It looks like in the original function style of your version for some
>> reason in cabbage is outputting krate when an arate is expected...
>> but I have no idea why.  It works fine function style in csound from
>> the console, and changing to opcode style works fine in cabbage.
>> Without that change I got the following errors form cabbage:
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
>>
>>
>> For the first question, I think I found a typo/bug.  I noticed where
>> the delay is being applied "at2" is being used twice, and "at3" isn't
>> used at all.  Adding in at3 for the last delay line seems to add even
>> more to the sound.  I'm assuming this was just a simple copy paste
>> mistake, and that at3 is actually supposed to be used?
>>
>> Next question, I noticed in the solina_chorus UDO that the audio input
>> variable is named "aLeft".  This made me wonder, what do you think
>> would be the best way to make a stereo version of this effect?  My
>> first guess would be a half phase shift of the sol_lfo_3 phasor on
>> only one channel.  Did you plan on implementing a stereo version, or
>> is that meant to be an exercise left up to the user for the sake of
>> simplicity?
>>
>> Sorry for the bonus question, thanks again for this great contribution!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> > Hi Ffanci,
>> >
>> > Yes, that's a good point: I added the reverb to the example but it is
>> > not a part of the chorus.  I'll look at updating that example during
>> > my next csound programming session to demonstrate various parameter
>> > settings and to have both dry examples and ones with reverb.
>> >
>> > Thanks and enjoy!
>> > steven
>> >
>> > On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Ffanci Silvain 
>> > wrote:
>> >> Steven Yi, May 23 2016:
>> >>
>> >>> Hi All,
>> >>>
>> >>> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
>> >>> Ensemble's chorus module.
>> >>
>> >> ...
>> >> Hey hey Steven,
>> >> I finally had a chance to give it a listen and tweak the example a bit.
>> >> The
>> >> chorus sounds very good! At first I was confused by the reverb, which
>> >> smeared it a lot. Thanks for sharing these lovely UDOs. They sound
>> >> beautiful, are very usable and sometimes an education. <3
>> >>
>> >> Ta-ta
>> >> ----
>> >> Ffanci
>> >> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
>> >> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
>> >> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>> >>
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Date2016-06-04 07:33
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
Hi Kevin,

Thanks for pointing out the copy/paste issue!  I've corrected that now
in the github project.

I originally used aLeft as I worked on making the UDO more along the
lines of what was done in the Reaktor ensemble by Hugo Portillo. In
that project, at1, at2, and at3 are used to control two sets of two
delays, with the left channel using at1 and at2 for two delay lines,
and the right channel using at2 and at3 for two delay lines. Hope that
helps!

steven


On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Kevin Welsh  wrote:
> Steven, thanks for writing and sharing this!  I'm already enjoying the
> unique characteristic it adds.
>
> I have a comment and two questions for you about this:
>
> First, the comment; I ran into a problem adding this into a cabbage
> effect.  I had to make the following change to get it to compile:
>   ;a0   = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1)
>   ;a120 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1)
>   ;a240 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1)
>   a0    tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1
>   a120  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1
>   a240  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1
>
> It looks like in the original function style of your version for some
> reason in cabbage is outputting krate when an arate is expected...
> but I have no idea why.  It works fine function style in csound from
> the console, and changing to opcode style works fine in cabbage.
> Without that change I got the following errors form cabbage:
> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
> inconsistent with output
> #k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
> inconsistent with output
> #k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
> inconsistent with output
> #k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
> inconsistent with output
> #k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
> inconsistent with output
> #k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
> inconsistent with output
> #k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
>
>
> For the first question, I think I found a typo/bug.  I noticed where
> the delay is being applied "at2" is being used twice, and "at3" isn't
> used at all.  Adding in at3 for the last delay line seems to add even
> more to the sound.  I'm assuming this was just a simple copy paste
> mistake, and that at3 is actually supposed to be used?
>
> Next question, I noticed in the solina_chorus UDO that the audio input
> variable is named "aLeft".  This made me wonder, what do you think
> would be the best way to make a stereo version of this effect?  My
> first guess would be a half phase shift of the sol_lfo_3 phasor on
> only one channel.  Did you plan on implementing a stereo version, or
> is that meant to be an exercise left up to the user for the sake of
> simplicity?
>
> Sorry for the bonus question, thanks again for this great contribution!
>
> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>> Hi Ffanci,
>>
>> Yes, that's a good point: I added the reverb to the example but it is
>> not a part of the chorus.  I'll look at updating that example during
>> my next csound programming session to demonstrate various parameter
>> settings and to have both dry examples and ones with reverb.
>>
>> Thanks and enjoy!
>> steven
>>
>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Ffanci Silvain  wrote:
>>> Steven Yi, May 23 2016:
>>>
>>>> Hi All,
>>>>
>>>> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
>>>> Ensemble's chorus module.
>>>
>>> ...
>>> Hey hey Steven,
>>> I finally had a chance to give it a listen and tweak the example a bit. The
>>> chorus sounds very good! At first I was confused by the reverb, which
>>> smeared it a lot. Thanks for sharing these lovely UDOs. They sound
>>> beautiful, are very usable and sometimes an education. <3
>>>
>>> Ta-ta
>>> ----
>>> Ffanci
>>> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
>>> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
>>> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>>>
>>>
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Date2016-06-04 08:22
FromKevin Welsh
SubjectRe: Solina Chorus
AttachmentsSolinaChorus_v1.0.csd  
I took a few liberties to allow both traditional chorus and some more
non-traditional uses... but here's my first (hopefully release-ready)
cabbage version of this.  Thanks again Steven!

The lfo frequency and amp controls are 0-1 ratios of whatever the
overall scale is set to.  Enabling stereo chorus phase shifts the
phasor used for timing by half on the right channel, giving some
stereo depth.


On Sat, Jun 4, 2016 at 2:33 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Thanks for pointing out the copy/paste issue!  I've corrected that now
> in the github project.
>
> I originally used aLeft as I worked on making the UDO more along the
> lines of what was done in the Reaktor ensemble by Hugo Portillo. In
> that project, at1, at2, and at3 are used to control two sets of two
> delays, with the left channel using at1 and at2 for two delay lines,
> and the right channel using at2 and at3 for two delay lines. Hope that
> helps!
>
> steven
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 2, 2016 at 12:48 PM, Kevin Welsh  wrote:
>> Steven, thanks for writing and sharing this!  I'm already enjoying the
>> unique characteristic it adds.
>>
>> I have a comment and two questions for you about this:
>>
>> First, the comment; I ran into a problem adding this into a cabbage
>> effect.  I had to make the following change to get it to compile:
>>   ;a0   = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1)
>>   ;a120 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1)
>>   ;a240 = tablei(aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1)
>>   a0    tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0, 1
>>   a120  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, 0.333, 1
>>   a240  tablei aphs, gi_solina_parabola, 1, -0.333, 1
>>
>> It looks like in the original function style of your version for some
>> reason in cabbage is outputting krate when an arate is expected...
>> but I have no idea why.  It works fine function style in csound from
>> the console, and changing to opcode style works fine in cabbage.
>> Without that change I got the following errors form cabbage:
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k0 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k1 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 0.333 1
>> INIT ERROR in instr 1 (opcode sol_lfo_3): table: index type
>> inconsistent with output
>> #k3 tablei.k aphs gi_solina_parabola 1 #i2 1
>>
>>
>> For the first question, I think I found a typo/bug.  I noticed where
>> the delay is being applied "at2" is being used twice, and "at3" isn't
>> used at all.  Adding in at3 for the last delay line seems to add even
>> more to the sound.  I'm assuming this was just a simple copy paste
>> mistake, and that at3 is actually supposed to be used?
>>
>> Next question, I noticed in the solina_chorus UDO that the audio input
>> variable is named "aLeft".  This made me wonder, what do you think
>> would be the best way to make a stereo version of this effect?  My
>> first guess would be a half phase shift of the sol_lfo_3 phasor on
>> only one channel.  Did you plan on implementing a stereo version, or
>> is that meant to be an exercise left up to the user for the sake of
>> simplicity?
>>
>> Sorry for the bonus question, thanks again for this great contribution!
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 1, 2016 at 11:38 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
>>> Hi Ffanci,
>>>
>>> Yes, that's a good point: I added the reverb to the example but it is
>>> not a part of the chorus.  I'll look at updating that example during
>>> my next csound programming session to demonstrate various parameter
>>> settings and to have both dry examples and ones with reverb.
>>>
>>> Thanks and enjoy!
>>> steven
>>>
>>> On Tue, May 31, 2016 at 1:36 AM, Ffanci Silvain  wrote:
>>>> Steven Yi, May 23 2016:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've put together a solina_chorus UDO that emulates the Solina String
>>>>> Ensemble's chorus module.
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> Hey hey Steven,
>>>> I finally had a chance to give it a listen and tweak the example a bit. The
>>>> chorus sounds very good! At first I was confused by the reverb, which
>>>> smeared it a lot. Thanks for sharing these lovely UDOs. They sound
>>>> beautiful, are very usable and sometimes an education. <3
>>>>
>>>> Ta-ta
>>>> ----
>>>> Ffanci
>>>> * Homepage: https://freeshell.de/~silvain
>>>> * Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
>>>> * GitHub:   https://github.com/fsilvain
>>>>
>>>>
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