Midi file capabilities

Midi file capabilities

Date	2016-05-06 10:34
From	Lars Indrek Hansson
Subject	Midi file capabilities
	Hi! Csound can render soundfiles with several opcodes, but the only way to render a midifile is with the -F (or -midifile) flag in the options. That means that only one midifile at a time can be used within an orchestra. This seems odd. Imagine if one only could use one soundfile at a time within a csound orchestra. That would have been pretty primitive, wouldn´t it? Perhaps it´s possible to assign several midifiles in the options but even so there´s no way of controlling the rendition of them, i.e playing them independently or looping them. Or have I missed something? Wouldn´t it enhance Csounds capabilities considerably if you could render midifiles within the orchestra like soundfiles are rendered, perhaps storing them in a GEN-function in the same way you store soundfiles in GEN1 and maybe having a pointer to access the table with looping possibilities? Are there any such plans? /Lars

Date	2016-05-06 10:58
From	Richard
Subject	Re: Midi file capabilities
	Yes, this seems a bit limited indeed. On the other hand, you can convert midi files to standard score and this way have more control over them, but it's a workaround... Richard On 06/05/16 11:34, Lars Indrek Hansson wrote: Hi! Csound can render soundfiles with several opcodes, but the only way to render a midifile is with the -F (or -midifile) flag in the options. That means that only one midifile at a time can be used within an orchestra. This seems odd. Imagine if one only could use one soundfile at a time within a csound orchestra. That would have been pretty primitive, wouldn´t it? Perhaps it´s possible to assign several midifiles in the options but even so there´s no way of controlling the rendition of them, i.e playing them independently or looping them. Or have I missed something? Wouldn´t it enhance Csounds capabilities considerably if you could render midifiles within the orchestra like soundfiles are rendered, perhaps storing them in a GEN-function in the same way you store soundfiles in GEN1 and maybe having a pointer to access the table with looping possibilities? Are there any such plans? /Lars Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-05-06 11:05
From	Hlöðver Sigurðsson
Subject	Re: Midi file capabilities
	I would suggest print the midi values and amp values to a file with fprints and read them with GEN23 and read them by index with tab_i. But there could be an opcode made that does this, maybe a lack of interest in non-realtime midi is the reason it has not yet been done. Don't think Supercollider can do this either, don't know about Max or Pd. 2016-05-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Richard <zappfinger@gmail.com>: Yes, this seems a bit limited indeed. On the other hand, you can convert midi files to standard score and this way have more control over them, but it's a workaround... Richard On 06/05/16 11:34, Lars Indrek Hansson wrote: Hi! Csound can render soundfiles with several opcodes, but the only way to render a midifile is with the -F (or -midifile) flag in the options. That means that only one midifile at a time can be used within an orchestra. This seems odd. Imagine if one only could use one soundfile at a time within a csound orchestra. That would have been pretty primitive, wouldn´t it? Perhaps it´s possible to assign several midifiles in the options but even so there´s no way of controlling the rendition of them, i.e playing them independently or looping them. Or have I missed something? Wouldn´t it enhance Csounds capabilities considerably if you could render midifiles within the orchestra like soundfiles are rendered, perhaps storing them in a GEN-function in the same way you store soundfiles in GEN1 and maybe having a pointer to access the table with looping possibilities? Are there any such plans? /Lars Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-05-06 11:13
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: Midi file capabilities
	It would be a good thing and I have considered the idea before. However there would need to be a redesign of how MIDI files are read. Currently, they work in similar way to the standard score (e.g. loaded and then played from beginning to end, but can be rewound, etc). Off the top of my head, we could possibly design a reader that would just spew out RT events and that is probably the easiest way to do it. In that case, it would be in addition to the -F option. ======================== Dr Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 6 May 2016, at 11:05, Hlöðver Sigurðsson wrote: > > I would suggest print the midi values and amp values to a file with fprints and read them with GEN23 and read them by index with tab_i. But there could be an opcode made that does this, maybe a lack of interest in non-realtime midi is the reason it has not yet been done. Don't think Supercollider can do this either, don't know about Max or Pd. > > 2016-05-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Richard : > Yes, this seems a bit limited indeed. > > On the other hand, you can convert midi files to standard score and this way have more control over them, but it's a workaround... > > > Richard > > On 06/05/16 11:34, Lars Indrek Hansson wrote: >> Hi! >> >> >> Csound can render soundfiles with several opcodes, but the only way to >> >> render a midifile is with the -F (or -midifile) flag in the options. That means >> >> that only one midifile at a time can be used within an orchestra. This seems >> >> odd. Imagine if one only could use one soundfile at a time within a csound >> >> orchestra. That would have been pretty primitive, wouldn´t it? >> >> >> Perhaps it´s possible to assign several midifiles in the options but even so >> >> there´s no way of controlling the rendition of them, i.e playing them >> >> independently or looping them. Or have I missed something? >> >> >> Wouldn´t it enhance Csounds capabilities considerably if you could render >> >> midifiles within the orchestra like soundfiles are rendered, perhaps storing >> >> them in a GEN-function in the same way you store soundfiles in GEN1 and >> >> maybe having a pointer to access the table with looping possibilities? >> >> >> Are there any such plans? >> >> >> /Lars >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-05-06 11:13
From	Lars Indrek Hansson
Subject	SV: [Csnd] Midi file capabilities
	Yes, but if we had these kind of flexible GEN-tables/opcodes for rendering midifiles it wouldn´t be non realtime. That´s the whole point. Being able to play snippets of midifiles, loop them etc would create new possibilities and let´s face it score syntax is not always the best solution for every task and think of all the users that would like to write scores in a more intuitive way. /Lars Från: A discussion list for users of Csound <CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE> för Hlöðver Sigurðsson <hlolli@GMAIL.COM> Skickat: den 6 maj 2016 12:05 Till: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE Ämne: Re: [Csnd] Midi file capabilities I would suggest print the midi values and amp values to a file with fprints and read them with GEN23 and read them by index with tab_i. But there could be an opcode made that does this, maybe a lack of interest in non-realtime midi is the reason it has not yet been done. Don't think Supercollider can do this either, don't know about Max or Pd. 2016-05-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Richard <zappfinger@gmail.com>: Yes, this seems a bit limited indeed. On the other hand, you can convert midi files to standard score and this way have more control over them, but it's a workaround... Richard On 06/05/16 11:34, Lars Indrek Hansson wrote: Hi! Csound can render soundfiles with several opcodes, but the only way to render a midifile is with the -F (or -midifile) flag in the options. That means that only one midifile at a time can be used within an orchestra. This seems odd. Imagine if one only could use one soundfile at a time within a csound orchestra. That would have been pretty primitive, wouldn´t it? Perhaps it´s possible to assign several midifiles in the options but even so there´s no way of controlling the rendition of them, i.e playing them independently or looping them. Or have I missed something? Wouldn´t it enhance Csounds capabilities considerably if you could render midifiles within the orchestra like soundfiles are rendered, perhaps storing them in a GEN-function in the same way you store soundfiles in GEN1 and maybe having a pointer to access the table with looping possibilities? Are there any such plans? /Lars Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here

Date	2016-05-06 11:22
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	Re: SV: [Csnd] Midi file capabilities
	I am not talking about score syntax anywhere. I am talking about an opcode that spews out RT events, not scores. It can possibly read files from specialised GEN tables, or it could read files directly. Scores do not come anywhere near this. ======================== Dr Victor Lazzarini Dean of Arts, Celtic Studies and Philosophy, Maynooth University, Maynooth, Co Kildare, Ireland Tel: 00 353 7086936 Fax: 00 353 1 7086952 > On 6 May 2016, at 11:13, Lars Indrek Hansson wrote: > > Yes, but if we had these kind of flexible GEN-tables/opcodes for rendering > midifiles it wouldn´t be non realtime. That´s the whole point. Being > able to play snippets of midifiles, loop them etc would create new > possibilities and let´s face it score syntax is not always the best solution > for every task and think of all the users that would like to write scores > in a more intuitive way. > > /Lars > > > Från: A discussion list for users of Csound för Hlöðver Sigurðsson > Skickat: den 6 maj 2016 12:05 > Till: CSOUND@LISTSERV.HEANET.IE > Ämne: Re: [Csnd] Midi file capabilities > > I would suggest print the midi values and amp values to a file with fprints and read them with GEN23 and read them by index with tab_i. But there could be an opcode made that does this, maybe a lack of interest in non-realtime midi is the reason it has not yet been done. Don't think Supercollider can do this either, don't know about Max or Pd. > > 2016-05-06 11:58 GMT+02:00 Richard : > Yes, this seems a bit limited indeed. > On the other hand, you can convert midi files to standard score and this way have more control over them, but it's a workaround... > > Richard > > On 06/05/16 11:34, Lars Indrek Hansson wrote: >> Hi! >> >> Csound can render soundfiles with several opcodes, but the only way to >> render a midifile is with the -F (or -midifile) flag in the options. That means >> that only one midifile at a time can be used within an orchestra. This seems >> odd. Imagine if one only could use one soundfile at a time within a csound >> orchestra. That would have been pretty primitive, wouldn´t it? >> >> Perhaps it´s possible to assign several midifiles in the options but even so >> there´s no way of controlling the rendition of them, i.e playing them >> independently or looping them. Or have I missed something? >> >> Wouldn´t it enhance Csounds capabilities considerably if you could render >> midifiles within the orchestra like soundfiles are rendered, perhaps storing >> them in a GEN-function in the same way you store soundfiles in GEN1 and >> maybe having a pointer to access the table with looping possibilities? >> >> Are there any such plans? >> >> /Lars >> >> >> >> >> >> Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports tohttps://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports tohttps://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports tohttps://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here Csound mailing list Csound@listserv.heanet.ie https://listserv.heanet.ie/cgi-bin/wa?A0=CSOUND Send bugs reports to https://github.com/csound/csound/issues Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here