I think it would be very interesting to see csd examples of the these
artifacts. You describe it precisely enough to recreate, but then
again it would be so much easier to discuss if we could start from the
exact same sound. I am (among other things) interested in ear training
for DSP and these artifacts sound like they could be used to
differentiate between different harmonic patterns, ...possibly(?)

2016-04-25 7:07 GMT+02:00 Michael Mossey :
> Paul,
>
> The first goal is something that sounds good when you play piano music
> through it, without needing tweaking.
>
> But there's a more general goal. Right now I use the Pianoteq, and that has
> clarity in the bass. But it doesn't have a lot of upper-end extension (i.e.
> not much energy in the high partials). I think a synthesized sound could do
> better and reveal more "music" and sound more "alive." I know that's true
> from listening to compositions that avoid the bass register. Also, I like
> the precise sense of time in synthesized sounds with a sharp attack. My MIDI
> playback system uses a lot of tricks to add rubato, and the musical effect
> is more clear with a synthesized sound.
>
> I don't want to limit myself to a piano sound. I think that sustained sounds
> with a variety of attacks could sound good, with the goal being an abundance
> of high partials. I think this is the secret behind Switched-On Bach. You
> might say, "Oh, Mike likes analog synths!" and that might be true
> (considering I suspect some of my objection might be digital artifacts), but
> I'm not sure that's the core issue. I think Switched-On Bach II, done on a
> digital synth, is less interesting than the first album not because it's
> digital, but because it lacks high partials compared to the brilliant and
> exciting sounds on the first album.
>
> The problem I'm having with muddy or ugly bass intervals doesn't seem to be
> a matter of the type of attack or be affected by simple amplitude or
> filter/cutoff envelopes. It shows up in every instance of generating a bass
> note by a single oscillator and waveform. (I want to try more ways of doing
> that, such as vco2.)
>
> I can't tune notes individually, but I don't see why one can't achieve
> decent clarity in a variety of tunings--after all, piano and harpsichord
> models do it.
>
> I'm a couple hours away from running a few test compositions through a piano
> like sound made from oscbnk, using 16 randomized oscillators in the hope it
> will soften the interaction of partials.
>
> I also plan to try vco2.
>
> Mike
>
>
>
>
>
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I think dither is implemented.

==John

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> On 25 Apr 2016, at 10:15, John  wrote:
> 
> I think dither is implemented.
> 
> ==John
> 
> Sent from TypeApp
> 
> 
> On 25 Apr 2016, at 08:34, Michael Mossey  wrote:
> By the way, ten years ago I asked if csound does dither, and I was told it doesn't (despite the manual presenting the option). Has that changed? Also, I noticed that it will do sample rate conversion if you load a file with high-def sample rate into an orchestra with sr=44100 with diskin. Is this a high-precision conversion, or should I perhaps do that in audacity?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 25, 2016 at 12:27 AM, Michael Mossey  wrote: 
> Yes, I've working for a week on software that fills out csd templates, and can be quickly configured to try different things. My goal is to find the clearest demonstrations of each technique, then render demonstration wavs and put them and the csds on my web page for all to try. It will probably be another week or longer before it's all ready, but I will let you know.
> 
> Mike
> 
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