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Higher sample rates sound dull...

Date2016-02-28 16:04
FromPeter Burgess
SubjectHigher sample rates sound dull...
AttachmentsHardtekKD 44.1kHz.mp3  HardtekKD 48kHz.mp3  HardtekKD 88.2kHz.mp3  HardtekKD 96kHz.mp3  
Hi there, I've been messing around with some man made Csound music for
a change, and exorted a short measure in several sample rates. I've
noticed that the higher sample ratess (88.2kHz and 96kHz) sound much
less vibrant than the lower ones. Anyone know why this is?

My best guesses are that either my hardware/software doesn't support
these higher sample rates properly, or that the higher sample rate is
indeed increasing the clarity and quality, and infact reducing some
kind of noise otherwise present in the lower sample rates, which to my
ears makes the audio sound richer, or brighter.

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Date2016-02-28 16:47
FromJustin Smith
SubjectRe: Higher sample rates sound dull...
my guess is that frequency foldover distortion in the instrument adds some of the edge to the lower SR items, and the higher sr changes or eliminates the foldover

I use intentional frequency foldover in fm synthesis for generating noise - I've thought about looking at other algorithms so that I wouldn't be generating a timbre that depends entirely on the rendering sample rate, but the sr foldover does give me the rough / harsh textures I'm looking for (and it's very easy to end up with foldover in fm synthesis - you could be using it without realizing it if you use fm).

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:04 AM Peter Burgess <pete.soundtechnician@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi there, I've been messing around with some man made Csound music for
a change, and exorted a short measure in several sample rates. I've
noticed that the higher sample ratess (88.2kHz and 96kHz) sound much
less vibrant than the lower ones. Anyone know why this is?

My best guesses are that either my hardware/software doesn't support
these higher sample rates properly, or that the higher sample rate is
indeed increasing the clarity and quality, and infact reducing some
kind of noise otherwise present in the lower sample rates, which to my
ears makes the audio sound richer, or brighter.

--
http://algorythmradio.com
https://soundcloud.com/algorythmradio

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Date2016-02-28 17:03
FromPeter Burgess
SubjectRe: Higher sample rates sound dull...
I've got audio rate and low frequnecy AMs between square waves. That
could be causing the effect then I guess! Good shout. I shall add some
frequency foldover to see if it replicates the lower sample rate
examples

On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 4:47 PM, Justin Smith  wrote:
> my guess is that frequency foldover distortion in the instrument adds some
> of the edge to the lower SR items, and the higher sr changes or eliminates
> the foldover
>
> I use intentional frequency foldover in fm synthesis for generating noise -
> I've thought about looking at other algorithms so that I wouldn't be
> generating a timbre that depends entirely on the rendering sample rate, but
> the sr foldover does give me the rough / harsh textures I'm looking for (and
> it's very easy to end up with foldover in fm synthesis - you could be using
> it without realizing it if you use fm).
>
> On Sun, Feb 28, 2016 at 8:04 AM Peter Burgess
>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi there, I've been messing around with some man made Csound music for
>> a change, and exorted a short measure in several sample rates. I've
>> noticed that the higher sample ratess (88.2kHz and 96kHz) sound much
>> less vibrant than the lower ones. Anyone know why this is?
>>
>> My best guesses are that either my hardware/software doesn't support
>> these higher sample rates properly, or that the higher sample rate is
>> indeed increasing the clarity and quality, and infact reducing some
>> kind of noise otherwise present in the lower sample rates, which to my
>> ears makes the audio sound richer, or brighter.
>>
>> --
>> http://algorythmradio.com
>> https://soundcloud.com/algorythmradio
>>
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