I recently (like yesterday) unearthed some scores I wrote in the early
1960s, all in normal western notation, hand written.  I was wondering
about taking some of it into Csound to hear what I wrote (I am not a
performer of suitable expertise on any instrument beyond the
computer).  Last time I did this I used Rosegarden (1996 edition) but
the software has changed and the 1996 code needs X libraries that have
changed.  Is there any Linux software, preferably free, that can take
notation to MIDI or Csound?
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Lilypond (www.lilypond.org)?

Or Frescobaldi (www.frescobaldi.org) for lilypond with more eyecandy?

Or did you mean to scan and interpret your hand written scores automatically?

Regards,

Anders

On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 3:46 PM, jpff <jpff@codemist.co.uk> wrote:

I recently (like yesterday) unearthed some scores I wrote in the early
1960s, all in normal western notation, hand written.  I was wondering
about taking some of it into Csound to hear what I wrote (I am not a
performer of suitable expertise on any instrument beyond the
computer).  Last time I did this I used Rosegarden (1996 edition) but
the software has changed and the 1996 code needs X libraries that have
changed.  Is there any Linux software, preferably free, that can take
notation to MIDI or Csound?
==John ffitch

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And Rosegarden, which can export also csound score.
T

Thank you for the quick responses.

I cannot see how to install musescore on any machine in my system (various 
OpenSuSE, one non audio debian) as it does not see to be packaged and the 
source instructions are mainly Ubuntu.  I had previously tried rosegarden 
as of now and I could not find any notation system (or I could not 
understand how to get to it) and no mentio of the rosegarden->score which I 
wrote in the 1990s.  So unless I can find instructions for rosegarden I 
may have to hack  musescore sources.  I have used lilypond to create scores 
but not to interpret them; can it do that as well?

==John

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Tarmo Johannes wrote:

> 
> And Rosegarden, which can export also csound score.
> T
> 
> 15.02.2016 16:56 kirjutas kuupäeval "Richard" :
>       Musescore (https://musescore.com/) is another one...
>
>       Richard
>
>       On 15/02/16 15:51, Anders Genell wrote:
>       Lilypond (www.lilypond.org)? Or Frescobaldi
>       (www.frescobaldi.org) for lilypond with more eyecandy?
> 
> Or did you mean to scan and interpret your hand written scores
> automatically?
> 
> Regards,
> Anders
> 
> On Mon, Feb 15, 2016 at 3:46 PM, jpff  wrote:
>       I recently (like yesterday) unearthed some scores I
>       wrote in the early
>       1960s, all in normal western notation, hand written. 
>       I was wondering
>       about taking some of it into Csound to hear what I
>       wrote (I am not a
>       performer of suitable expertise on any instrument
>       beyond the
>       computer).  Last time I did this I used Rosegarden
>       (1996 edition) but
>       the software has changed and the 1996 code needs X
>       libraries that have
>       changed.  Is there any Linux software, preferably
>       free, that can take
>       notation to MIDI or Csound?
>       ==John ffitch
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OpenuSE does not use apt.  Itt has yast or zypper getting .rpm files

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Rory Walsh wrote:

> apt-get install musescore works fine for me? 
> 
> On 15 February 2016 at 15:45, jpff  wrote:
>       Thank you for the quick responses.
>
>       I cannot see how to install musescore on any machine in my system
>       (various OpenSuSE, one non audio debian) as it does not see to be
>       packaged and the source instructions are mainly Ubuntu.  I had
>       previously tried rosegarden as of now and I could not find any
>       notation system (or I could not understand how to get to it) and
>       no mentio of the rosegarden->score which I wrote in the 1990s.  So
>       unless I can find instructions for rosegarden I may have to hack 
>       musescore sources.  I have used lilypond to create scores but not
>       to interpret them; can it do that as well?
>
>       ==John
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On 15 February 2016 at 16:14, jpff  wrote:
> OpenuSE does not use apt.  Itt has yast or zypper getting .rpm files

The download instructions:

https://musescore.org/en/download#Community-packages-%28usually-up-to-date%29

has a section for OpenSUSE:

"The latest RPM packages for openSUSE can be downloaded from the
multimedia:musescore2 repository of the Open BuildService. The easiest
way is to use the 1-Click Install (click "Show unstable packages")."

(I'm a +1 for musescore too, it's a very well put together system)

Gareth

>
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Rory Walsh wrote:
>
>> apt-get install musescore works fine for me?
>>
>> On 15 February 2016 at 15:45, jpff  wrote:
>>       Thank you for the quick responses.
>>
>>       I cannot see how to install musescore on any machine in my system
>>       (various OpenSuSE, one non audio debian) as it does not see to be
>>       packaged and the source instructions are mainly Ubuntu.  I had
>>       previously tried rosegarden as of now and I could not find any
>>       notation system (or I could not understand how to get to it) and
>>       no mentio of the rosegarden->score which I wrote in the 1990s.  So
>>       unless I can find instructions for rosegarden I may have to hack
>>       musescore sources.  I have used lilypond to create scores but not
>>       to interpret them; can it do that as well?
>>
>>       ==John
>>
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Hi,

I am on openSuse, too, in kicker rpm:musescore took me to the page
https://software.opensuse.org/package/musescore

and there is nice recent community prepared packages. (Did not install  it 
myself right now but remember having used it before)

Greetings,
tarmo

On Monday 15 February 2016 16:14:00 you wrote:
> OpenuSE does not use apt.  Itt has yast or zypper getting .rpm files
> 
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Rory Walsh wrote:
> > apt-get install musescore works fine for me? 
> > 
> > On 15 February 2016 at 15:45, jpff  wrote:
> >       Thank you for the quick responses.
> >       
> >       I cannot see how to install musescore on any machine in my system
> >       (various OpenSuSE, one non audio debian) as it does not see to be
> >       packaged and the source instructions are mainly Ubuntu.  I had
> >       previously tried rosegarden as of now and I could not find any
> >       notation system (or I could not understand how to get to it) and
> >       no mentio of the rosegarden->score which I wrote in the 1990s.  So
> >       unless I can find instructions for rosegarden I may have to hack 
> >       musescore sources.  I have used lilypond to create scores but not
> >       to interpret them; can it do that as well?
> >       
> >       ==John
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More on rosegarden.I cannot see how to start  It offers a clickable edit 
notation button but it does nothing. Also nags about jack which I do not 
use and seems unrelated to my view of music (track?  No-way!)

Musescore does not build and has lots of dependencies  to case.

Perhaps I should stick with beats from csound.

Would ave like a lilypond output though.

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Indeed, Lilypond and Frescobaldi is a very nice pair to do beautiful engraving.
T

My Debian ("jessie", and "squeeze" before that) has apt-get.

On 02/15/2016 11:33 AM, Rory Walsh wrote:
> Whoops. I thought Debian had apt-get too. My bad..
>
> On 15 February 2016 at 16:32, jpff  > wrote:
>
>     More on rosegarden.I cannot see how to start  It offers a clickable
>     edit notation button but it does nothing. Also nags about jack which
>     I do not use and seems unrelated to my view of music (track?  No-way!)
>
>     Musescore does not build and has lots of dependencies  to case.
>
>     Perhaps I should stick with beats from csound.
>
>     Would ave like a lilypond output though.
>
>     ==John
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Quite -- but my computers are OpenSuSE.  The debian computer is a firewall 
-- no audio and headless.

I found the reference to an OpenSuSE rpm but totally failed to find it 
from yast.  Perhaps I need a beats->lilypond translater.

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, PMA wrote:

> My Debian ("jessie", and "squeeze" before that) has apt-get.
>
> On 02/15/2016 11:33 AM, Rory Walsh wrote:
>> Whoops. I thought Debian had apt-get too. My bad..
>> 
>> On 15 February 2016 at 16:32, jpff > > wrote:
>>
>>     More on rosegarden.I cannot see how to start  It offers a clickable
>>     edit notation button but it does nothing. Also nags about jack which
>>     I do not use and seems unrelated to my view of music (track?  No-way!)
>>
>>     Musescore does not build and has lots of dependencies  to case.
>>
>>     Perhaps I should stick with beats from csound.
>>
>>     Would ave like a lilypond output though.
>>
>>     ==John

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I am beginning to suspect so.  I finally got musescore (or rather mscore) 
installed.  ust needed an hour of detective work to find the 
repoisitory.  Now I just need to find out why it crashes before I do 
anything.

Or put another way, find out what
Sample::decompressOggVorbis: open failed: File contains data in an 
unimplemented format.
means and stop it doing that

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Rory Walsh wrote:

>       I found the reference to an OpenSuSE rpm but totally failed to
>       find it from yast.  Perhaps I need a beats->lilypond translater.
> 
> 
> In your case John it would probably be quicker than trying to install and use
> a GUI application! 

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I admit I don't fully understand what it is you are trying to accomplish, and my lilypond recommendation was thus perhaps a bit off?

I assumed you wanted to use your handwritten musical score (bars, clefs, notes and all that) as a basis for writing the same music into a some notation software that could output e.g. MIDI. 

Lilypond can output midi, if you manage to transcribe your score into lilypond code. 

But when you mentioned beats->lilypond you lost me completely...

Regards,
Anders 

> 15 feb. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev jpff :
> 
> I am beginning to suspect so.  I finally got musescore (or rather mscore) installed.  ust needed an hour of detective work to find the repoisitory.  Now I just need to find out why it crashes before I do anything.
> 
> Or put another way, find out what
> Sample::decompressOggVorbis: open failed: File contains data in an unimplemented format.
> means and stop it doing that
> 
>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Rory Walsh wrote:
>> 
>>      I found the reference to an OpenSuSE rpm but totally failed to
>>      find it from yast.  Perhaps I need a beats->lilypond translater.
>> In your case John it would probably be quicker than trying to install and use
>> a GUI application! 
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I use lilypond exclusively. But I am aware of the midi drawbacks as well as articulations (trills etc). Though it's possible to import articulations lilypond file. If I understood Scheme better, I would love to contribute to their midi functionalities, even add OSC, as of now it only runs on 16 midi channels, on top of that it's not possible to do any midi manipulations like with Sibelius. For a classically trained computer musician, I would really want to see lilypond developed better when it comes to event handling.

2016-02-15 19:53 GMT+01:00 Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie>:

I found the reference to an OpenSuSE rpm but totally failed to find it from yast.  Perhaps I need a beats->lilypond translater.

In your case John it would probably be quicker than trying to install and use a GUI application! 

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I did not realise that lilypond could output MIDI.  I had been serching 
the documentation on and off all day.  Just found it.  Still 
beats->lilypond would be good to have.  Think I will go with lilypond for 
now, perhaps with a GUI.  The musescore input did seem nice -- just a 
shame it crashes.  Also need to develop a csound orc to receive the MIDI.


On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Anders Genell wrote:

> I admit I don't fully understand what it is you are trying to accomplish, and my lilypond recommendation was thus perhaps a bit off?
>
> I assumed you wanted to use your handwritten musical score (bars, clefs, notes and all that) as a basis for writing the same music into a some notation software that could output e.g. MIDI.
>
> Lilypond can output midi, if you manage to transcribe your score into lilypond code.
>
> But when you mentioned beats->lilypond you lost me completely...
>
> Regards,
> Anders
>
>> 15 feb. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev jpff :
>>
>> I am beginning to suspect so.  I finally got musescore (or rather mscore) installed.  ust needed an hour of detective work to find the repoisitory.  Now I just need to find out why it crashes before I do anything.
>>
>> Or put another way, find out what
>> Sample::decompressOggVorbis: open failed: File contains data in an unimplemented format.
>> means and stop it doing that
>>
>>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>      I found the reference to an OpenSuSE rpm but totally failed to
>>>      find it from yast.  Perhaps I need a beats->lilypond translater.
>>> In your case John it would probably be quicker than trying to install and use
>>> a GUI application!
>>

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Hi,

if you are still interested giving a chance to MuseScore, I report that for 
openSuse you can install it with 1-click package from 
https://software.opensuse.org/package/musescore (show unstable packages).
At least on openSuse Leap it installed within a minute and worked out of the 
box.

Just for info, Lilipond is great. 

greetings,
tarmo

On Monday 15 February 2016 20:04:39 you wrote:
> I did not realise that lilypond could output MIDI.  I had been serching
> the documentation on and off all day.  Just found it.  Still
> beats->lilypond would be good to have.  Think I will go with lilypond for
> now, perhaps with a GUI.  The musescore input did seem nice -- just a
> shame it crashes.  Also need to develop a csound orc to receive the MIDI.
> 
> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Anders Genell wrote:
> > I admit I don't fully understand what it is you are trying to accomplish,
> > and my lilypond recommendation was thus perhaps a bit off?
> > 
> > I assumed you wanted to use your handwritten musical score (bars, clefs,
> > notes and all that) as a basis for writing the same music into a some
> > notation software that could output e.g. MIDI.
> > 
> > Lilypond can output midi, if you manage to transcribe your score into
> > lilypond code.
> > 
> > But when you mentioned beats->lilypond you lost me completely...
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Anders
> > 
> >> 15 feb. 2016 kl. 20:03 skrev jpff :
> >> 
> >> I am beginning to suspect so.  I finally got musescore (or rather mscore)
> >> installed.  ust needed an hour of detective work to find the
> >> repoisitory.  Now I just need to find out why it crashes before I do
> >> anything.
> >> 
> >> Or put another way, find out what
> >> Sample::decompressOggVorbis: open failed: File contains data in an
> >> unimplemented format. means and stop it doing that
> >> 
> >>> On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Rory Walsh wrote:
> >>>      I found the reference to an OpenSuSE rpm but totally failed to
> >>>      find it from yast.  Perhaps I need a beats->lilypond translater.
> >>> 
> >>> In your case John it would probably be quicker than trying to install
> >>> and use a GUI application!
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I a losing faith in software!  Installed frescobaldi from repositiry plus 
a couple of dependencies).  But does it run -- no!

Traceback (most recent call last):
   File "/usr/bin/frescobaldi", line 3, in 
     import frescobaldi_app.main
   File "/usr/lib/python2.7/site-packages/frescobaldi_app/main.py", line 
26, in 
     import sip
ImportError: No module named sip

Today every software system I have tried has failed on at leastt oe fatal 
way.  So I think plain lilypond must be the answer.



On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, jpff wrote:

> I did not realise that lilypond could output MIDI.  I had been serching the 
> documentation on and off all day.  Just found it.  Still beats->lilypond 
> would be good to have.  Think I will go with lilypond for now, perhaps with a 
> GUI.  The musescore input did seem nice -- just a shame it crashes.  Also 
> need to develop a csound orc to receive the MIDI.
>

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On 02/15/16 15:34, jpff wrote:
> I a losing faith in software!

this is a sign of either enlightenment or madness [little functional
difference, really].

and, of course, it is the &#@($ programmers or packagers whom are
ultimately responsible for your present conundrums.

the more i use lilypond the more i like it. from what i understand
you're trying to avoid having to re-notate the entire thing in a new
format. on the good side, you probably will learn something new about
your music if you end up writing it all out again. then again, there may
be other things you'd rather be learning with this time ...

Not tried pip -- not at all familiar with python; well I tried "pip sip" 
and it suggested I ment zip, so was not  sure what pip is/was. 
Frescobaldi was installed from the package so tat must be wrong.

I will try pip again, but slightly worried about the use of poppler which 
I do not use

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Hlöðver Sigurðsson wrote:

> Still looking at the error, it looks like missing Python libraries, did you
> try finding it from pip ("pip install sip" ?)
>

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pip says tee is no such module

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Hlöðver Sigurðsson wrote:

> Still looking at the error, it looks like missing Python libraries, did you
> try finding it from pip ("pip install sip" ?)
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I am not buiding from source -- using the supplied package.   I do not 
want to get tied up with python.  I really hope Csound is better packaged 
with only libsndfile as a dependency -- but I buid Csound from source with 
little hassle.

Time to give up on that approach and back to straight lilypond, with a 
side order of beats-lilypond as an easier input language

Sorry to have monopolised the list today, but it is time to do someing
constructive, like cook!

On Mon, 15 Feb 2016, Hlöðver Sigurðsson wrote:

> sip is part of PyQt, so if you are building from source you will need PyQt
> 
> From their website:
> 
> Installation order:
>
>  *  Install Python 3.2 or higher or Python 2.7 (not 2.7.0)
>  *  Install PyQt4, using the same Python version of course.
>  *  Install python-ly
>  *  Install Frescobaldi (will work, but without PDF and MIDI support)
>  *  Install Python-Poppler-Qt
>  *  Install Python-PortMidi. If this one is difficult to install, you can also
>     use Pygame, which too contains the Python-PortMidi library.
> 
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Just an update.

1: musescore:  The version in the repository is suspect, 
but starting with -s flag allowed it to wor.  Rather tedious input bmethod 
but I transcibed a shortt 12-bar SAT piece.  TheMIDI outout is fine for my 
use, but the PDF is poor.

2: Frescobaldi is still unusable, and oddly is not available packaed for 
my desk macine, only the laptop.  I have given up on it for now but 
returned to lilypond.  Nice output, better input metds but syntax hard to 
iternalise.  Anyway produced same piece quite quickly with few errors.
Not yet tried to generate MIDI from lilypond.

#one ting I aied to do in eiter system is to hav the poece startt on the 
tird beat of the bar and end early in the bar.  In usescore I ended up wit 
explicit rests which is ugly.  In lilypond I tried both s and \skip which 
did not print the rests but left the space for them, so not really good. 
Been reading pages of manual to little efet.

==John ff

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I am now using Musescore, but I have  worked with Frescobaldi and 
lilypond and it's a great combination. I don't think it's good that 
lilypond does not respect retrocompatibility for its syntax though.

I remember having trouble with the python modules in Ubuntu and having 
to install them from each developer. I think I even had Frescobaldi 
working in one of the flavors of puppy linux!

articulate.ly is a must for Midi output in lilypond. If I'm 
understanding you right John, what you need is 
(http://www.lilypond.org/doc/v2.18/Documentation/learning/advanced-rhythmic-commands#partial-measure).

On 16/02/16 18:06, jpff wrote:
> Just an update.
>
> 1: musescore:  The version in the repository is suspect, but starting 
> with -s flag allowed it to wor.  Rather tedious input bmethod but I 
> transcibed a shortt 12-bar SAT piece.  TheMIDI outout is fine for my 
> use, but the PDF is poor.
>
> 2: Frescobaldi is still unusable, and oddly is not available packaed 
> for my desk macine, only the laptop.  I have given up on it for now 
> but returned to lilypond.  Nice output, better input metds but syntax 
> hard to iternalise.  Anyway produced same piece quite quickly with few 
> errors.
> Not yet tried to generate MIDI from lilypond.
>
> #one ting I aied to do in eiter system is to hav the poece startt on 
> the tird beat of the bar and end early in the bar.  In usescore I 
> ended up wit explicit rests which is ugly.  In lilypond I tried both s 
> and \skip which did not print the rests but left the space for them, 
> so not really good. Been reading pages of manual to little efet.
>
> ==John ff
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