Hi all,


Here i reproduced the canonical C4-E4-G4. Each note will be fine played, but
the three together !

What happens exactly ? Again the known beat effect ? Strange... And the way
to obtain a good sound instead this noise ? Again Jitter2 ? If someone can
takes a few minutes to heard that (or  is still knowing the problem) and to
explain in some words what happens, i'm very very very interested... Or it's
really impossible to make this kind of polyphony C4-E4-G4 ?

The uplooaded file is the same as here in text.


Much thank's for advance,

Greatings,

Sergio





-odac


sr		=	48000
ksmps		=	1
nchnls		=	2
0dbfs		=	1

		instr	1
kamp		=	0.3
asig1		oscil	kamp, 261.626, 1	;C4
asig2		oscil	kamp, 329.628, 1	;E4
asig3		oscil	kamp, 391.995, 1	;G4
asig		=	asig1 + asig2 + asig3
	outs	asig, asig
		endin


f1 0 16384 10 1

i1	0	8	1
e





sergio.csd   




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Maybe you react to the beating of 12 tone equal temperament?
If you do for example:
asig1           oscil3   kamp, 261.626, 1        ;C4 (1:1)
asig2           oscil3   kamp, 327.0325, 1        ;E4 (5:4)
asig3           oscil3   kamp, 392.439, 1        ;G4 (3:2)
Here we have slight deviations to the tunings you've used, using
integer ratios instead of 12TET.
I also used a more precise oscillator, but I suspect it is the tuning
that you refer to as unwanted noise(?)

2015-10-24 23:21 GMT+02:00 COCHEDELAFERTE :
> Hi all,
>
>
> Here i reproduced the canonical C4-E4-G4. Each note will be fine played, but
> the three together !
>
> What happens exactly ? Again the known beat effect ? Strange... And the way
> to obtain a good sound instead this noise ? Again Jitter2 ? If someone can
> takes a few minutes to heard that (or  is still knowing the problem) and to
> explain in some words what happens, i'm very very very interested... Or it's
> really impossible to make this kind of polyphony C4-E4-G4 ?
>
> The uplooaded file is the same as here in text.
>
>
> Much thank's for advance,
>
> Greatings,
>
> Sergio
>
>
>
> 
> 
> -odac
> 
> 
> sr              =       48000
> ksmps           =       1
> nchnls          =       2
> 0dbfs           =       1
>
>                 instr   1
> kamp            =       0.3
> asig1           oscil   kamp, 261.626, 1        ;C4
> asig2           oscil   kamp, 329.628, 1        ;E4
> asig3           oscil   kamp, 391.995, 1        ;G4
> asig            =       asig1 + asig2 + asig3
>         outs    asig, asig
>                 endin
> 
> 
> f1 0 16384 10 1
>
> i1      0       8       1
> e
> 
> 
>
>
>
> sergio.csd 
>
>
>
>
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Hello,

Whenever I try -+max_str_len=1000 in the command-line I get this error:

WARNING:  *** error setting option 'max_str_len' to '10000': invalid 
variable name


Thanks,
P

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It is just beating. I set the intervals to octaves and heard pure sine
tones. I set them to just intonation as Oeyvind did and still heard
beating, and saw it in the soundfile editor. There were no clicks or
other artifacts, zooming in just showed beating.

I think this is just the way it is.

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On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 7:35 PM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg
 wrote:
> Maybe you react to the beating of 12 tone equal temperament?
> If you do for example:
> asig1           oscil3   kamp, 261.626, 1        ;C4 (1:1)
> asig2           oscil3   kamp, 327.0325, 1        ;E4 (5:4)
> asig3           oscil3   kamp, 392.439, 1        ;G4 (3:2)
> Here we have slight deviations to the tunings you've used, using
> integer ratios instead of 12TET.
> I also used a more precise oscillator, but I suspect it is the tuning
> that you refer to as unwanted noise(?)
>
> 2015-10-24 23:21 GMT+02:00 COCHEDELAFERTE :
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Here i reproduced the canonical C4-E4-G4. Each note will be fine played, but
>> the three together !
>>
>> What happens exactly ? Again the known beat effect ? Strange... And the way
>> to obtain a good sound instead this noise ? Again Jitter2 ? If someone can
>> takes a few minutes to heard that (or  is still knowing the problem) and to
>> explain in some words what happens, i'm very very very interested... Or it's
>> really impossible to make this kind of polyphony C4-E4-G4 ?
>>
>> The uplooaded file is the same as here in text.
>>
>>
>> Much thank's for advance,
>>
>> Greatings,
>>
>> Sergio
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> -odac
>> 
>> 
>> sr              =       48000
>> ksmps           =       1
>> nchnls          =       2
>> 0dbfs           =       1
>>
>>                 instr   1
>> kamp            =       0.3
>> asig1           oscil   kamp, 261.626, 1        ;C4
>> asig2           oscil   kamp, 329.628, 1        ;E4
>> asig3           oscil   kamp, 391.995, 1        ;G4
>> asig            =       asig1 + asig2 + asig3
>>         outs    asig, asig
>>                 endin
>> 
>> 
>> f1 0 16384 10 1
>>
>> i1      0       8       1
>> e
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> sergio.csd 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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I thought the same thing as you Oeyvind. So I generated the frequencies 
in Audacity, and of course you get (practically) the same result in there.

On 24/10/15 20:35, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> Maybe you react to the beating of 12 tone equal temperament?
> If you do for example:
> asig1           oscil3   kamp, 261.626, 1        ;C4 (1:1)
> asig2           oscil3   kamp, 327.0325, 1        ;E4 (5:4)
> asig3           oscil3   kamp, 392.439, 1        ;G4 (3:2)
> Here we have slight deviations to the tunings you've used, using
> integer ratios instead of 12TET.
> I also used a more precise oscillator, but I suspect it is the tuning
> that you refer to as unwanted noise(?)
>
> 2015-10-24 23:21 GMT+02:00 COCHEDELAFERTE :
>> Hi all,
>>
>>
>> Here i reproduced the canonical C4-E4-G4. Each note will be fine played, but
>> the three together !
>>
>> What happens exactly ? Again the known beat effect ? Strange... And the way
>> to obtain a good sound instead this noise ? Again Jitter2 ? If someone can
>> takes a few minutes to heard that (or  is still knowing the problem) and to
>> explain in some words what happens, i'm very very very interested... Or it's
>> really impossible to make this kind of polyphony C4-E4-G4 ?
>>
>> The uplooaded file is the same as here in text.
>>
>>
>> Much thank's for advance,
>>
>> Greatings,
>>
>> Sergio
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> 
>> -odac
>> 
>> 
>> sr              =       48000
>> ksmps           =       1
>> nchnls          =       2
>> 0dbfs           =       1
>>
>>                  instr   1
>> kamp            =       0.3
>> asig1           oscil   kamp, 261.626, 1        ;C4
>> asig2           oscil   kamp, 329.628, 1        ;E4
>> asig3           oscil   kamp, 391.995, 1        ;G4
>> asig            =       asig1 + asig2 + asig3
>>          outs    asig, asig
>>                  endin
>> 
>> 
>> f1 0 16384 10 1
>>
>> i1      0       8       1
>> e
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>>
>> sergio.csd 
>>
>>
>>
>>
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There is no maximum string length -- it was removed

On Sun, 25 Oct 2015, Peiman Khosravi wrote:

> Hello,
>
> Whenever I try -+max_str_len=1000 in the command-line I get this error:
>
> WARNING:  *** error setting option 'max_str_len' to '10000': invalid variable 
> name
>
>
> Thanks,
> P
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Hi all,


Oh, a lot of precious ideas and informations for me ! Very great thank's to
all ; i'll answer to each, after i made the proposed  actions ; can take a
while, but now the thing is important for me..


Thank's again,
Cheers,
Sergio



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Thanks! So I need to figure out what's causing the weird behaviour... 
I'll probably send another email soon.

P

On 25/10/2015 12:12, jpff wrote:
> There is no maximum string length -- it was removed
>
> On Sun, 25 Oct 2015, Peiman Khosravi wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Whenever I try -+max_str_len=1000 in the command-line I get this error:
>>
>> WARNING:  *** error setting option 'max_str_len' to '10000': invalid 
>> variable name
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>> P
>>
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Hi all,


It's seems really that something is wrong in my installation ; can someone
please in some days play the file here on bottom (or the attached) and tell
me : "yes, by me this file produces a good sound" ?

For me, i get a very odd and noisefull vibration with the three oscils
together ; with an only one, all OK, the second also the third also.

As you can see, i modified the frequencies as proposed by Oeyvind, but
unfortunately with no change as result. I tried also 0.29 instead O3 for the
amplitude, also no change as result.

My soundcard is just a built-in ICH10, seems to work correctly with other
sound sources ; and also Csound, except this case !

Xeon 3570, 12 Go RAM.

I'm on Debian Wheezy, with the afferent Csound version (5.17).
Currently, i'm working whith Jack : i tried with the default Portaudio, i
tried with ALSA alone : no  change, same issue.
Currently, my sr is 1 ; i tried with 10, with 100, with 1000 : same issue.




-odac


sr		=	48000
ksmps		=	1
nchnls		=	2
0dbfs		=	1

		instr	1
kamp		=	0.3
asig1		oscil3	kamp, 261.626, 1	;C4
asig2		oscil3	kamp, 327.0325, 1	;E4
asig3		oscil3	kamp, 392.439, 1	;G4
asig		=	asig1 + asig2 + asig3
	outs	asig, asig
		endin


f1 0 65536 10 1

i1	0	8	1
e




sergio.csd   


Thank's for advance !
Best regards,
Sergio






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Hey Sergio,

What happens if you don't do real-time output? Could you upload, say, 5 
seconds of the .wav produced to somewhere so that we can listen to it?
It could be your Jack setup.

Cheers.

On 25/10/15 20:00, COCHEDELAFERTE wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>
> It's seems really that something is wrong in my installation ; can someone
> please in some days play the file here on bottom (or the attached) and tell
> me : "yes, by me this file produces a good sound" ?
>
> For me, i get a very odd and noisefull vibration with the three oscils
> together ; with an only one, all OK, the second also the third also.
>
> As you can see, i modified the frequencies as proposed by Oeyvind, but
> unfortunately with no change as result. I tried also 0.29 instead O3 for the
> amplitude, also no change as result.
>
> My soundcard is just a built-in ICH10, seems to work correctly with other
> sound sources ; and also Csound, except this case !
>
> Xeon 3570, 12 Go RAM.
>
> I'm on Debian Wheezy, with the afferent Csound version (5.17).
> Currently, i'm working whith Jack : i tried with the default Portaudio, i
> tried with ALSA alone : no  change, same issue.
> Currently, my sr is 1 ; i tried with 10, with 100, with 1000 : same issue.
>
>
> 
> 
> -odac
> 
> 
> sr		=	48000
> ksmps		=	1
> nchnls		=	2
> 0dbfs		=	1
>
> 		instr	1
> kamp		=	0.3
> asig1		oscil3	kamp, 261.626, 1	;C4
> asig2		oscil3	kamp, 327.0325, 1	;E4
> asig3		oscil3	kamp, 392.439, 1	;G4
> asig		=	asig1 + asig2 + asig3
> 	outs	asig, asig
> 		endin
> 
> 
> f1 0 65536 10 1
>
> i1	0	8	1
> e
> 
> 
>
>
> sergio.csd 
>
>
> Thank's for advance !
> Best regards,
> Sergio
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi gsenna,


Great idea ! But unfortunately the problem still persists... Here everyone
can hear what i also hear can ; i joined again the source file (5 seconds).

In all cases, thank's again for this good idea !

Cheers,
Sergio


sergio.csd   

sergio.wav   



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I hear the same thing over here. It just has to do with the frequencies 
you are mixing I suppose.

Also I think you replied to a different email, and then I did the same 
thing as you did by replying to you. So we kind of hijacked this thread. 
We should probably check the subject better before replying. ;)

On 26/10/15 15:14, COCHEDELAFERTE wrote:
> Hi gsenna,
>
>
> Great idea ! But unfortunately the problem still persists... Here everyone
> can hear what i also hear can ; i joined again the source file (5 seconds).
>
> In all cases, thank's again for this good idea !
>
> Cheers,
> Sergio
>
>
> sergio.csd 
>
> sergio.wav 
>
>
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