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Date2015-07-01 14:06
Fromcognition
SubjectRecipes for additive synthesis?
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Does anyone know of a resource online that outlines the approximate amplitudes of harmonics for different instruments?





Thanks for any help

Aaron

Date2015-07-01 14:25
From"F. Silvain"
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
cognition, Jul 1 2015:

> Does anyone know of a resource online that outlines the approximate
> amplitudes of harmonics for different instruments?
No, but... If you are sighted you can easily use a spectrum analyser. On Linux there is JAAA and JAPA for example:
http://kokkinizita.linuxaudio.org
Otherwise I'd be interested too in such a website.
In the appendix of the Csound manual, there are some "modal frequencies" for a couple of sounds. But no amplitudes are given. So I suspect more theory is required to actually make good use of those.
Sorry not to give a complete answer, but I hope it helps.
...

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Date2015-07-01 14:46
Fromthorin kerr
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
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There's the Sharc timbre database by Greg Sandell
And, Steven Yi made a csd and blue file of these on his old Csounds.com page

Thorin




On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 11:06 PM, cognition <fixation.cognition@gmail.com> wrote:
Does anyone know of a resource online that outlines the approximate amplitudes of harmonics for different instruments?





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Date2015-07-01 15:12
FromIain McCurdy
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
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I have an example that uses GEN10 tables to imitate a range of acoustic instruments. Multiple tables are used for each instrument to cover a range of pitches and ftmorf is used to fill in the gaps.
Each table covers the first 100 harmonic partials and were generated using a slightly automated process with this:

There's also a version for Cabbage:

Iain


From: fixation.cognition@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 06:06:28 -0700
To: csound-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Csnd] Recipes for additive synthesis?

Does anyone know of a resource online that outlines the approximate amplitudes of harmonics for different instruments?





Thanks for any help

Aaron

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Date2015-07-01 17:56
Fromcognition
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
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Thanks all for the links. The tables of WavetableSynth are precisely what I hoped to find. :)

On Wed, Jul 1, 2015 at 7:12 AM, Iain McCurdy <i_mccurdy@hotmail.com> wrote:
I have an example that uses GEN10 tables to imitate a range of acoustic instruments. Multiple tables are used for each instrument to cover a range of pitches and ftmorf is used to fill in the gaps.
Each table covers the first 100 harmonic partials and were generated using a slightly automated process with this:

There's also a version for Cabbage:

Iain


From: fixation.cognition@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 06:06:28 -0700
To: csound-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Csnd] Recipes for additive synthesis?

Does anyone know of a resource online that outlines the approximate amplitudes of harmonics for different instruments?





Thanks for any help

Aaron

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Date2015-07-02 08:51
FromRichard
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
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Fascinating, I will certainly try that.
What struck me when looking at some curves in the SHARC timbre database, that (for instance for a trumpet) each note has quite a different spectrum, even notes that are a semi tone apart... I guess it has to to with formants and resonance, and it partly explains the richness of real instruments.

Richard

On 01/07/15 16:12, Iain McCurdy wrote:
I have an example that uses GEN10 tables to imitate a range of acoustic instruments. Multiple tables are used for each instrument to cover a range of pitches and ftmorf is used to fill in the gaps.
Each table covers the first 100 harmonic partials and were generated using a slightly automated process with this:

There's also a version for Cabbage:

Iain


From: fixation.cognition@gmail.com
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 06:06:28 -0700
To: csound-users@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: [Csnd] Recipes for additive synthesis?

Does anyone know of a resource online that outlines the approximate amplitudes of harmonics for different instruments?





Thanks for any help

Aaron

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Date2015-07-02 09:37
FromGabriele Battaglia
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
> On 01/07/15 16:12, Iain McCurdy wrote:
> I have an example that uses GEN10 tables to imitate a range of
> acoustic instruments. Multiple tables are used for each instrument to
> cover a range of pitches and ftmorf is used to fill in the gaps.
> http://www.iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/AdditiveSynthesis/ftmorph.csd
Hi Iain.
Is there a shortcut to change instrument, provided in the above example?
Thanks.
Gabriel.

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Date2015-07-02 14:04
FromIain McCurdy
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
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Hi Gabriel,
What sort of short cut do you mean? At the moment instruments are changed using a GUI counter which is pretty quick. Have I misunderstood?
Bye,
Iain

> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 10:37:21 +0200
> From: iz4apu@libero.it
> To: csound-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Recipes for additive synthesis?
>
> > On 01/07/15 16:12, Iain McCurdy wrote:
> > I have an example that uses GEN10 tables to imitate a range of
> > acoustic instruments. Multiple tables are used for each instrument to
> > cover a range of pitches and ftmorf is used to fill in the gaps.
> > http://www.iainmccurdy.org/CsoundRealtimeExamples/AdditiveSynthesis/ftmorph.csd
> Hi Iain.
> Is there a shortcut to change instrument, provided in the above example?
> Thanks.
> Gabriel.
>
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Date2015-07-02 14:07
Fromebmtranceboy
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
thorin kerr wrote
> And, Steven Yi made a csd and blue file of these on his old Csounds.com
> page
> <http://www.csounds.com/stevenyi/>

Steven, can you confirm that the blue and csd files are unusable as such
(the phase arguments of oscili are given in degrees whereas they are between
0 and 1 now) ?



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Date2015-07-02 14:22
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
The oscili parameter ranges were never changed. Phases were always normalised (0-1).
========================
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> On 2 Jul 2015, at 15:07, ebmtranceboy  wrote:
> 
> thorin kerr wrote
>> And, Steven Yi made a csd and blue file of these on his old Csounds.com
>> page
>> <http://www.csounds.com/stevenyi/>
> 
> Steven, can you confirm that the blue and csd files are unusable as such
> (the phase arguments of oscili are given in degrees whereas they are between
> 0 and 1 now) ?
> 
> 
> 
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Date2015-07-02 14:44
FromGabriele Battaglia
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?

Reply to the Iain McCurdy's message, wrote on 02/07/2015 at 15:04:
> Hi Gabriel,
> What sort of short cut do you mean? At the moment instruments are
> changed using a GUI counter which is pretty quick. Have I misunderstood?
Hi Iain.
I can't use the mouse as I'm blind and, as I was able to listen to the 
sound just by pressing keys, I was hoping there were also some keys to 
change the active instrument.
Sorry if it is not, no matter.

Gabriel.

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Date2015-07-02 15:36
FromIain McCurdy
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
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Hi Gabriel,

If you download the file again you can now change instruments using the keyboard cursor up and down keys. The terminal window will need to be in focus when doing this. The instrument names are also printed to the terminal, I'm hoping this means they'll be read out.

Bye,
Iain  

> Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:44:28 +0200
> From: iz4apu@libero.it
> To: csound-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Recipes for additive synthesis?
>
>
>
> Reply to the Iain McCurdy's message, wrote on 02/07/2015 at 15:04:
> > Hi Gabriel,
> > What sort of short cut do you mean? At the moment instruments are
> > changed using a GUI counter which is pretty quick. Have I misunderstood?
> Hi Iain.
> I can't use the mouse as I'm blind and, as I was able to listen to the
> sound just by pressing keys, I was hoping there were also some keys to
> change the active instrument.
> Sorry if it is not, no matter.
>
> Gabriel.
>
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Date2015-07-02 16:50
FromSteven Yi
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
Hi Joel,

I think you're right.  I wrote the converter code a long time ago, and
from the date of the CSD file (August 7, 2001), I imagine I didn't
know what I was doing. :) I did find the original Java code I used at
[1], which might be useful as a start for a better program or script.
I wouldn't recommend using CSD or Blue file I had done these days.

steven

[1] - https://github.com/kunstmusik/blue/blob/766a09b5b15dc0de4a00ff8147377e6d792a15a3/blue-core/src/blue/utility/blueSHARC.java

On Thu, Jul 2, 2015 at 9:07 AM, ebmtranceboy  wrote:
> thorin kerr wrote
>> And, Steven Yi made a csd and blue file of these on his old Csounds.com
>> page
>> <http://www.csounds.com/stevenyi/>
>
> Steven, can you confirm that the blue and csd files are unusable as such
> (the phase arguments of oscili are given in degrees whereas they are between
> 0 and 1 now) ?
>
>
>
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Date2015-07-02 17:22
Fromebmtranceboy
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
Thank you for confirmation, Steven.
So basically in the java code

double degrees = Math.toDegrees(Double
                            .parseDouble((String) a.nextElement()));

should be replaced by 

double degrees = (1.0+Math.toDegrees(Double.parseDouble((String)
a.nextElement()))/180.0)/2.0;





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Date2015-07-03 08:31
FromGabriele Battaglia
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?

Reply to the Iain McCurdy's message, wrote on 02/07/2015 at 16:36:
> Hi Gabriel,
Good morning Iain.

>
> If you download the file again you can now change instruments using the
> keyboard cursor up and down keys. The terminal window will need to be in
> focus when doing this. The instrument names are also printed to the
> terminal, I'm hoping this means they'll be read out.
First of all, ALL my gratitude to have spent your time in order to bring 
this new feature just for few people with so particular needs. Really, 
thank you.
I've redownloaded the script and it seems not working.
With the virtual keyboard focused, where the note keys work, the up and 
down arrows have no effect.
CSound 6.05, under Windows 7.

Under Mac OS I had an error on FLs components.

Does your script have a version number? I suspect my browser had taken 
it from the cache instead to redownload it again. How could I check in 
order to be sure it is up to date?
Bye.
Gabriel.

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Date2015-07-03 09:34
FromIain McCurdy
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?
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Hi Gabriel,

I am happy to make these examples more accessible for all.
The latest csd starts with a list of the instrument names so you can identify it through this.
I have tested it on MacOS 10.6 and Win 8.1 and both work. Remember that the terminal window needs to be in focus when using the cursor keys, it won't work if the virtual keyboard or any other window is in focus.
Are you running it through CsoundQt? It might be worth just running it from a terminal window, Qt and FLTK incompatibility could be the reason for your error on MacOS.

Hope this helps,
Iain

> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:31:01 +0200
> From: iz4apu@libero.it
> To: csound-users@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] Recipes for additive synthesis?
>
>
>
> Reply to the Iain McCurdy's message, wrote on 02/07/2015 at 16:36:
> > Hi Gabriel,
> Good morning Iain.
>
> >
> > If you download the file again you can now change instruments using the
> > keyboard cursor up and down keys. The terminal window will need to be in
> > focus when doing this. The instrument names are also printed to the
> > terminal, I'm hoping this means they'll be read out.
> First of all, ALL my gratitude to have spent your time in order to bring
> this new feature just for few people with so particular needs. Really,
> thank you.
> I've redownloaded the script and it seems not working.
> With the virtual keyboard focused, where the note keys work, the up and
> down arrows have no effect.
> CSound 6.05, under Windows 7.
>
> Under Mac OS I had an error on FLs components.
>
> Does your script have a version number? I suspect my browser had taken
> it from the cache instead to redownload it again. How could I check in
> order to be sure it is up to date?
> Bye.
> Gabriel.
>
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Date2015-07-03 12:21
FromGabriele Battaglia
SubjectRe: Recipes for additive synthesis?

Reply to the Iain McCurdy's message, wrote on 03/07/2015 at 10:34:
> Hi Gabriel,
>
> I am happy to make these examples more accessible for all.
> The latest csd starts with a list of the instrument names so you can
> identify it through this.
> I have tested it on MacOS 10.6 and Win 8.1 and both work. Remember that
> the terminal window needs to be in focus when using the cursor keys, it
> won't work if the virtual keyboard or any other window is in focus.
Hi Iain.
It works fine now!
Thank you very much.
Gabriel.

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