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Date2015-06-28 21:12
Fromjpff
SubjectRe: Wavetable synthesis - morphing waves?
Is the pvcross technique of any interest?  A different kind of morf
==John ffitch

; test instruments for new pvs opcodes
;
sr = 44100
kr = 1470
ksmps = 30		; only rule: ksmps must be < fft overlap
nchnls = 2

        FLpanel "Control Panel",800,200
ih1     FLvalue "current mix", 100,20,50,20
gk1,gih FLslider  "Cross-mix", 0,100, 0, 3, ih1, 750, 20, 25, 150
        FLpanelEnd
        FLrun


instr 4
	FLsetVal_i 0, gih
; demo of pvscross, with apologies to Christopher Penrose
idur	filelen		"perotin.wav"
kpos	line		0,p3,idur	; score sets time-scaling by duration value
ain1l,ain1r	soundin		"perotin.wav"
ain2l,ain2r	soundin		"brahms.wav"
fsig1l	pvsanal		ain1l,1024,256,1024,0
fsig1r	pvsanal		ain1r,1024,256,1024,0
fsig2l	pvsanal		ain2l,1024,256,1024,0
fsig2r	pvsanal		ain2r,1024,256,1024,0
; simple transition over dur
;kcross  linseg		0,p3/3,0,p3/3,1,p3/3,1
kcross = gk1/100                                    ; read from slider
fcrossl  pvscross	fsig2l,fsig1l,1-kcross,kcross
fcrossr  pvscross	fsig2r,fsig1r,1-kcross,kcross
aoutl	pvsynth		fcrossl
aoutr	pvsynth		fcrossr
	outs		aoutl,aoutr
endin







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Date2015-06-29 19:48
From"F. Silvain"
SubjectRe: Wavetable synthesis - morphing waves?
jpff, Jun 28 2015:

> Is the pvcross technique of any interest?  A different kind of morf
Thank you John. It looked interesting as well as the other FFT-based cross-synthesis and morphing techniques, but the CPU usage is too high. I need to be able to perform about 30-40 instances of my tone-generation in parallel. For offline rendering these opcodes are just superb!
...

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Date2015-06-29 20:18
FromAnders Genell
SubjectRe: Wavetable synthesis - morphing waves?
Wouldn't it be possible to have each point in one table (e.g. through the 'tab' opcode) be morphed into each corresponding point in the other table using an ordinary linseg? Maybe linseg can even handle arrays, so that each wave table could be handled simultaneously?

Just a thought...

Regards,
Anders



> 29 jun 2015 kl. 20:48 skrev F. Silvain :
> 
> jpff, Jun 28 2015:
> 
>> Is the pvcross technique of any interest?  A different kind of morf
> Thank you John. It looked interesting as well as the other FFT-based cross-synthesis and morphing techniques, but the CPU usage is too high. I need to be able to perform about 30-40 instances of my tone-generation in parallel. For offline rendering these opcodes are just superb!
> ...
> 
> Ta-ta
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Date2015-06-30 19:39
From"F. Silvain"
SubjectRe: Wavetable synthesis - morphing waves?
Anders Genell, Jun 29 2015:

> Wouldn't it be possible to have each point in one table (e.g. through the 'tab' opcode) be morphed into each corresponding point in the other table using an ordinary linseg? Maybe linseg can even handle arrays, so that each wave table could be handled simultaneously?
Hey hey Anders,
I don't completely understand your thought. What do you mean by "each point in one table"? To extemporate:
1. Store a single-cycle wave in a function table (using gen23 or ftload or direct generation through GEN routine or GEN instruments).

2. Repeat until all required single cycle waves are present.

3. Create multiple tables holding numbers of function tables of single cycle waves. - e.g. a wavetable should contain waves stored in function table 1, 2, 3 and 4. So the wavetable ftable contains the values 1, 2, 3 and 4.

4. Repeat until all wavetables are filled.

5. Now use some technique to morph/blend between stored single cycle waves of a wavetable. You could use tabmorph or ftmorf or read audio signals from two single cycle waves, using the table or table3 opcode, and morph by interpolating the audio outputs of those stored waves. Or...?

Is your thought or method very different? I'm most interested in a clever and CPU-friendly way to morph between those waves. So far only weighted mean values spring to mind. That's how the classic wavetable synths did it.
...

Ta-ta
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Date2015-06-30 19:54
FromMenno Knevel
SubjectRe: Wavetable synthesis - morphing waves?
as it happens, i was looking at uWave in Blue the other week.

I found this example in the manual that mixes between several tables. It
mixes samples and waves without discrimination, and i am thinking about
making a Blue instrument using this technique.
Of course, it is just mixing, but with the right choice in tables i think
you can get really interesting textures.



; Select audio/midi flags here according to platform
-odac     ;;;realtime audio out
;-iadc    ;;;uncomment -iadc if RT audio input is needed too
; For Non-realtime ouput leave only the line below:
; -o tableikt.wav -W ;;; for file output any platform



sr = 48000
ksmps = 32
nchnls = 2
0dbfs  = 1

instr 1

ilowfn	= p4					;lowest ftable wave
ihighfn	= p5					;highest ftable wave

kswpenv	line 1, p3, 0				;sweep envelope, calculate current table pair and
interpolation amount
inumtables = ihighfn - ilowfn			;1 less than number of tables
kfn1	= int(kswpenv*inumtables) + ilowfn
kfn1	=	kfn1 + .1
        printks "play table no: %d\n", 1, kfn1
kfn2	= kfn1 + 1
kinterp	= frac(kswpenv*inumtables)		
ixmode  = 1					;read tables with phasor
aphase	phasor	40	
asig	tableikt aphase, kfn1, ixmode		;normalized index
   if kswpenv == 1.0 kgoto skipfn2		;if kfn1 is last table, there is no kfn2
	asig2	tableikt aphase, kfn2, ixmode
   skipfn2:
   amix	ntrpol	asig, asig2, kinterp		;interpolate between tables and output
kenv	adsr	.001, 1, 1, .5
	outs	amix*.5 * kenv, amix*.5 * kenv
	
endin


f 1  0 16384 10 1  
f 2  0 16384 10 1 .5  
f 3  0 16384 1 "fox.wav" 0 0 0				;a sample
f 4  0 16384 10 1 .5 .3 .25 .2 .16 .14 .125 .111	;sawtooth 
f 5  0 16384 10 1 .4 .3 .25 .2
f 6  0 16384 10 1 .3 .3 .25 .2 .16 
f 7  0 16384 10 1  1  1  1  .7 .5  .3  .1		;pulse
f 8  0 16384 1 "beats.wav" 0 0 0			;a sample

i 1 0 10 1 8
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Date2015-06-30 21:09
FromAnders Genell
SubjectRe: Wavetable synthesis - morphing waves?
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Ha! Didn't know about ftmorf - it seems to do what I had in mind in an obfuscated way...

Regards,
Anders

On Tue, Jun 30, 2015 at 8:39 PM, F. Silvain <silvain@freeshell.de> wrote:
Anders Genell, Jun 29 2015:

> Wouldn't it be possible to have each point in one table (e.g. through the 'tab' opcode) be morphed into each corresponding point in the other table using an ordinary linseg? Maybe linseg can even handle arrays, so that each wave table could be handled simultaneously?
Hey hey Anders,
I don't completely understand your thought. What do you mean by "each point in one table"? To extemporate:
1. Store a single-cycle wave in a function table (using gen23 or ftload or direct generation through GEN routine or GEN instruments).

2. Repeat until all required single cycle waves are present.

3. Create multiple tables holding numbers of function tables of single cycle waves. - e.g. a wavetable should contain waves stored in function table 1, 2, 3 and 4. So the wavetable ftable contains the values 1, 2, 3 and 4.

4. Repeat until all wavetables are filled.

5. Now use some technique to morph/blend between stored single cycle waves of a wavetable. You could use tabmorph or ftmorf or read audio signals from two single cycle waves, using the table or table3 opcode, and morph by interpolating the audio outputs of those stored waves. Or...?

Is your thought or method very different? I'm most interested in a clever and CPU-friendly way to morph between those waves. So far only weighted mean values spring to mind. That's how the classic wavetable synths did it.
...

Ta-ta
----
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* Twitter:  http://twitter.com/ffanci_silvain
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Date2015-08-07 12:01
FromRichard Dobson
SubjectAre you around next week?
Hi John,

how are things? I already asked Eduardo Miranda (while I was still in 
Scotland) about the possibility of a 61yr-old going for one of the PhD 
scholarships, and he thought I should apply. I have a so far vague 
notion of something combining spectral stuff and ambisonic 
spatialization, possibly bringing in the Sliding DFT/GPU angle as well. 
If you are around I would be glad of a chance to brainstorm things a bit 
before writing something more specific to send to Eduardo.

Cheers,

Richard


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Date2015-08-08 13:08
FromMichael Rhoades
SubjectRe: Are you around next week?
Hi Richard,

Just to let you know, as a 59 year old I have just sold the house I have 
lived in for 23 years and moved to Virginia. I will be finishing up some 
undergrad courses at Virginia Tech and then, if all goes to plan, 
continuing on to my PhD.

The program in Scotland will greatly benefit by your contribution. Good 
Luck!!

Michael

On 8/7/15 7:01 AM, Richard Dobson wrote:
> Hi John,
>
> how are things? I already asked Eduardo Miranda (while I was still in
> Scotland) about the possibility of a 61yr-old going for one of the PhD
> scholarships, and he thought I should apply. I have a so far vague
> notion of something combining spectral stuff and ambisonic
> spatialization, possibly bringing in the Sliding DFT/GPU angle as well.
> If you are around I would be glad of a chance to brainstorm things a bit
> before writing something more specific to send to Eduardo.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Richard
>
>
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Date2015-08-08 13:42
FromRichard Dobson
SubjectRe: Are you around next week?
Thanks! Scotland was extended holiday, PhD thing is in Plymouth, to 
which city Archer Endrich is in the process of moving, and the Uni will 
in due course house the CDP archive.

Richard Dobson

On 08/08/2015 13:08, Michael Rhoades wrote:
> Hi Richard,
>
> Just to let you know, as a 59 year old I have just sold the house I have
> lived in for 23 years and moved to Virginia. I will be finishing up some
> undergrad courses at Virginia Tech and then, if all goes to plan,
> continuing on to my PhD.
>
> The program in Scotland will greatly benefit by your contribution. Good
> Luck!!
>


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Date2015-08-09 21:58
FromMichael Rhoades
SubjectRe: Are you around next week?
Sounds like a really good move for you...

Enjoy!!

Michael

On 8/8/15 8:42 AM, Richard Dobson wrote:
> Thanks! Scotland was extended holiday, PhD thing is in Plymouth, to
> which city Archer Endrich is in the process of moving, and the Uni will
> in due course house the CDP archive.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
> On 08/08/2015 13:08, Michael Rhoades wrote:
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> Just to let you know, as a 59 year old I have just sold the house I have
>> lived in for 23 years and moved to Virginia. I will be finishing up some
>> undergrad courses at Virginia Tech and then, if all goes to plan,
>> continuing on to my PhD.
>>
>> The program in Scotland will greatly benefit by your contribution. Good
>> Luck!!
>>
>
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Date2015-08-22 23:07
FromMichael Rhoades
SubjectNew Csound Composition
Hello all,

Just a quick note to let, you who may be interested, know of a new 
Csound piece I recently completed. The title is "Hummingbird Fantasies". 
I recorded hummingbird wing flutters and chirping, from which I gleaned 
three samples. Then I created three other synthesized samples that 
seemed to compliment the hummingbird samples and set to work with Csound 
and Cmask and diskin2. It is an 8.1 piece but you can hear a stereo mix 
here:

https://soundcloud.com/michael-rhoades-1/hummingbird-fantasies?in=michael-rhoades-1/sets/formlessly-evolving-ambient

Thanks and be well,

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Date2015-08-22 23:28
Fromandy fillebrown
SubjectRe: New Csound Composition
I love it!

On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michael Rhoades
 wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Just a quick note to let, you who may be interested, know of a new
> Csound piece I recently completed. The title is "Hummingbird Fantasies".
> I recorded hummingbird wing flutters and chirping, from which I gleaned
> three samples. Then I created three other synthesized samples that
> seemed to compliment the hummingbird samples and set to work with Csound
> and Cmask and diskin2. It is an 8.1 piece but you can hear a stereo mix
> here:
>
> https://soundcloud.com/michael-rhoades-1/hummingbird-fantasies?in=michael-rhoades-1/sets/formlessly-evolving-ambient
>
> Thanks and be well,
>
> Michael
>
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Date2015-08-23 00:29
From'2+
SubjectRe: New Csound Composition
me too! 
followed on soundcloud ;)

Sent from my iPad

> On Aug 23, 2015, at 07:28, andy fillebrown  wrote:
> 
> I love it!
> 
> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michael Rhoades
>  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> Just a quick note to let, you who may be interested, know of a new
>> Csound piece I recently completed. The title is "Hummingbird Fantasies".
>> I recorded hummingbird wing flutters and chirping, from which I gleaned
>> three samples. Then I created three other synthesized samples that
>> seemed to compliment the hummingbird samples and set to work with Csound
>> and Cmask and diskin2. It is an 8.1 piece but you can hear a stereo mix
>> here:
>> 
>> https://soundcloud.com/michael-rhoades-1/hummingbird-fantasies?in=michael-rhoades-1/sets/formlessly-evolving-ambient
>> 
>> Thanks and be well,
>> 
>> Michael
>> 
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Date2015-08-25 14:18
FromMichael Rhoades
SubjectRe: New Csound Composition
Thank you both!! I appreciate the kind words.

Michael

On 8/22/15 7:29 PM, '2+ wrote:
> me too!
> followed on soundcloud ;)
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 07:28, andy fillebrown  wrote:
>>
>> I love it!
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michael Rhoades
>>  wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> Just a quick note to let, you who may be interested, know of a new
>>> Csound piece I recently completed. The title is "Hummingbird Fantasies".
>>> I recorded hummingbird wing flutters and chirping, from which I gleaned
>>> three samples. Then I created three other synthesized samples that
>>> seemed to compliment the hummingbird samples and set to work with Csound
>>> and Cmask and diskin2. It is an 8.1 piece but you can hear a stereo mix
>>> here:
>>>
>>> https://soundcloud.com/michael-rhoades-1/hummingbird-fantasies?in=michael-rhoades-1/sets/formlessly-evolving-ambient
>>>
>>> Thanks and be well,
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>

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Date2015-08-28 14:25
FromOeyvind Brandtsegg
SubjectRe: New Csound Composition
Very nice, thanks Michael.

2015-08-25 15:18 GMT+02:00 Michael Rhoades :
> Thank you both!! I appreciate the kind words.
>
> Michael
>
> On 8/22/15 7:29 PM, '2+ wrote:
>> me too!
>> followed on soundcloud ;)
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 07:28, andy fillebrown  wrote:
>>>
>>> I love it!
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michael Rhoades
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>>
>>>> Just a quick note to let, you who may be interested, know of a new
>>>> Csound piece I recently completed. The title is "Hummingbird Fantasies".
>>>> I recorded hummingbird wing flutters and chirping, from which I gleaned
>>>> three samples. Then I created three other synthesized samples that
>>>> seemed to compliment the hummingbird samples and set to work with Csound
>>>> and Cmask and diskin2. It is an 8.1 piece but you can hear a stereo mix
>>>> here:
>>>>
>>>> https://soundcloud.com/michael-rhoades-1/hummingbird-fantasies?in=michael-rhoades-1/sets/formlessly-evolving-ambient
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and be well,
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>
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Date2015-08-28 15:45
FromMichael Rhoades
SubjectRe: New Csound Composition
Thank you Oeyvind. Nice to hear from you.



On 8/28/15 9:25 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> Very nice, thanks Michael.
>
> 2015-08-25 15:18 GMT+02:00 Michael Rhoades :
>> Thank you both!! I appreciate the kind words.
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 8/22/15 7:29 PM, '2+ wrote:
>>> me too!
>>> followed on soundcloud ;)
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>>> On Aug 23, 2015, at 07:28, andy fillebrown  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I love it!
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Aug 22, 2015 at 6:07 PM, Michael Rhoades
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>
>>>>> Just a quick note to let, you who may be interested, know of a new
>>>>> Csound piece I recently completed. The title is "Hummingbird Fantasies".
>>>>> I recorded hummingbird wing flutters and chirping, from which I gleaned
>>>>> three samples. Then I created three other synthesized samples that
>>>>> seemed to compliment the hummingbird samples and set to work with Csound
>>>>> and Cmask and diskin2. It is an 8.1 piece but you can hear a stereo mix
>>>>> here:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://soundcloud.com/michael-rhoades-1/hummingbird-fantasies?in=michael-rhoades-1/sets/formlessly-evolving-ambient
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks and be well,
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
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