Audacity also allows you create plugins using Nyquist, another powerful software sound synthesis language.

Regards,
Mike

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>From: Rory Walsh 
>Sent: Sep 13, 2007 9:19 AM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: [Csnd] open source mastering
>
>Doesn't Ardour run on Mac's? Anyway, given that you can write Audacity 
>plugins in Csound with realtime control via midi* why not just use your 
>favourite Csound effects and processes in Audacity. While Audacity is 
>pretty limited, the fact that you can use it with Csound gives plenty of 
>opportunity for extending it and customising it to suiting your needs.
>
>Rory.
>
>*theoretically it should be possible to control csLADSPA plugins with 
>regular midi controllers although I haven't ever tried it...
>
>
>
>peiman wrote:
>> It is very cool indeed. Particularly the spectral editing features:
>> 
>> http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/newfeatures.html#nf7
>> 
>> Only if there was a mac version!
>> 
>> Best
>> Peiman
>> 
>> PS I am fed up with pro tools, having been informed today that  
>> digidesign have decided n
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Hi Steven,

Now that this topic came up can I ask you a question?

How difficult is it, if at all possible, to have a graphic wave view of
sound files in blue? I don't know if Java can do that or not but just
thought I'll ask.

I think this program is made with java:

http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/index.php?page=317

But I am not sure :-)

Thanks
Peiman  


Steven Yi wrote:
> 
> For mastering, you could also use my program blue.  You can drag and
> drop audio files from a file explorer to the timeline and Audio
> soundObjects will automatically be made.  After that, you can create
> some subchannels in the mixer then target the different channels with
> the Audio soundObject, then use any of blue's effects which are
> automatable.  Modifications to automations are not realtime (though
> there are plans to remedy this in the future), you do get the
> advantage of all of the effects in Csound code.
> 
> steven
> 
> 
> On 9/13/07, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>> Audacity allows VST plug ins in general, doesn't it?
>> I know it has a tendency to freeze up when I try to use the really
>> fancy ones, the ones that have purchase protection of some sort (waves
>> and the like), but I've definitely downloaded a few good VSTs for it.
>>
>> On 9/13/07, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> > Audacity also allows you create plugins using Nyquist, another powerful
>> software sound synthesis language.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Mike
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: Rory Walsh 
>> > >Sent: Sep 13, 2007 9:19 AM
>> > >To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> > >Subject: Re: [Csnd] open source mastering
>> > >
>> > >Doesn't Ardour run on Mac's? Anyway, given that you can write Audacity
>> > >plugins in Csound with realtime control via midi* why not just use
>> your
>> > >favourite Csound effects and processes in Audacity. While Audacity is
>> > >pretty limited, the fact that you can use it with Csound gives plenty
>> of
>> > >opportunity for extending it and customising it to suiting your needs.
>> > >
>> > >Rory.
>> > >
>> > >*theoretically it should be possible to control csLADSPA plugins with
>> > >regular midi controllers although I haven't ever tried it...
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >peiman wrote:
>> > >> It is very cool indeed. Particularly the spectral editing features:
>> > >>
>> > >> http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/newfeatures.html#nf7
>> > >>
>> > >> Only if there was a mac version!
>> > >>
>> > >> Best
>> > >> Peiman
>> > >>
>> > >> PS I am fed up with pro tools, having been informed today that
>> > >> digidesign have decided n
>> > >--
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Such implementation would indeed be grand!

Best
Peiman


Steven Yi wrote:
> 
> It should certainly be possible and I've seen some code here and there
> and have investigated some but I haven't had a chance to implement.  A
> while back I had wanted to implement the same method as Ardour (which
> I think uses a cache file for faster rendering) but I couldn't find
> it's waveform rendering code the last time I looked.  If I remember it
> correctly, to show a waveform well it has to do some averaging or
> peaks for all the sample values that the pixel holds, otherwise you
> could get really different waveforms if you happen to hit the wrong
> sample.  I'm not sure what's involved, but if someone knows what is
> involved and tells me I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad to figure out an
> implementation.
> 
> The DSP app is indeed Java but has no source code available I can see.
>  If anyone sees an open source audio app with wave rendering I'll be
> happy to give implementing it a go in blue.
> 
> steven
> 
> 
> On 9/13/07, peiman  wrote:
>>
>> Hi Steven,
>>
>> Now that this topic came up can I ask you a question?
>>
>> How difficult is it, if at all possible, to have a graphic wave view of
>> sound files in blue? I don't know if Java can do that or not but just
>> thought I'll ask.
>>
>> I think this program is made with java:
>>
>> http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/index.php?page=317
>>
>> But I am not sure :-)
>>
>> Thanks
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>> Steven Yi wrote:
>> >
>> > For mastering, you could also use my program blue.  You can drag and
>> > drop audio files from a file explorer to the timeline and Audio
>> > soundObjects will automatically be made.  After that, you can create
>> > some subchannels in the mixer then target the different channels with
>> > the Audio soundObject, then use any of blue's effects which are
>> > automatable.  Modifications to automations are not realtime (though
>> > there are plans to remedy this in the future), you do get the
>> > advantage of all of the effects in Csound code.
>> >
>> > steven
>> >
>> >
>> > On 9/13/07, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>> >> Audacity allows VST plug ins in general, doesn't it?
>> >> I know it has a tendency to freeze up when I try to use the really
>> >> fancy ones, the ones that have purchase protection of some sort (waves
>> >> and the like), but I've definitely downloaded a few good VSTs for it.
>> >>
>> >> On 9/13/07, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>> >> > Audacity also allows you create plugins using Nyquist, another
>> powerful
>> >> software sound synthesis language.
>> >> >
>> >> > Regards,
>> >> > Mike
>> >> >
>> >> > -----Original Message-----
>> >> > >From: Rory Walsh 
>> >> > >Sent: Sep 13, 2007 9:19 AM
>> >> > >To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> >> > >Subject: Re: [Csnd] open source mastering
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Doesn't Ardour run on Mac's? Anyway, given that you can write
>> Audacity
>> >> > >plugins in Csound with realtime control via midi* why not just use
>> >> your
>> >> > >favourite Csound effects and processes in Audacity. While Audacity
>> is
>> >> > >pretty limited, the fact that you can use it with Csound gives
>> plenty
>> >> of
>> >> > >opportunity for extending it and customising it to suiting your
>> needs.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >Rory.
>> >> > >
>> >> > >*theoretically it should be possible to control csLADSPA plugins
>> with
>> >> > >regular midi controllers although I haven't ever tried it...
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > >peiman wrote:
>> >> > >> It is very cool indeed. Particularly the spectral editing
>> features:
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/newfeatures.html#nf7
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Only if there was a mac version!
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> Best
>> >> > >> Peiman
>> >> > >>
>> >> > >> PS I am fed up with pro tools, having been informed today that
>> >> > >> digidesign have decided n
>> >> > >--
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On my last waveform plot display, I believe I used the peak value for all samples 
represented by one pixel rather than averaging.  IIRC, using an average didn't look 
as good as simply using the peak (dependent on frequency and zoom level, of course). 
  Unfortunately I don't have that code anymore; it was for a personal project that 
didn't progress quite like I wanted.

John W. Lato
School of Music
The University of Texas at Austin
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(512) 232-2090

Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
> The liveSamplePlot python application does crude waveform display.
> I am confident that it would be simple to refine the display,
> but I wrote it as simple as possible to try to enhance realtime
> performance (which is what I wrote it for).
> 
> To calculate the y position for a pixel in the waveform, I think you
> could just do an average of (the amplitude of) all audio samples to be
> represented by that pixel (number of samples would be dependent on the
> current zoom level. I suspect (but don't know for sure) that this is a
> commonly used method for calulating the waveform graph, as one
> commonly observes significant alterations of the waveform graph when
> changing the zoom level.
> 
> best
> Oeyvind
> 
> 2007/9/13, Steven Yi :
>> It should certainly be possible and I've seen some code here and there
>> and have investigated some but I haven't had a chance to implement.  A
>> while back I had wanted to implement the same method as Ardour (which
>> I think uses a cache file for faster rendering) but I couldn't find
>> it's waveform rendering code the last time I looked.  If I remember it
>> correctly, to show a waveform well it has to do some averaging or
>> peaks for all the sample values that the pixel holds, otherwise you
>> could get really different waveforms if you happen to hit the wrong
>> sample.  I'm not sure what's involved, but if someone knows what is
>> involved and tells me I'm sure it wouldn't be too bad to figure out an
>> implementation.
>>
>> The DSP app is indeed Java but has no source code available I can see.
>>  If anyone sees an open source audio app with wave rendering I'll be
>> happy to give implementing it a go in blue.
>>
>> steven
>>
>>
>> On 9/13/07, peiman  wrote:
>>> Hi Steven,
>>>
>>> Now that this topic came up can I ask you a question?
>>>
>>> How difficult is it, if at all possible, to have a graphic wave view of
>>> sound files in blue? I don't know if Java can do that or not but just
>>> thought I'll ask.
>>>
>>> I think this program is made with java:
>>>
>>> http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/index.php?page=317
>>>
>>> But I am not sure :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>>
>>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>>> For mastering, you could also use my program blue.  You can drag and
>>>> drop audio files from a file explorer to the timeline and Audio
>>>> soundObjects will automatically be made.  After that, you can create
>>>> some subchannels in the mixer then target the different channels with
>>>> the Audio soundObject, then use any of blue's effects which are
>>>> automatable.  Modifications to automations are not realtime (though
>>>> there are plans to remedy this in the future), you do get the
>>>> advantage of all of the effects in Csound code.
>>>>
>>>> steven
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 9/13/07, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>>> Audacity allows VST plug ins in general, doesn't it?
>>>>> I know it has a tendency to freeze up when I try to use the really
>>>>> fancy ones, the ones that have purchase protection of some sort (waves
>>>>> and the like), but I've definitely downloaded a few good VSTs for it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/13/07, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>>>>> Audacity also allows you create plugins using Nyquist, another powerful
>>>>> software sound synthesis language.
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>>>> From: Rory Walsh 
>>>>>>> Sent: Sep 13, 2007 9:19 AM
>>>>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] open source mastering
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Doesn't Ardour run on Mac's? Anyway, given that you can write Audacity
>>>>>>> plugins in Csound with realtime control via midi* why not just use
>>>>> your
>>>>>>> favourite Csound effects and processes in Audacity. While Audacity is
>>>>>>> pretty limited, the fact that you can use it with Csound gives plenty
>>>>> of
>>>>>>> opportunity for extending it and customising it to suiting your needs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *theoretically it should be possible to control csLADSPA plugins with
>>>>>>> regular midi controllers although I haven't ever tried it...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> peiman wrote:
>>>>>>>> It is very cool indeed. Particularly the spectral editing features:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/newfeatures.html#nf7
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Only if there was a mac version!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> PS I am fed up with pro tools, having been informed today that
>>>>>>>> digidesign have decided n
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It would be nice it there were better displays in Csound too!
(Adding some of this to Blue would be cool...)

-dB

On Sep 13, 2007, at 11:57 AM, peiman wrote:

>
> Hi Steven,
>
> Now that this topic came up can I ask you a question?
>
> How difficult is it, if at all possible, to have a graphic wave  
> view of
> sound files in blue? I don't know if Java can do that or not but just
> thought I'll ask.
>
> I think this program is made with java:
>
> http://www.notam02.no/DSP02/en/index.php?page=317
>
> But I am not sure :-)
>
> Thanks
> Peiman
>
>
> Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>> For mastering, you could also use my program blue.  You can drag and
>> drop audio files from a file explorer to the timeline and Audio
>> soundObjects will automatically be made.  After that, you can create
>> some subchannels in the mixer then target the different channels with
>> the Audio soundObject, then use any of blue's effects which are
>> automatable.  Modifications to automations are not realtime (though
>> there are plans to remedy this in the future), you do get the
>> advantage of all of the effects in Csound code.
>>
>> steven
>>
>>
>> On 9/13/07, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>> Audacity allows VST plug ins in general, doesn't it?
>>> I know it has a tendency to freeze up when I try to use the really
>>> fancy ones, the ones that have purchase protection of some sort  
>>> (waves
>>> and the like), but I've definitely downloaded a few good VSTs for  
>>> it.
>>>
>>> On 9/13/07, Michael Gogins  wrote:
>>>> Audacity also allows you create plugins using Nyquist, another  
>>>> powerful
>>> software sound synthesis language.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: Rory Walsh 
>>>>> Sent: Sep 13, 2007 9:19 AM
>>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] open source mastering
>>>>>
>>>>> Doesn't Ardour run on Mac's? Anyway, given that you can write  
>>>>> Audacity
>>>>> plugins in Csound with realtime control via midi* why not just use
>>> your
>>>>> favourite Csound effects and processes in Audacity. While  
>>>>> Audacity is
>>>>> pretty limited, the fact that you can use it with Csound gives  
>>>>> plenty
>>> of
>>>>> opportunity for extending it and customising it to suiting your  
>>>>> needs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>
>>>>> *theoretically it should be possible to control csLADSPA  
>>>>> plugins with
>>>>> regular midi controllers although I haven't ever tried it...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> peiman wrote:
>>>>>> It is very cool indeed. Particularly the spectral editing  
>>>>>> features:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/newfeatures.html#nf7
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Only if there was a mac version!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> PS I am fed up with pro tools, having been informed today that
>>>>>> digidesign have decided n
>>>>> --
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