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Re: Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410

Date2006-05-24 16:55
FromMichael Gogins
SubjectRe: Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
What is your CPU load when you get breakups in the sound? It seems to me you are simply overloading the computer.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Panos Katergiathis 
>Sent: May 24, 2006 11:22 AM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
>
>Hello all
>
>I have the latest (5.02) Csound version installed on my Windows XP SP2 
>machine.
>I am trying lines like this:
>
>csound -s -oComposition.wav -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>
>...which actually renders the Composition.wav file on my disk with 
>perfect quality.
>
>
>Then, i try this line:
>
>csound -s -odac -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>
>... and the piece starts playing, i listen to some notes but later on i 
>start getting severe pauses and cracks and all sorts of noises.
>
>My audio card is a M-Audio Firewire 410. As you probably know, it 
>supports ASIO and it shouldn't have no problems of this sort, but how do 
>i tell CSound about it?
>
>Please assist
>
>Panos
>-- 
>Send bugs reports to this list.
>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk


Date2006-05-24 17:05
FromPanos Katergiathis
SubjectRe: Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
I did as you friends instructed.
The lists of my audio devices is:

PortAudio: available output devices:
   0: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
   1: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
   2: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
   3: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
   4: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
   5: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
   6: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
   7: Primary Sound Driver
   8: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
   9: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
  10: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
  11: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
  12: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
  13: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
  14: ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver
  15: ASIO Multimedia Driver
  16: M-Audio FW ASIO

... so i used these lines to experiment:
csound -s -odac16 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
csound -s -odac15 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
csound -s -odac14 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd

... and i also tried to further reduce the b and B parameters.

Unfortunately, the problem remains.
I checked the CPU load when this happens and it is about 53%.

This particular score i am testing with is not mine. I borrowed it for 
testing reasons.
It has a climax (actually several of them) about 1.5 minute after it's 
started.
At that climax i am hearing audio drop-outs whose length differs on some 
of the above experiments
but they never dissappear.

Any more thoughts?

Panos

P.S. What makes me angry that this morning at my office computer 
(equiped with a Soundblaster card) none of these things occured... :(




Michael Gogins wrote:
> What is your CPU load when you get breakups in the sound? It seems to me you are simply overloading the computer.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> -----Original Message-----
>   
>> From: Panos Katergiathis 
>> Sent: May 24, 2006 11:22 AM
>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> Subject: [Csnd] Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
>>
>> Hello all
>>
>> I have the latest (5.02) Csound version installed on my Windows XP SP2 
>> machine.
>> I am trying lines like this:
>>
>> csound -s -oComposition.wav -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>
>> ...which actually renders the Composition.wav file on my disk with 
>> perfect quality.
>>
>>
>> Then, i try this line:
>>
>> csound -s -odac -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>
>> ... and the piece starts playing, i listen to some notes but later on i 
>> start getting severe pauses and cracks and all sorts of noises.
>>
>> My audio card is a M-Audio Firewire 410. As you probably know, it 
>> supports ASIO and it shouldn't have no problems of this sort, but how do 
>> i tell CSound about it?
>>
>> Please assist
>>
>> Panos
>> -- 
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>     
>
>
>
>   

Date2006-05-24 17:24
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
Did you try dev2 (which is MME)? Another thing with ASIO is
that ultimately, the buffer size is determined by the ASIO panel,
so you can try opening it (in control panels) and changing settings.

Another thing: try to set the buffersize to be a mulitple of ksmps.
Eg.  ksmps= 128 buffersizes 512 and 1024
or even
ksmps = 64

Victor

At 17:05 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>I did as you friends instructed.
>The lists of my audio devices is:
>
>PortAudio: available output devices:
>   0: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
>   1: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>   2: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>   3: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>   4: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>   5: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>   6: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>   7: Primary Sound Driver
>   8: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>   9: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>  10: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>  11: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>  12: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>  13: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>  14: ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver
>  15: ASIO Multimedia Driver
>  16: M-Audio FW ASIO
>
>... so i used these lines to experiment:
>csound -s -odac16 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>csound -s -odac15 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>csound -s -odac14 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>
>... and i also tried to further reduce the b and B parameters.
>
>Unfortunately, the problem remains.
>I checked the CPU load when this happens and it is about 53%.
>
>This particular score i am testing with is not mine. I borrowed it for 
>testing reasons.
>It has a climax (actually several of them) about 1.5 minute after it's 
>started.
>At that climax i am hearing audio drop-outs whose length differs on some 
>of the above experiments
>but they never dissappear.
>
>Any more thoughts?
>
>Panos
>
>P.S. What makes me angry that this morning at my office computer (equiped 
>with a Soundblaster card) none of these things occured... :(
>
>
>
>
>Michael Gogins wrote:
>>What is your CPU load when you get breakups in the sound? It seems to me 
>>you are simply overloading the computer.
>>
>>Regards,
>>Mike
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>
>>>From: Panos Katergiathis 
>>>Sent: May 24, 2006 11:22 AM
>>>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>Subject: [Csnd] Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
>>>
>>>Hello all
>>>
>>>I have the latest (5.02) Csound version installed on my Windows XP SP2 
>>>machine.
>>>I am trying lines like this:
>>>
>>>csound -s -oComposition.wav -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>
>>>...which actually renders the Composition.wav file on my disk with 
>>>perfect quality.
>>>
>>>
>>>Then, i try this line:
>>>
>>>csound -s -odac -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>
>>>... and the piece starts playing, i listen to some notes but later on i 
>>>start getting severe pauses and cracks and all sorts of noises.
>>>
>>>My audio card is a M-Audio Firewire 410. As you probably know, it 
>>>supports ASIO and it shouldn't have no problems of this sort, but how do 
>>>i tell CSound about it?
>>>
>>>Please assist
>>>
>>>Panos
>>>--
>>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>--
>Send bugs reports to this list.
>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk

Victor Lazzarini
Music Technology Laboratory
Music Department
National University of Ireland, Maynooth 

Date2006-05-24 17:36
FromPanos Katergiathis
SubjectRe: Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
Allright.
The 'ksmps' thing did the work ( with the device #16).
Thank you all for your support.

One final thing though:
If i had bought the Csound Book, would i know all these things? :)

Best Regards

Panos



Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Did you try dev2 (which is MME)? Another thing with ASIO is
> that ultimately, the buffer size is determined by the ASIO panel,
> so you can try opening it (in control panels) and changing settings.
>
> Another thing: try to set the buffersize to be a mulitple of ksmps.
> Eg.  ksmps= 128 buffersizes 512 and 1024
> or even
> ksmps = 64
>
> Victor
>
> At 17:05 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>> I did as you friends instructed.
>> The lists of my audio devices is:
>>
>> PortAudio: available output devices:
>>   0: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
>>   1: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>>   2: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>>   3: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>>   4: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>>   5: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>>   6: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>>   7: Primary Sound Driver
>>   8: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>>   9: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>>  10: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>>  11: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>>  12: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>>  13: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>>  14: ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver
>>  15: ASIO Multimedia Driver
>>  16: M-Audio FW ASIO
>>
>> ... so i used these lines to experiment:
>> csound -s -odac16 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>> csound -s -odac15 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>> csound -s -odac14 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>>
>> ... and i also tried to further reduce the b and B parameters.
>>
>> Unfortunately, the problem remains.
>> I checked the CPU load when this happens and it is about 53%.
>>
>> This particular score i am testing with is not mine. I borrowed it 
>> for testing reasons.
>> It has a climax (actually several of them) about 1.5 minute after 
>> it's started.
>> At that climax i am hearing audio drop-outs whose length differs on 
>> some of the above experiments
>> but they never dissappear.
>>
>> Any more thoughts?
>>
>> Panos
>>
>> P.S. What makes me angry that this morning at my office computer 
>> (equiped with a Soundblaster card) none of these things occured... :(
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Michael Gogins wrote:
>>> What is your CPU load when you get breakups in the sound? It seems 
>>> to me you are simply overloading the computer.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>
>>>> From: Panos Katergiathis 
>>>> Sent: May 24, 2006 11:22 AM
>>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
>>>>
>>>> Hello all
>>>>
>>>> I have the latest (5.02) Csound version installed on my Windows XP 
>>>> SP2 machine.
>>>> I am trying lines like this:
>>>>
>>>> csound -s -oComposition.wav -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>>
>>>> ...which actually renders the Composition.wav file on my disk with 
>>>> perfect quality.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Then, i try this line:
>>>>
>>>> csound -s -odac -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>>
>>>> ... and the piece starts playing, i listen to some notes but later 
>>>> on i start getting severe pauses and cracks and all sorts of noises.
>>>>
>>>> My audio card is a M-Audio Firewire 410. As you probably know, it 
>>>> supports ASIO and it shouldn't have no problems of this sort, but 
>>>> how do i tell CSound about it?
>>>>
>>>> Please assist
>>>>
>>>> Panos
>>>> -- 
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> -- 
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>
> Victor Lazzarini
> Music Technology Laboratory
> Music Department
> National University of Ireland, Maynooth

Date2006-05-24 17:58
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
Well some of these things are specific to Csound 5.

At 17:36 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>Allright.
>The 'ksmps' thing did the work ( with the device #16).
>Thank you all for your support.
>
>One final thing though:
>If i had bought the Csound Book, would i know all these things? :)
>
>Best Regards
>
>Panos
>
>
>
>Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>Did you try dev2 (which is MME)? Another thing with ASIO is
>>that ultimately, the buffer size is determined by the ASIO panel,
>>so you can try opening it (in control panels) and changing settings.
>>
>>Another thing: try to set the buffersize to be a mulitple of ksmps.
>>Eg.  ksmps= 128 buffersizes 512 and 1024
>>or even
>>ksmps = 64
>>
>>Victor
>>
>>At 17:05 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>>>I did as you friends instructed.
>>>The lists of my audio devices is:
>>>
>>>PortAudio: available output devices:
>>>   0: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
>>>   1: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>>>   2: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>>>   3: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>>>   4: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>>>   5: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>>>   6: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>>>   7: Primary Sound Driver
>>>   8: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>>>   9: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>>>  10: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>>>  11: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>>>  12: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>>>  13: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>>>  14: ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver
>>>  15: ASIO Multimedia Driver
>>>  16: M-Audio FW ASIO
>>>
>>>... so i used these lines to experiment:
>>>csound -s -odac16 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>>>csound -s -odac15 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>>>csound -s -odac14 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>>>
>>>... and i also tried to further reduce the b and B parameters.
>>>
>>>Unfortunately, the problem remains.
>>>I checked the CPU load when this happens and it is about 53%.
>>>
>>>This particular score i am testing with is not mine. I borrowed it for 
>>>testing reasons.
>>>It has a climax (actually several of them) about 1.5 minute after it's 
>>>started.
>>>At that climax i am hearing audio drop-outs whose length differs on some 
>>>of the above experiments
>>>but they never dissappear.
>>>
>>>Any more thoughts?
>>>
>>>Panos
>>>
>>>P.S. What makes me angry that this morning at my office computer 
>>>(equiped with a Soundblaster card) none of these things occured... :(
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>>What is your CPU load when you get breakups in the sound? It seems to 
>>>>me you are simply overloading the computer.
>>>>
>>>>Regards,
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>
>>>>>From: Panos Katergiathis 
>>>>>Sent: May 24, 2006 11:22 AM
>>>>>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>>Subject: [Csnd] Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
>>>>>
>>>>>Hello all
>>>>>
>>>>>I have the latest (5.02) Csound version installed on my Windows XP SP2 
>>>>>machine.
>>>>>I am trying lines like this:
>>>>>
>>>>>csound -s -oComposition.wav -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>>>
>>>>>...which actually renders the Composition.wav file on my disk with 
>>>>>perfect quality.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Then, i try this line:
>>>>>
>>>>>csound -s -odac -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>>>
>>>>>... and the piece starts playing, i listen to some notes but later on 
>>>>>i start getting severe pauses and cracks and all sorts of noises.
>>>>>
>>>>>My audio card is a M-Audio Firewire 410. As you probably know, it 
>>>>>supports ASIO and it shouldn't have no problems of this sort, but how 
>>>>>do i tell CSound about it?
>>>>>
>>>>>Please assist
>>>>>
>>>>>Panos
>>>>>--
>>>>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>>>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>--
>>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>
>>Victor Lazzarini
>>Music Technology Laboratory
>>Music Department
>>National University of Ireland, Maynooth
>--
>Send bugs reports to this list.
>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk

Victor Lazzarini
Music Technology Laboratory
Music Department
National University of Ireland, Maynooth 

Date2006-05-24 18:00
FromVictor Lazzarini
SubjectRe: Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
But I think it's in the manual already, as we have seen this
before.

At 17:58 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>Well some of these things are specific to Csound 5.
>
>At 17:36 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>>Allright.
>>The 'ksmps' thing did the work ( with the device #16).
>>Thank you all for your support.
>>
>>One final thing though:
>>If i had bought the Csound Book, would i know all these things? :)
>>
>>Best Regards
>>
>>Panos
>>
>>
>>
>>Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>>Did you try dev2 (which is MME)? Another thing with ASIO is
>>>that ultimately, the buffer size is determined by the ASIO panel,
>>>so you can try opening it (in control panels) and changing settings.
>>>
>>>Another thing: try to set the buffersize to be a mulitple of ksmps.
>>>Eg.  ksmps= 128 buffersizes 512 and 1024
>>>or even
>>>ksmps = 64
>>>
>>>Victor
>>>
>>>At 17:05 24/05/2006, you wrote:
>>>>I did as you friends instructed.
>>>>The lists of my audio devices is:
>>>>
>>>>PortAudio: available output devices:
>>>>   0: Microsoft Sound Mapper - Output
>>>>   1: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>>>>   2: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>>>>   3: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>>>>   4: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>>>>   5: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>>>>   6: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>>>>   7: Primary Sound Driver
>>>>   8: M-Audio FW 410 Multi
>>>>   9: M-Audio FW 410 1/2
>>>>  10: M-Audio FW 410 3/4
>>>>  11: M-Audio FW 410 5/6
>>>>  12: M-Audio FW 410 7/8
>>>>  13: M-Audio FW 410 S/PDIF
>>>>  14: ASIO DirectX Full Duplex Driver
>>>>  15: ASIO Multimedia Driver
>>>>  16: M-Audio FW ASIO
>>>>
>>>>... so i used these lines to experiment:
>>>>csound -s -odac16 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>>>>csound -s -odac15 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>>>>csound -s -odac14 -b256 -B1024 composition.csd
>>>>
>>>>... and i also tried to further reduce the b and B parameters.
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, the problem remains.
>>>>I checked the CPU load when this happens and it is about 53%.
>>>>
>>>>This particular score i am testing with is not mine. I borrowed it for 
>>>>testing reasons.
>>>>It has a climax (actually several of them) about 1.5 minute after it's 
>>>>started.
>>>>At that climax i am hearing audio drop-outs whose length differs on 
>>>>some of the above experiments
>>>>but they never dissappear.
>>>>
>>>>Any more thoughts?
>>>>
>>>>Panos
>>>>
>>>>P.S. What makes me angry that this morning at my office computer 
>>>>(equiped with a Soundblaster card) none of these things occured... :(
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Michael Gogins wrote:
>>>>>What is your CPU load when you get breakups in the sound? It seems to 
>>>>>me you are simply overloading the computer.
>>>>>
>>>>>Regards,
>>>>>Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>
>>>>>>From: Panos Katergiathis 
>>>>>>Sent: May 24, 2006 11:22 AM
>>>>>>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>>>Subject: [Csnd] Csound / M-Audio Firewire 410
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hello all
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have the latest (5.02) Csound version installed on my Windows XP 
>>>>>>SP2 machine.
>>>>>>I am trying lines like this:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>csound -s -oComposition.wav -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>...which actually renders the Composition.wav file on my disk with 
>>>>>>perfect quality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then, i try this line:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>csound -s -odac -b4096 -B16384 -m135 composition.csd
>>>>>>
>>>>>>... and the piece starts playing, i listen to some notes but later on 
>>>>>>i start getting severe pauses and cracks and all sorts of noises.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My audio card is a M-Audio Firewire 410. As you probably know, it 
>>>>>>supports ASIO and it shouldn't have no problems of this sort, but how 
>>>>>>do i tell CSound about it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Please assist
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Panos
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>>>>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>
>>>Victor Lazzarini
>>>Music Technology Laboratory
>>>Music Department
>>>National University of Ireland, Maynooth
>>--
>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>
>Victor Lazzarini
>Music Technology Laboratory
>Music Department
>National University of Ireland, Maynooth
>--
>Send bugs reports to this list.
>To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk

Victor Lazzarini
Music Technology Laboratory
Music Department
National University of Ireland, Maynooth