Dear Istvan,

I would like to make a formal request that Istvan Varga
accept my sincere public apology for the language
I used in public emails sent to the developer's list
recently  and continue making his invaluable contributions
to Csound.

To that end, I would be happy to withdraw my request for
more UDO arguments (although that would be cool and helpful)

Rather, I would merely request that Istvan - reconsider his decision
to stop developing Csound and bring his heart, soul, spirit, and  
brilliance
back to the developer community - the feature we need in Csound5
is THE dedicated developer - Istvan Varga.

So this is my request for Csound5 - Istvan Varga.

It is my sincere hope that he would realize (as a result of this
exchange on the developer's list) that even *hackish* code he doesn't
like or of which he is not particularly proud - such as his awesome  
UDO's
- might just turn out to be essential tools to others - so much so
that users, teachers, and fans, (like me), are sometimes passionate
(beyond our good judgement) about wanting to see them expanded
and improved and say things that we wish we would not have said...

such as - cut the !@#$ing !@#$

Istvan, your many contributions to this community are
significant and extremely important - both in the code department
and moreover, when you are helping beginners realize
how certain opcodes function - i respect and value your teaching
immensely.

I hope that you will accept my apology and reconsider

Sincerely,

Dr. B.

PS:  A little late now, but yesterday I purchased the following book:

*30 Days to Taming Your Tongue by Deborah Smith Pegues*

I'll let you all know how well it worked for me - 30 days from now.







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I am going to chime in ( yet again ) with the plea to have everyone read:

Producing Open Source Software - Karl Vogel.

I've said this a number of times, but I get the impression that very few
people realize just how much better off we would be if all developers
lived by the guidelines in this book. Karl has seen far more complicated
action than we experience here and has invaluable wisdom on the
technical, personal, and manegerial side of the open source model. He
was one of the chief developers of CVS and now of Subversion. He knows
his stuff.

Iain

Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
> Dear Istvan,
> 
> I would like to make a formal request that Istvan Varga
> accept my sincere public apology for the language
> I used in public emails sent to the developer's list
> recently  and continue making his invaluable contributions
> to Csound.
> 
> To that end, I would be happy to withdraw my request for
> more UDO arguments (although that would be cool and helpful)
> 
> Rather, I would merely request that Istvan - reconsider his decision
> to stop developing Csound and bring his heart, soul, spirit, and 
> brilliance
> back to the developer community - the feature we need in Csound5
> is THE dedicated developer - Istvan Varga.
> 
> So this is my request for Csound5 - Istvan Varga.
> 
> It is my sincere hope that he would realize (as a result of this
> exchange on the developer's list) that even *hackish* code he doesn't
> like or of which he is not particularly proud - such as his awesome  UDO's
> - might just turn out to be essential tools to others - so much so
> that users, teachers, and fans, (like me), are sometimes passionate
> (beyond our good judgement) about wanting to see them expanded
> and improved and say things that we wish we would not have said...
> 
> such as - cut the !@#$ing !@#$
> 
> Istvan, your many contributions to this community are
> significant and extremely important - both in the code department
> and moreover, when you are helping beginners realize
> how certain opcodes function - i respect and value your teaching
> immensely.
> 
> I hope that you will accept my apology and reconsider
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Dr. B.
> 
> PS:  A little late now, but yesterday I purchased the following book:
> 
> *30 Days to Taming Your Tongue by Deborah Smith Pegues*
> 
> I'll let you all know how well it worked for me - 30 days from now.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Can you summarise some of the important points for
us lazy gits who don't read books?

At 23:44 17/05/2006, you wrote:
>I am going to chime in ( yet again ) with the plea to have everyone read:
>
>Producing Open Source Software - Karl Vogel.
>
>I've said this a number of times, but I get the impression that very few
>people realize just how much better off we would be if all developers
>lived by the guidelines in this book. Karl has seen far more complicated
>action than we experience here and has invaluable wisdom on the
>technical, personal, and manegerial side of the open source model. He
>was one of the chief developers of CVS and now of Subversion. He knows
>his stuff.
>
>Iain
>
>Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
> > Dear Istvan,
> >
> > I would like to make a formal request that Istvan Varga
> > accept my sincere public apology for the language
> > I used in public emails sent to the developer's list
> > recently  and continue making his invaluable contributions
> > to Csound.
> >
> > To that end, I would be happy to withdraw my request for
> > more UDO arguments (although that would be cool and helpful)
> >
> > Rather, I would merely request that Istvan - reconsider his decision
> > to stop developing Csound and bring his heart, soul, spirit, and
> > brilliance
> > back to the developer community - the feature we need in Csound5
> > is THE dedicated developer - Istvan Varga.
> >
> > So this is my request for Csound5 - Istvan Varga.
> >
> > It is my sincere hope that he would realize (as a result of this
> > exchange on the developer's list) that even *hackish* code he doesn't
> > like or of which he is not particularly proud - such as his awesome  UDO's
> > - might just turn out to be essential tools to others - so much so
> > that users, teachers, and fans, (like me), are sometimes passionate
> > (beyond our good judgement) about wanting to see them expanded
> > and improved and say things that we wish we would not have said...
> >
> > such as - cut the !@#$ing !@#$
> >
> > Istvan, your many contributions to this community are
> > significant and extremely important - both in the code department
> > and moreover, when you are helping beginners realize
> > how certain opcodes function - i respect and value your teaching
> > immensely.
> >
> > I hope that you will accept my apology and reconsider
> >
> > Sincerely,
> >
> > Dr. B.
> >
> > PS:  A little late now, but yesterday I purchased the following book:
> >
> > *30 Days to Taming Your Tongue by Deborah Smith Pegues*
> >
> > I'll let you all know how well it worked for me - 30 days from now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
>
>
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Victor Lazzarini
Music Technology Laboratory
Music Department
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Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Can you summarise some of the important points for
> us lazy gits who don't read books?

There's a lot in there. But thesis I guess is that the best way to
collaborate on open source projects requires all parties, new and old
developers, project managers, etc, to understand how "the right to fork"
fundamentally changes the best way to manage technical and personal
issues. This changes how a projects "institution" can or can't control
things, and also how individual developers must regard their
contributions. The book also discusses a lot about how an open source
projects biggest asset is its developers, and that in successful
projects, attracting and keeping developers ( and keeping people working
together well ) is *more* important than anything else, including
techical merits in the short run.

Good read. Lots more in there I'm forgetting.

Iain


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