I agree with Rory on this.

As a matter of fact, I get concerned about  in *realtime*
(including MIDI) csd's *when compiled* as standalone exe's. Users need to
customize these for their own systems, and so need to know about and be able
to manipulate these variables. At the same time, the composer needs to
specify "typical values" for such items in their csd's.

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message -----
From: "Rory Walsh" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:47 PM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] More Lettuce Feature Requests!


> I'm not so sure about 'perform' and 'render'. I like the fact that in
> order to use Lettuce effectively one still has to know for instance how
> to set the csound options in order to render to disk or how to set it to
> render in real-time. I guess I want to steer clear of things that will
> hinder peoples exploration of csound. I think that if I include too many
> handy features Lettuce will become a composition environment of it's own
> rather than being a straightforward csound editor/frontend. Code folding
> on the other hand would be great, I just don't know how easy it would be
> to implement...
>
> Rory.
>
>
> Chris Share wrote:
> > I was thinking that another nice feature for Lettuce might be buttons
> > for rendering in real-time and rendering offline to a file--something
> > like "Perform" for real-time and "Render" for offline.
> >
> > I also think that code folding in the editor might be nice.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > Rory Walsh wrote:
> >>  >Lettuce can't play back audio files
> >>
> >> It will soon.... I have a feature in *my* current version that will
> >> let users double-click an audio file string that appears in the .csd
> >> and launch a lightweight player to play it, is that ok or would you
> >> prefer an integrated audio player? The useful thing about a
> >> lightweight external player is that it can support all file types
> >> whereas if I were to integrate one I could not guarantee that. I've
> >> also added a feature that will automatically load all of a csound
> >> files associated audio files into an editor of your choice. It would
> >> be nice to have an audio editor in Lettuce but if I started that now I
> >> would never get around to sorting out the basic things!
> >>
> >> Rory.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Also do you need
> >>
> >>> Is that right?
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>>
> >>> Chris
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That's a good point, I will think about an effective way of dealing with 
this in the standalones that one can create with Lettuce. Perhaps a 
simple settings dialog that can e accessed from the main file menu.

Rory.

Art Hunkins wrote:
> I agree with Rory on this.
> 
> As a matter of fact, I get concerned about  in *realtime*
> (including MIDI) csd's *when compiled* as standalone exe's. Users need to
> customize these for their own systems, and so need to know about and be able
> to manipulate these variables. At the same time, the composer needs to
> specify "typical values" for such items in their csd's.
> 
> Art Hunkins
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rory Walsh" 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:47 PM
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] More Lettuce Feature Requests!
> 
> 
>> I'm not so sure about 'perform' and 'render'. I like the fact that in
>> order to use Lettuce effectively one still has to know for instance how
>> to set the csound options in order to render to disk or how to set it to
>> render in real-time. I guess I want to steer clear of things that will
>> hinder peoples exploration of csound. I think that if I include too many
>> handy features Lettuce will become a composition environment of it's own
>> rather than being a straightforward csound editor/frontend. Code folding
>> on the other hand would be great, I just don't know how easy it would be
>> to implement...
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> Chris Share wrote:
>>> I was thinking that another nice feature for Lettuce might be buttons
>>> for rendering in real-time and rendering offline to a file--something
>>> like "Perform" for real-time and "Render" for offline.
>>>
>>> I also think that code folding in the editor might be nice.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>  >Lettuce can't play back audio files
>>>>
>>>> It will soon.... I have a feature in *my* current version that will
>>>> let users double-click an audio file string that appears in the .csd
>>>> and launch a lightweight player to play it, is that ok or would you
>>>> prefer an integrated audio player? The useful thing about a
>>>> lightweight external player is that it can support all file types
>>>> whereas if I were to integrate one I could not guarantee that. I've
>>>> also added a feature that will automatically load all of a csound
>>>> files associated audio files into an editor of your choice. It would
>>>> be nice to have an audio editor in Lettuce but if I started that now I
>>>> would never get around to sorting out the basic things!
>>>>
>>>> Rory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also do you need
>>>>
>>>>> Is that right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>> --
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
> 

I'm not exactly clear about this, but couldn't command line options be 
editable for the standalones. The values in the original .csd could be 
the default, which would be over-ridden by those entered into the 
standalone.

Cheers,

Chris

Rory Walsh wrote:
> That's a good point, I will think about an effective way of dealing with 
> this in the standalones that one can create with Lettuce. Perhaps a 
> simple settings dialog that can e accessed from the main file menu.
> 
> Rory.
> 
> Art Hunkins wrote:
> 
>> I agree with Rory on this.
>>
>> As a matter of fact, I get concerned about  in *realtime*
>> (including MIDI) csd's *when compiled* as standalone exe's. Users need to
>> customize these for their own systems, and so need to know about and 
>> be able
>> to manipulate these variables. At the same time, the composer needs to
>> specify "typical values" for such items in their csd's.
>>
>> Art Hunkins
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Rory Walsh" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] More Lettuce Feature Requests!
>>
>>
>>> I'm not so sure about 'perform' and 'render'. I like the fact that in
>>> order to use Lettuce effectively one still has to know for instance how
>>> to set the csound options in order to render to disk or how to set it to
>>> render in real-time. I guess I want to steer clear of things that will
>>> hinder peoples exploration of csound. I think that if I include too many
>>> handy features Lettuce will become a composition environment of it's own
>>> rather than being a straightforward csound editor/frontend. Code folding
>>> on the other hand would be great, I just don't know how easy it would be
>>> to implement...
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> Chris Share wrote:
>>>
>>>> I was thinking that another nice feature for Lettuce might be buttons
>>>> for rendering in real-time and rendering offline to a file--something
>>>> like "Perform" for real-time and "Render" for offline.
>>>>
>>>> I also think that code folding in the editor might be nice.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  >Lettuce can't play back audio files
>>>>>
>>>>> It will soon.... I have a feature in *my* current version that will
>>>>> let users double-click an audio file string that appears in the .csd
>>>>> and launch a lightweight player to play it, is that ok or would you
>>>>> prefer an integrated audio player? The useful thing about a
>>>>> lightweight external player is that it can support all file types
>>>>> whereas if I were to integrate one I could not guarantee that. I've
>>>>> also added a feature that will automatically load all of a csound
>>>>> files associated audio files into an editor of your choice. It would
>>>>> be nice to have an audio editor in Lettuce but if I started that now I
>>>>> would never get around to sorting out the basic things!
>>>>>
>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Also do you need
>>>>>
>>>>>> Is that right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>> To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>
>>

Yeah, it's just a matter of allowing users of the standalone's a way to 
alter the options, which they currently don't have.

Rory.

Chris Share wrote:
> I'm not exactly clear about this, but couldn't command line options be 
> editable for the standalones. The values in the original .csd could be 
> the default, which would be over-ridden by those entered into the 
> standalone.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> Rory Walsh wrote:
>> That's a good point, I will think about an effective way of dealing 
>> with this in the standalones that one can create with Lettuce. Perhaps 
>> a simple settings dialog that can e accessed from the main file menu.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>> Art Hunkins wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with Rory on this.
>>>
>>> As a matter of fact, I get concerned about  in *realtime*
>>> (including MIDI) csd's *when compiled* as standalone exe's. Users 
>>> need to
>>> customize these for their own systems, and so need to know about and 
>>> be able
>>> to manipulate these variables. At the same time, the composer needs to
>>> specify "typical values" for such items in their csd's.
>>>
>>> Art Hunkins
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Rory Walsh" 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, April 30, 2006 6:47 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] More Lettuce Feature Requests!
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'm not so sure about 'perform' and 'render'. I like the fact that in
>>>> order to use Lettuce effectively one still has to know for instance how
>>>> to set the csound options in order to render to disk or how to set 
>>>> it to
>>>> render in real-time. I guess I want to steer clear of things that will
>>>> hinder peoples exploration of csound. I think that if I include too 
>>>> many
>>>> handy features Lettuce will become a composition environment of it's 
>>>> own
>>>> rather than being a straightforward csound editor/frontend. Code 
>>>> folding
>>>> on the other hand would be great, I just don't know how easy it 
>>>> would be
>>>> to implement...
>>>>
>>>> Rory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Chris Share wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I was thinking that another nice feature for Lettuce might be buttons
>>>>> for rendering in real-time and rendering offline to a file--something
>>>>> like "Perform" for real-time and "Render" for offline.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also think that code folding in the editor might be nice.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>
>>>>> Chris
>>>>>
>>>>> Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  >Lettuce can't play back audio files
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It will soon.... I have a feature in *my* current version that will
>>>>>> let users double-click an audio file string that appears in the .csd
>>>>>> and launch a lightweight player to play it, is that ok or would you
>>>>>> prefer an integrated audio player? The useful thing about a
>>>>>> lightweight external player is that it can support all file types
>>>>>> whereas if I were to integrate one I could not guarantee that. I've
>>>>>> also added a feature that will automatically load all of a csound
>>>>>> files associated audio files into an editor of your choice. It would
>>>>>> be nice to have an audio editor in Lettuce but if I started that 
>>>>>> now I
>>>>>> would never get around to sorting out the basic things!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also do you need
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Is that right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Chris
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email to csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>>
>>>