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I am wondering whether this is a general feeling or
something more to do with the Windows platforms. Linux
users seem happy enough.

As far as I am concerned, I am committed to try and fix
any OSX installation issues that might arise.

Victor

>
> My view of what is going on here is simply this: the
> "average user" is somewhat frustrated currently - as I
> think is reasonable and should be expected. And we can be
> *both grateful and frustrated* at the same time - as
> Michael clearly states.
>
> Michael's frustration is completely understandable (I've
> been there too). We've continued to find bugs or otherwise
> have problems with whatever Csound4 we're using, and have
> been summarily told, "Forget it - we don't have time,
> we're working fulltime on Csound5 and can't afford to get
> derailed."
>
> We understand this, but continue to be somewhat frustrated
> - especially when we approach Csound5 and experience new
> install and configuration issues, along with minimal
> documentation. The new Csound5 user faces a learning curve
> and is struggling to "keep up." Please accept and
> understand a certain level of frustration. *With help*, it
> will pass.
>
> Art Hunkins
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Anthony Kozar" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
>
>
> > Hear! Hear!  It is discussions and posts such as those
> that I was reading in
> > this thread yesterday that I find extremely discouraging
> and acutally drive
> > me AWAY from Csound development periodically.
> >
> > Anthony Kozar
> > anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
> >
> >
> > Steven Yi wrote on 4/27/06 12:15 AM:
> >
> > > If you feel that there are issues that would
> > > positively affect yours and others user experience,
> > > voice your concerns (as you have) but please do so
> > > without the negative tone.  It's not very rewarding
> for anyone here--developer or user--to read messages with
> > > strong inflamatory language and imperative
> > > declamations, and your point will still be heard
> > > without it.  It might even make the work of fixing the
> bugs and fielding requests more enjoyable. >
> > --
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> csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>
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IMHO, Linux users are more "computer literate". They are used to more 
complex installation procedures such as building source code, working 
from the command line, etc. An "average musician" (apologies for the 
gross generalisation!) is much more likely to be a Windows user and not 
familiar with such things.

Cheers,

Chris

P.S. Linux users are also more used to software not working properly and 
having to figure out how to fix it themselves :-) )



Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie wrote:
>  
> 
> ****** Forwarded Message Follows *******
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Subject:
> Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
> From:
> Victor Lazzarini 
> Date:
> Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:41:46 +0100
> To:
> Art Hunkins 
> 
> To:
> Art Hunkins 
> 
> 
> I am wondering whether this is a general feeling or
> something more to do with the Windows platforms. Linux
> users seem happy enough.
> 
> As far as I am concerned, I am committed to try and fix
> any OSX installation issues that might arise.
> 
> Victor
> 
> 
>>My view of what is going on here is simply this: the
>>"average user" is somewhat frustrated currently - as I
>>think is reasonable and should be expected. And we can be
>>*both grateful and frustrated* at the same time - as
>>Michael clearly states.
>>
>>Michael's frustration is completely understandable (I've
>>been there too). We've continued to find bugs or otherwise
>>have problems with whatever Csound4 we're using, and have
>>been summarily told, "Forget it - we don't have time,
>>we're working fulltime on Csound5 and can't afford to get
>>derailed."
>>
>>We understand this, but continue to be somewhat frustrated
>>- especially when we approach Csound5 and experience new
>>install and configuration issues, along with minimal
>>documentation. The new Csound5 user faces a learning curve
>>and is struggling to "keep up." Please accept and
>>understand a certain level of frustration. *With help*, it
>>will pass.
>>
>>Art Hunkins
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "Anthony Kozar" 
>>To: 
>>Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:41 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
>>
>>
>>
>>>Hear! Hear!  It is discussions and posts such as those
>>
>>that I was reading in
>>
>>>this thread yesterday that I find extremely discouraging
>>
>>and acutally drive
>>
>>>me AWAY from Csound development periodically.
>>>
>>>Anthony Kozar
>>>anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
>>>
>>>
>>>Steven Yi wrote on 4/27/06 12:15 AM:
>>>
>>>
>>>>If you feel that there are issues that would
>>>>positively affect yours and others user experience,
>>>>voice your concerns (as you have) but please do so
>>>>without the negative tone.  It's not very rewarding
>>
>>for anyone here--developer or user--to read messages with
>>
>>>>strong inflamatory language and imperative
>>>>declamations, and your point will still be heard
>>>>without it.  It might even make the work of fixing the
>>
>>bugs and fielding requests more enjoyable. >
>>
>>>--
>>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>To unsubscribe, send email to
>>
>>csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>
>>--
>>Send bugs reports to this list.
>>To unsubscribe, send email to
>>csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk

Hi Chris,

I am a Systems Administrator by day and work with many various flavors of
Linux, and Unix, including OSX, as well as Windows every day. In general, I
would agree with you in your assessment but it is a wide world out there
with many flavors of composers/people. For whatever reason, I prefer not to
work from command line when composing and especially not DOS. I have done it
and if the project calls for it I will again but I have established an
intuitive and consistent way of working with my Windows machine. (Win2K,
BTW) This is primarily for the VB-A macro aspects of Excel (restricting me
to Windows) and the MOTU 2408 I use for monitoring (restricting me from
Linux). 

Michael 




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Chris Share [mailto:cshare01@qub.ac.uk]
> Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 11:56 AM
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] FWD: Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
> 
> IMHO, Linux users are more "computer literate". They are used to more
> complex installation procedures such as building source code, working
> from the command line, etc. An "average musician" (apologies for the
> gross generalisation!) is much more likely to be a Windows user and not
> familiar with such things.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Chris
> 
> P.S. Linux users are also more used to software not working properly and
> having to figure out how to fix it themselves :-) )
> 
> 
> 
> Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie wrote:
> >
> >
> > ****** Forwarded Message Follows *******
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > Subject:
> > Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
> > From:
> > Victor Lazzarini 
> > Date:
> > Thu, 27 Apr 2006 16:41:46 +0100
> > To:
> > Art Hunkins 
> >
> > To:
> > Art Hunkins 
> >
> >
> > I am wondering whether this is a general feeling or
> > something more to do with the Windows platforms. Linux
> > users seem happy enough.
> >
> > As far as I am concerned, I am committed to try and fix
> > any OSX installation issues that might arise.
> >
> > Victor
> >
> >
> >>My view of what is going on here is simply this: the
> >>"average user" is somewhat frustrated currently - as I
> >>think is reasonable and should be expected. And we can be
> >>*both grateful and frustrated* at the same time - as
> >>Michael clearly states.
> >>
> >>Michael's frustration is completely understandable (I've
> >>been there too). We've continued to find bugs or otherwise
> >>have problems with whatever Csound4 we're using, and have
> >>been summarily told, "Forget it - we don't have time,
> >>we're working fulltime on Csound5 and can't afford to get
> >>derailed."
> >>
> >>We understand this, but continue to be somewhat frustrated
> >>- especially when we approach Csound5 and experience new
> >>install and configuration issues, along with minimal
> >>documentation. The new Csound5 user faces a learning curve
> >>and is struggling to "keep up." Please accept and
> >>understand a certain level of frustration. *With help*, it
> >>will pass.
> >>
> >>Art Hunkins
> >>
> >>----- Original Message -----
> >>From: "Anthony Kozar" 
> >>To: 
> >>Sent: Thursday, April 27, 2006 10:41 AM
> >>Subject: Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>Hear! Hear!  It is discussions and posts such as those
> >>
> >>that I was reading in
> >>
> >>>this thread yesterday that I find extremely discouraging
> >>
> >>and acutally drive
> >>
> >>>me AWAY from Csound development periodically.
> >>>
> >>>Anthony Kozar
> >>>anthonykozar AT sbcglobal DOT net
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Steven Yi wrote on 4/27/06 12:15 AM:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>If you feel that there are issues that would
> >>>>positively affect yours and others user experience,
> >>>>voice your concerns (as you have) but please do so
> >>>>without the negative tone.  It's not very rewarding
> >>
> >>for anyone here--developer or user--to read messages with
> >>
> >>>>strong inflamatory language and imperative
> >>>>declamations, and your point will still be heard
> >>>>without it.  It might even make the work of fixing the
> >>
> >>bugs and fielding requests more enjoyable. >
> >>
> >>>--
> >>>Send bugs reports to this list.
> >>>To unsubscribe, send email to
> >>
> >>csound-unsubscribe@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >>
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