I have had some reports from my students that
they are having difficulties installing csound 5
on Windows. I think it has to do with Python.

Is the installer intuitive enough? I have not used
it, since I build my own MSVC-based csound on
Windows.

If the problem is to do with Python dependencies, we really
must sort it out. Can't the installer check and install
the missing components?

Victor

>
> This is exactly how I use Csound - WinXoundPro and Render
> - Real simple yet  very effective because I can focus on
> just the Csound code. All of the  postings on this issue
> is exactly what I was complaining about 2 months ago  on
> this list.
>
> I can't even get Csound 5 installed on my computer - why??
> Why do I have to  deal with Python error messages? Why do
> I even have to deal with Python? I  am not a programmer,
> nor do I have the time to be a programmer. There should
> be no reason that Csound 5 can not just run right out of
> the box like Csound  4.23.
>
> It is asking a lot for people to learn the Csound code and
> system already,  but now it is just a pain in the ass
> getting it installed on a computer. It  might has well be
> one of those programmer versions of Linux that only a
> programmer could install and work with.
>
> I agree with the remarks that Csound now feels like some
> exclusive  programmer club with the lay people like me
> being pushed out of the way. I  have been very turned off
> by this and am thinking of switching to max where  I can
> get ease of use by paying for it.
>
> I think that this is a serious issue when Dr. Boulanger
> who wrote the "Book"  on Csound is saying that people he
> knows are migrating to other systems. It  needs to be
> addressed otherwise Csound could actually become a shunned
> piece  of software due to needless and pointless
> difficulty in using it.
>
> I would be willing to pay money for Csound if I knew that
> it would work  correctly right away without any problems.
>
> Enough said - give the musicians a version that runs
> easily and smoothly  were all of the functions are
> available.
>
> B.
>
> >From: Michael Rhoades 
> >Reply-To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >To: 
> >Subject: Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
> >Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 19:48:30 -0400
> >
> >Hi Mike.
> >
> >I would imagine I work differently than most Csound users
> and so my answer >is strictly with regard to my own
> process. I write my .orc using only the >orc window of
> WinXoundPro (love the syntax highlighting) and my sco
> using >Excel (love the numerical manipulation aspects).
> What I like about Winsound >is that if none of the file
> names have changed since the last render, I use >a key
> shortcut to start it and hit enter and it renders. I do
> not need or >want an editor for the sco or the orc in that
> interface. Just a really  >quick
> >way to render my next sound file. The simpler this
> operation is, the  >better.
> >Generally I make two keystrokes and I am rendering. If I
> do change a file >name it is all right there in the main
> window. >
> >CsoundVST looks great and it is wonderfully fast but IMHO
> there seem to be >too many hoops to jump through to work
> in an intuitive, transparent way. It >looks like you
> either have to use the built in editor or import files. Am
> I >missing something?
> >
> >So Winsound's lack of features is what attracts me. With
> it I can put all  >my
> >attention on refining the orc and sco. Like Dr. B. says
> it is a matter of >maintaining the flow in that "zone" we
> crave and develop as composers. >
> >Thanks for listening,
> >
> >Michael
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 4/26/06 11:58 AM, "Michael Gogins"
>  wrote: >
> > > CsoundVST runs "out of the box" from the installer,
> for me, every time I  >have
> > > tried it, as long as Python is installed first. What
> does Winsound do  >that
> > > CsoundVST does not do?
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Mike
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: mrhoades@perceptionfactory.com
> > >> Sent: Apr 26, 2006 10:39 AM
> > >> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > >> Subject: Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
> > >>
> > >> I would agree with this point of view. It may be
> presumptuous of me but  >I
> > >> want to install Winsound and have it work, which I
> cannot get to happen  >so
> > >> far after several attempts, and I would like to have
> the same  >functionality
> > >> as version 4.23 Winsound. Then as I understand the
> > potential of the new >> features I will begin to
> incorporate them into my compositional  >processes.
> > >> That all may be easier said than done at present... I
> > do not know. >>
> > >> I truly appreciate everyone working so diligently to
> make Csound 5  >happen. I
> > >> am sure it is an enormous task.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: David Akbari [mailto:dakbari@gmail.com]
> > >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:06 AM
> > >>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > >>> Subject: Re: [Csnd] 4.23 Manual
> > >>>
> > >>> IMHO, it just boils down to the fact that there are
> > not enough >>> frontends like MacCsound, CsoundAV
> > (Csound 4), Lettuce, Cabel et al >>> (Csound 5) that
> > composers can use "right out of the box" by simply >>>
> > clicking on a few key elements. >>>
> > >>> The API design of Csound 5 lends itself well to the
> > idea of >>> encapsulating the Csound language in any
> > number of ways, but that is >>> why I do not believe it
> > to be exaggerated to say that Csound is >>> experiencing
> > some growing pains - since people are just beginning to
> > >>> realize the potential of this elegant design. >>>
> > >>> If and when MacCsound, Cecilia and CsoundAV have
> > Csound5 support, all >>> of the users that migrated to
> > SuperCollider may just be intrigued by >>> Csound once
> > again. >>>
> > >>> Many of my friends and colleagues that use Csound
> composing to film  >use
> > >>> specifically Cecilia since they don't even have to
> > know Csound exists >>> and it "just works".
> > >>>
> > >>> More of this is required if the Csound community
> wants to maintain  >it's
> > >>> draw of musicians and composers and not just
> > programmers looking for >>> something fun to do in their
> > downtime. >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> $0.02, well spent.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> -David
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Apr 26, 2006, at 8:40 AM, Rory Walsh wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> What exactly do you think Csound5 fails to offer in
> > comparison to >>>> earlier versions? As a user of csound
> > for a while I had no problem in >>>> upgrading to
> > Csound5, saying that I am not an advanced user by any
> >>>> means. Perhaps if you let the developers know they
> > can incorporate >>>> your views into future releases?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Rory.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Michael Rhoades wrote:
> > >>>>> Hello All.
> > >>>>> Can anyone tell me where I can download a copy of
> > the html, frames >>>>> version
> > >>>>> of the Csound manual? Ideally this would be for
> version 4.23f. I  >have
> > >>>>> been
> > >>>>> searching extensively for it and cannot find it
> > except as the online >>>>> version. I recently rebuilt
> > my computer and cannot seem to find a >>>>> copy of it
> > >>>>> in my backups.
> > >>>>> Also, a bit of an "against the grain" comment:
> > >>>>> I realize I am likely in the minority on this list
> > and I intend no >>>>> disrespect to the amazing
> > developers working diligently on Csound 5, >>>>> but I
> > >>>>> am somewhat  disappointed that the concept of
> > version 4 and its >>>>> predecessors
> > >>>>> appears not to be being developed further. I love
> > it for its utter >>>>> simplicity, elegance and
> > usability. It has a few bugs that I would >>>>> liked to
> > >>>>> have seen cleaned up and perhaps the code could
> > have been optimized >>>>> for
> > >>>>> speed. But otherwise it is a beautiful thing in
> > its simplicity. >>>>> Admittedly,
> > >>>>> I am rather overwhelmed as a composer,
> non-programmer, with Csound  >5.
> > >>>>> Thanks for letting me vent.
> > >>>>> Lastly, I have a new composition called "Release!"
> > on my mp3 page. I >>>>> would
> > >>>>> love to hear any comments...
> > >>>>> Michael
> >
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Am I right in saying that all that is needed is that one python dll in 
order to avoid any error messages?? I know it will run without it but 
error messages seem to scare the bijisus out of folk these days.

Rory.

Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> I have had some reports from my students that
> they are having difficulties installing csound 5
> on Windows. I think it has to do with Python.
> 
> Is the installer intuitive enough? I have not used
> it, since I build my own MSVC-based csound on
> Windows.
> 
> If the problem is to do with Python dependencies, we really
> must sort it out. Can't the installer check and install
> the missing components?
> 
> Victor
>