I view this as a question of personal taste. It would follow that providing both options is desirable.

Regards,
Mike


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>From: Istvan Varga 
>Sent: Mar 23, 2006 9:27 AM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: Re: [Csnd] The future of computer music? (was Re: [Csnd] The future of winsound)
>
>Well, my comment may have sounded somewhat too defensive, but the
>lines below from Dr. Boulanger suggested that anything with a command
>line interface is inherently inferior and antiquated compared to
>anything with a GUI, with which I do not quite agree.
>
>> Typing commandlines in the Terminal has a sort of nostalgic super  
>> user / computer wizard / hacker vibe that a few
>> of my students can totally appreciate, but for most of them...  
>> Csound5 looks and feels like a step back in time and
>> not a step forward into the future of computer music...
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Another not too humble optionion (mine) suggests that working with scores in
CSound natively is a pain. Blue offers a few options and enhancements that
can make cyclical edit and listen quite a bit less painful. So if you are
actually composing in CSound and not just making interesting sounds to put
in your DAW, it has merit. I have done it both ways, and I am leaning more
toward doing everything in Blue / CSound.

Michael Rempel

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gogins [mailto:gogins@pipeline.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 23, 2006 9:02 AM
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] The future of computer music? (was Re: [Csnd] The
> future of winsound)
>
>
> I view this as a question of personal taste. It would follow that
> providing both options is desirable.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Istvan Varga 
> >Sent: Mar 23, 2006 9:27 AM
> >To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> >Subject: Re: [Csnd] The future of computer music? (was Re:
> [Csnd] The future of winsound)
> >
> >Well, my comment may have sounded somewhat too defensive, but the
> >lines below from Dr. Boulanger suggested that anything with a command
> >line interface is inherently inferior and antiquated compared to
> >anything with a GUI, with which I do not quite agree.
> >
> >> Typing commandlines in the Terminal has a sort of nostalgic super
> >> user / computer wizard / hacker vibe that a few
> >> of my students can totally appreciate, but for most of them...
> >> Csound5 looks and feels like a step back in time and
> >> not a step forward into the future of computer music...
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> I view this as a question of personal taste. It would follow that providing both options is desirable.

Agreed, definitely.

> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> 
>>From: Istvan Varga 
>>Sent: Mar 23, 2006 9:27 AM
>>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>Subject: Re: [Csnd] The future of computer music? (was Re: [Csnd] The future of winsound)
>>
>>Well, my comment may have sounded somewhat too defensive, but the
>>lines below from Dr. Boulanger suggested that anything with a command
>>line interface is inherently inferior and antiquated compared to
>>anything with a GUI, with which I do not quite agree.
>>
>>
>>>Typing commandlines in the Terminal has a sort of nostalgic super  
>>>user / computer wizard / hacker vibe that a few
>>>of my students can totally appreciate, but for most of them...  
>>>Csound5 looks and feels like a step back in time and
>>>not a step forward into the future of computer music...
>>
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>>Send bugs reports to this list.
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> 
> 
> 
> 

> Another not too humble optionion (mine) suggests that working with scores in
> CSound natively is a pain. Blue offers a few options and enhancements that
> can make cyclical edit and listen quite a bit less painful. So if you are
> actually composing in CSound and not just making interesting sounds to put
> in your DAW, it has merit. I have done it both ways, and I am leaning more
> toward doing everything in Blue / CSound.

This is true, but there are many other score generating tools too, so
even if you don't want to use blue, you don't have to type scores note
by note. Cmask, pmask, midi2score, etc. Even I made one! (
www.xornot.com ) ;)

Iain

Steven, 

All I have to say is that blue "is the coolest" !!

Everytime that I read something like this about blue, I give serious thought
again to switching to an operating system that can actually run it.

Anthony

Steven Yi wrote on 3/24/06 2:58 AM:

> Just to note, even if you do want to use blue, besides the Csound
> score work you can do with the builtin objects, you can still use
> Cmask, pmask, nGen, your Makescore tool, CommonMusic, and any
> commandline operated score generation program within blue using the
> External SoundObject. (Stephane Boussuge puts to great use of Common
> Music and CMask within the same piece in his "Vitrail").  You can even
> create your own GUI SoundObjects with ObjectBuilder, designing UI's
> visually to work with external score generation programs (there is an
> example that comes with blue that shows using a UI with knobs to
> control parameters to be used with CMask, i.e. control the starting
> and ending density of a granular cloud by twiddling knobs). So blue
> plays well with others' music-making tools too! =)

Please don't misinterpret this as an invitation to flame...

Those of you who are using Mac OS9 -- I'd be interested to hear why  
you haven't either upgraded or (if you hate OSX) switched to a  
different platform. I'm not interested in convincing you to change,  
I'm just curious...

Chris

On Mar 24, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Steven Yi wrote:

> Hi Anthony,
>
> Thanks!  It's very flattering that you would consider switching
> because of blue.  Perhaps using a live-cd or installing Linux on an
> external hard drive that you could boot from would give you a possible
> solution to have OS9 for most of your work and switching to use blue
> and other tools.
>
> steven
>
>
> On 3/24/06, Anthony Kozar  wrote:
>> Steven,
>>
>> All I have to say is that blue "is the coolest" !!
>>
>> Everytime that I read something like this about blue, I give  
>> serious thought
>> again to switching to an operating system that can actually run it.
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> Steven Yi wrote on 3/24/06 2:58 AM:
>>
>>> Just to note, even if you do want to use blue, besides the Csound
>>> score work you can do with the builtin objects, you can still use
>>> Cmask, pmask, nGen, your Makescore tool, CommonMusic, and any
>>> commandline operated score generation program within blue using the
>>> External SoundObject. (Stephane Boussuge puts to great use of Common
>>> Music and CMask within the same piece in his "Vitrail").  You can  
>>> even
>>> create your own GUI SoundObjects with ObjectBuilder, designing UI's
>>> visually to work with external score generation programs (there  
>>> is an
>>> example that comes with blue that shows using a UI with knobs to
>>> control parameters to be used with CMask, i.e. control the starting
>>> and ending density of a granular cloud by twiddling knobs). So blue
>>> plays well with others' music-making tools too! =)
>>
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