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Re: Algorithmic composition - the simplest model

Date2006-02-10 04:06
From"Barton Price"
SubjectRe: Algorithmic composition - the simplest model

"I have nothing to say / and I am saying it / and that is poetry / as I
needed it" -- John Cage

I think 4'33" sets the base point for this discussion.



> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Mossey [mailto:mpm@alumni.caltech.edu] 
> Sent: Friday, 10 February 2006 4:51 p.m.
> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> Subject: [Csnd] Algorithmic composition - the simplest model
> 
> 
> I'm interested in the question: if you were to reduce music 
> to the simplest form which still interested you, what would it be?
> 
> One can ask this about any kind of composition, but since I'm 
> interested in researching algorithmic composition, it seems 
> like a good way to approach it.. that is, to research music 
> in its simplest form.
> 
> What would that form be for you? Would, for example, a melody 
> with no accompaniment be a basic model for music? Would that 
> contain enough of the essential "features" of music that it 
> would be a worthy testbed for ideas?
> 
> I have "Composing Music With Computers" by Miranda, which 
> discusses some simple compositional systems.. ie., 
> compositional programs which produce music in a simple form. 
> (They have to be simple because the book is a survey of 
> techniques.. I think it's great actually, but you do have to 
> find more sources if you want to understand anything in depth.)
> 
> I've noticed that most of the example composition programs or 
> systems he describes don't appeal to me as *music*.
> 
> My favorite music resonates with living movement.. dance, for 
> example, or any kind of animal movement, or breathing. The 
> thing about animals is that they don't move in the same way 
> over and over.. there is some variety. Likewise, I like a 
> sense of a "living pulse" to music. It can be a regular 
> pulse, but just not like a drum machine (bumper sticker: 
> "drum machines have no soul"). Or better, it would be an 
> irregular pulse, perhaps one that speeds up and slows down in 
> a cycle about the same length as a breath. (Our heartbeats do 
> that.) And it would vary in dynamics.
> 
> In essence, good music for me acts as an expression of a 
> living being in the moment of creating that music.
> 
> If you look at the simple examples in Miranda's book, a lot 
> of them are about composing a single line melody. And rhythm? 
> Some of the methods he presents use all quarters (i.e., all 
> the same length notes). Other examples have some notes of 
> different durations, but everything is played in 
> drum-machine-like precision through midi.
> 
> For my tastes, the simplest model of interesting music is 
> beating on a drum, with a somewhat free and irregular pulse, 
> and lots of dynamic variation. Just a single drum. But the 
> dynamic variation and living pulse would be key.
> 
> What's key for you?
> 
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
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Date2006-02-10 05:48
From"Michael Mossey"
SubjectRe: Algorithmic composition - the simplest model

>
>
> "I have nothing to say / and I am saying it / and that is poetry / as I
> needed it" -- John Cage
>
> I think 4'33" sets the base point for this discussion.
>
>
>

If you interpret 4'33" as an instruction to listen to naturally occurring
sounds, then it could potentially be a very complex composition.

Mike