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[Csnd] OT: strange vocal processing

Date2013-07-20 09:48
Frompeiman khosravi
Subject[Csnd] OT: strange vocal processing
Obviously I'm obsessed enough to have got his new album on the day that it was released. What kind of processing is applied to the vocals on this track? Sounds like some sort of formant warping. 

P

Date2013-07-20 10:22
FromOeyvind Brandtsegg
SubjectRe: [Csnd] OT: strange vocal processing
Nice track :-)
... listening on laptop speakers here, so I might miss som details, but,
perhaps using pvswarp with scaling and perhaps some slight shifting
too, both upwards of course.
I've noticed that you can make nice phaser-like effects by modulating
the scale and shift with an lfo.
It might sound as if the formant warping in the track is slightly
envelope dependent (?), like an auto-wah-phaser, that might be
arranged by mapping an envelope follower to the pvswarp scale and
shift. Just small deviations I would guess.
Feels like shooting in the dark listening on these speakers, but
perhaps it is somewhere in the right ballpark at least :-)
best
Oeyvind

2013/7/20 peiman khosravi :
> Obviously I'm obsessed enough to have got his new album on the day that it
> was released. What kind of processing is applied to the vocals on this
> track? Sounds like some sort of formant warping.
>
> P
>
>
>
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Date2013-07-20 11:03
Fromzappfinger
Subject[Csnd] Re: OT: strange vocal processing
Yes, very nice.
It sounds 'Ducky' to me, so probably pitch shifting without formant
correction, mixed with subtle reversing of the same. I seem to hear a
similar effect in some guitar licks.

Richard



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Date2013-07-20 11:49
FromRichard Dobson
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Re: OT: strange vocal processing
I'm not convinced there are necessarily pvocish or pitch-shiftish things 
going on there (I doubt he is a closet Csound user!). He has the 
"advantage" of a quality of voice suggestive of high mileage (smoking?) 
without the interference of vocal trainers. There is enough pitch wobble 
to suggest that if Autotune is being used, it is not being used to "fix" 
the tuning; maybe just to smooth things out a bit (so tantamount to a 
sort of spectral smoothing operation). There is one way or another major 
bass cut, as if to utterly remove any suggestion of proximity effect 
from singing 1 mm from the microphone, plus some sharp possibly 
multiband eq (possibly with some added m/b compression) which has the 
effect of taking out much of the "body" of the voice, and highlighting 
the high buzzy formant; sort of how Kermit might sing after a ~really~ 
rough night out. :-)

Richard Dobson


On 20/07/2013 11:03, zappfinger wrote:
> Yes, very nice.
> It sounds 'Ducky' to me, so probably pitch shifting without formant
> correction, mixed with subtle reversing of the same. I seem to hear a
> similar effect in some guitar licks.
>
> Richard
>
>
>


Date2013-07-21 22:55
Frompeiman khosravi
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Re: OT: strange vocal processing
Hello,

I'm just catching up with emails. Thanks for the replies. He's definitely crazy about autotuners. In fact, this cover of a Bob Dylan song form the same album is made offensively un-Dylan-like, thanks to the autotuner! 

P



On 20 July 2013 11:49, Richard Dobson <richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
I'm not convinced there are necessarily pvocish or pitch-shiftish things going on there (I doubt he is a closet Csound user!). He has the "advantage" of a quality of voice suggestive of high mileage (smoking?) without the interference of vocal trainers. There is enough pitch wobble to suggest that if Autotune is being used, it is not being used to "fix" the tuning; maybe just to smooth things out a bit (so tantamount to a sort of spectral smoothing operation). There is one way or another major bass cut, as if to utterly remove any suggestion of proximity effect from singing 1 mm from the microphone, plus some sharp possibly multiband eq (possibly with some added m/b compression) which has the effect of taking out much of the "body" of the voice, and highlighting the high buzzy formant; sort of how Kermit might sing after a ~really~ rough night out. :-)

Richard Dobson



On 20/07/2013 11:03, zappfinger wrote:
Yes, very nice.
It sounds 'Ducky' to me, so probably pitch shifting without formant
correction, mixed with subtle reversing of the same. I seem to hear a
similar effect in some guitar licks.

Richard






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Date2013-07-21 23:21
FromRichard Dobson
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Re: OT: strange vocal processing
Interesting! Starts out and seem mainly pentatonic; so my question is 
whether (for example) the "blue" note at 3'18" (which fits the chromatic 
scale but no the pentatonic scale) is by accident or design? Ditto the 
nice if brief M6th at 3'36". Sadly, I don't know the BD original...


Richard

On 21/07/2013 22:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I'm just catching up with emails. Thanks for the replies. He's
> definitely crazy about autotuners. In fact, this
>  cover of a Bob Dylan song
> form the same album is made offensively un-Dylan-like, thanks to the
> autotuner!
>
> P


Date2013-07-21 23:40
Frompeiman khosravi
SubjectRe: [Csnd] Re: OT: strange vocal processing
Here is Dylan's version (following a few seconds of random TV stuff!) http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTM1MjI0MDQ0.html





On 21 July 2013 23:21, Richard Dobson <richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
Interesting! Starts out and seem mainly pentatonic; so my question is whether (for example) the "blue" note at 3'18" (which fits the chromatic scale but no the pentatonic scale) is by accident or design? Ditto the nice if brief M6th at 3'36". Sadly, I don't know the BD original...


Richard


On 21/07/2013 22:55, peiman khosravi wrote:
Hello,

I'm just catching up with emails. Thanks for the replies. He's
definitely crazy about autotuners. In fact, this
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i4EOt41Okgk> cover of a Bob Dylan song

form the same album is made offensively un-Dylan-like, thanks to the
autotuner!

P



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