Hello,

I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new opcode
for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
delay time for each bin from a table?

Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.

Thanks

Peiman


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it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are  
currently not great for this
because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use  
globals).

But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying  
individual bins (which can be messy), it's
better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does it.  
For instance,

ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050

The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.

Regards

Victor

On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new opcode
> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
> delay time for each bin from a table?
>
> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peiman
>
>
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Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
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Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie





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Thanks Victor,

The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control over
the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would entail
having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.

I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
+1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?

Thanks

Peiman

On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are currently
> not great for this
> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
> globals).
>
> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does it. For
> instance,
>
> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>
> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>
> Regards
>
> Victor
>
> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new opcode
>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>
>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
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I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an instrument  
in 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.

Victor


On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Thanks Victor,
>
> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control over
> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would entail
> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.
>
> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peiman
>
> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are  
>> currently
>> not great for this
>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
>> globals).
>>
>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does  
>> it. For
>> instance,
>>
>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>
>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Victor
>>
>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new  
>>> opcode
>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>
>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>
>>
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Thanks Victor, that would be great.

However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I have
in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I misunderstand
you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
instrument already.

Best,

Peiman

On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an instrument in
> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>
> Victor
>
>
> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Thanks Victor,
>>
>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control over
>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would entail
>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.
>>
>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>> currently
>>> not great for this
>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
>>> globals).
>>>
>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does it. For
>>> instance,
>>>
>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>
>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new opcode
>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>
>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>
>>>
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> Dept. of Music
>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>
>
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Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at  
least three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral  
partial.
Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?

Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified to  
the minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay time  
'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
process. You can use any input soundfile.

Victor



-d


sr= 44100
ksmps = 10
nchnls= 2
giffts init 2048
gibuf init 0
gkt init 0
gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
ichn filenchnls p4
if ichn == 2 then
asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
else
asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
endif
asig = asig*0.3
fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
endin
instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
icf = p5 ; centre freq
ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
idel = p8
fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
; add the signal to the global bus
; assignment is not working
; so we use pvsmix
if p7 == 1 then
fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
else
fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
endif
endin
instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
fzero pvsinit 1024
asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
asig1 = kenv*asig1
asig2 = kenv*asig2
outs asig1, asig2
endin
instr 4
kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
kcnt init 0
kdel init 0
ibands = p6
kq = p7
kch init 1
even:
kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
kcf = kst*kpow
kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
kcnt = kcnt + 1
if kch >= 1 then
kch = 0
endif
if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
turnoff
endin


i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
i3 0 205 0



On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>
> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I have
> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I misunderstand
> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
> instrument already.
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an  
>> instrument in
>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>
>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control  
>>> over
>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would  
>>> entail
>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.
>>>
>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>>> currently
>>>> not great for this
>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
>>>> globals).
>>>>
>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does  
>>>> it. For
>>>> instance,
>>>>
>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>
>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>
>>>> Regards
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new  
>>>>> opcode
>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by  
>>>>> reading
>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>          https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Thanks Victor,

I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.

On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at least
> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral partial.

Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity of
the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
depending on the user-defined function.

If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after all.
Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!

> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>

Not always but sometimes!


Thanks again

Peiman

> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified to the
> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay time
> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>
> Victor
>
> 
> 
> -d
> 
> 
> sr= 44100
> ksmps = 10
> nchnls= 2
> giffts init 2048
> gibuf init 0
> gkt init 0
> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
> ichn filenchnls p4
> if ichn == 2 then
> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
> else
> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
> endif
> asig = asig*0.3
> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
> endin
> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
> icf = p5 ; centre freq
> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
> idel = p8
> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
> ; add the signal to the global bus
> ; assignment is not working
> ; so we use pvsmix
> if p7 == 1 then
> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
> else
> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
> endif
> endin
> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
> fzero pvsinit 1024
> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
> asig1 = kenv*asig1
> asig2 = kenv*asig2
> outs asig1, asig2
> endin
> instr 4
> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
> kcnt init 0
> kdel init 0
> ibands = p6
> kq = p7
> kch init 1
> even:
> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
> kcf = kst*kpow
> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
> kcnt = kcnt + 1
> if kch >= 1 then
> kch = 0
> endif
> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
> turnoff
> endin
> 
> 
> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
> i3 0 205 0
> 
> 
>
> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>
>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I have
>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I misunderstand
>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>> instrument already.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an instrument in
>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>
>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control over
>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would entail
>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.
>>>>
>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>>>> currently
>>>>> not great for this
>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
>>>>> globals).
>>>>>
>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does it.
>>>>> For
>>>>> instance,
>>>>>
>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>
>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new opcode
>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection code):

instr 4
kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
kcnt init 0
kdel init 0
ibands = p6
kq = p7
kch init 1
even:
kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
kcf = kst*kpow
kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
kcnt = kcnt + 1
if kch == 1 then
kch = 0
else
kch = 1
endif
if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
turnoff
endin
On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Thanks Victor,
>
> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>
> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at  
>> least
>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral  
>> partial.
>
> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity of
> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
> depending on the user-defined function.
>
> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after all.
> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>
>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>
>
> Not always but sometimes!
>
>
> Thanks again
>
> Peiman
>
>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified  
>> to the
>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay time
>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>> 
>> 
>> -d
>> 
>> 
>> sr= 44100
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls= 2
>> giffts init 2048
>> gibuf init 0
>> gkt init 0
>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>> ichn filenchnls p4
>> if ichn == 2 then
>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> else
>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> endif
>> asig = asig*0.3
>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>> endin
>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>> idel = p8
>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>> ; assignment is not working
>> ; so we use pvsmix
>> if p7 == 1 then
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> else
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> endif
>> endin
>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>> outs asig1, asig2
>> endin
>> instr 4
>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>> kcnt init 0
>> kdel init 0
>> ibands = p6
>> kq = p7
>> kch init 1
>> even:
>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>> kcf = kst*kpow
>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>> if kch >= 1 then
>> kch = 0
>> endif
>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>> turnoff
>> endin
>> 
>> 
>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>> i3 0 205 0
>> 
>> 
>>
>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>
>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I  
>>> have
>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I  
>>> misunderstand
>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>> instrument already.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an  
>>>> instrument in
>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise  
>>>>> control over
>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would  
>>>>> entail
>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really  
>>>>> practical.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>>>>> currently
>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to  
>>>>>> use
>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than  
>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread  
>>>>>> does it.
>>>>>> For
>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new  
>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by  
>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not  
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>         https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
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>>>>
>>>>
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>>
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>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
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This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a function
table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.

Best,

Peiman

On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection code):
>
> instr 4
> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
> kcnt init 0
> kdel init 0
> ibands = p6
> kq = p7
> kch init 1
> even:
> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
> kcf = kst*kpow
> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
> kcnt = kcnt + 1
> if kch == 1 then
> kch = 0
> else
> kch = 1
> endif
> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
> turnoff
> endin
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Thanks Victor,
>>
>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at least
>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral partial.
>>
>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity of
>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>
>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after all.
>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>
>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>
>>
>> Not always but sometimes!
>>
>>
>> Thanks again
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified to
>>> the
>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay time
>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -d
>>> 
>>> 
>>> sr= 44100
>>> ksmps = 10
>>> nchnls= 2
>>> giffts init 2048
>>> gibuf init 0
>>> gkt init 0
>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>> else
>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>> endif
>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>> endin
>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>> idel = p8
>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>> ; assignment is not working
>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>> else
>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>> endif
>>> endin
>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>> endin
>>> instr 4
>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>> kcnt init 0
>>> kdel init 0
>>> ibands = p6
>>> kq = p7
>>> kch init 1
>>> even:
>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>> kch = 0
>>> endif
>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>> turnoff
>>> endin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>> i3 0 205 0
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>
>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I have
>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I misunderstand
>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>> instrument already.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an instrument
>>>>> in
>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control over
>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would entail
>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does it.
>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new
>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>        https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
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>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>
>>>
>>>
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I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC signal
and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling factors
for the 8 gf buses.

The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig them
will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
listening space.

On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a function
> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection code):
>>
>> instr 4
>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>> kcnt init 0
>> kdel init 0
>> ibands = p6
>> kq = p7
>> kch init 1
>> even:
>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>> kcf = kst*kpow
>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>> if kch == 1 then
>> kch = 0
>> else
>> kch = 1
>> endif
>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>> turnoff
>> endin
>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>
>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at least
>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral partial.
>>>
>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity of
>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>
>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after all.
>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>
>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks again
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified to
>>>> the
>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay time
>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -d
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> sr= 44100
>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>> gkt init 0
>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>> else
>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>> endif
>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>> endin
>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>> idel = p8
>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>> else
>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>> endif
>>>> endin
>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>> endin
>>>> instr 4
>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>> kdel init 0
>>>> ibands = p6
>>>> kq = p7
>>>> kch init 1
>>>> even:
>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>> kch = 0
>>>> endif
>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>> turnoff
>>>> endin
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I have
>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I misunderstand
>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an instrument
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control over
>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would entail
>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does it.
>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new
>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>        https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi Victor,

I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay time)
the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
unaltered output?

Thanks

Peiman



-d -odac


sr= 44100
ksmps = 10
nchnls= 2

giffts init 2048
gibuf init 0
gkt init 0

gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1

instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
ichn filenchnls p4
if ichn == 2 then
asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
else
asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
endif
asig = asig*0.3
fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
endin

instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
icf = p5 ; centre freq
ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
idel = p8
fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
; add the signal to the global bus
; assignment is not working
; so we use pvsmix
if p7 == 1 then
fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
else
fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
endif
endin

instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
fzero pvsinit 1024
asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
asig1 = kenv*asig1
asig2 = kenv*asig2
outs asig1, asig2
endin

instr 4
kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
kcnt init 0
kdel init 0
ibands = p6
kq = p7
kch init 1
even:
kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
kcf = kst*kpow
kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
kcnt = kcnt + 1
if kch == 1 then
kch = 0
else

kch = 1
endif
if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
turnoff
endin



i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
i3 0 205 0



On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC signal
> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling factors
> for the 8 gf buses.
>
> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig them
> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
> listening space.
>
> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a function
>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection code):
>>>
>>> instr 4
>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>> kcnt init 0
>>> kdel init 0
>>> ibands = p6
>>> kq = p7
>>> kch init 1
>>> even:
>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>> if kch == 1 then
>>> kch = 0
>>> else
>>> kch = 1
>>> endif
>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>> turnoff
>>> endin
>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>
>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at least
>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral partial.
>>>>
>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity of
>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>
>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after all.
>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>
>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks again
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified to
>>>>> the
>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay time
>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -d
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>> else
>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>> endin
>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>> else
>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>> endif
>>>>> endin
>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>> endin
>>>>> instr 4
>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>> even:
>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>> endif
>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>> turnoff
>>>>> endin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I have
>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I misunderstand
>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an instrument
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control over
>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would entail
>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really practical.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to use
>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than delaying
>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does it.
>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new
>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by reading
>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not for
>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>        https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> Dept. of Music
>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
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maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Hi Victor,
>
> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay time)
> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
> unaltered output?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peiman
>
> 
> 
> -d -odac
> 
> 
> sr= 44100
> ksmps = 10
> nchnls= 2
>
> giffts init 2048
> gibuf init 0
> gkt init 0
>
> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>
> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
> ichn filenchnls p4
> if ichn == 2 then
> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
> else
> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
> endif
> asig = asig*0.3
> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
> endin
>
> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
> icf = p5 ; centre freq
> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
> idel = p8
> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
> ; add the signal to the global bus
> ; assignment is not working
> ; so we use pvsmix
> if p7 == 1 then
> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
> else
> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
> endif
> endin
>
> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
> fzero pvsinit 1024
> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
> asig1 = kenv*asig1
> asig2 = kenv*asig2
> outs asig1, asig2
> endin
>
> instr 4
> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
> kcnt init 0
> kdel init 0
> ibands = p6
> kq = p7
> kch init 1
> even:
> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
> kcf = kst*kpow
> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
> kcnt = kcnt + 1
> if kch == 1 then
> kch = 0
> else
>
> kch = 1
> endif
> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
> turnoff
> endin
>
> 
> 
> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
> i3 0 205 0
> 
> 
>
> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi   
> wrote:
>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC  
>> signal
>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling  
>> factors
>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>
>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig  
>> them
>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>> listening space.
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi   
>> wrote:
>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a  
>>> function
>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini   
>>> wrote:
>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection  
>>>> code):
>>>>
>>>> instr 4
>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>> kdel init 0
>>>> ibands = p6
>>>> kq = p7
>>>> kch init 1
>>>> even:
>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>> kch = 0
>>>> else
>>>> kch = 1
>>>> endif
>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>> turnoff
>>>> endin
>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>
>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing  
>>>>>> in at least
>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral  
>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option  
>>>>> of
>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the  
>>>>> integrity of
>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so  
>>>>> that
>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not  
>>>>> after all.
>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>
>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,  
>>>>>> simplified to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the  
>>>>>> delay time
>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show  
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -d
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>> even:
>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for  
>>>>>>> what I have
>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I  
>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral  
>>>>>>> panner so
>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of  
>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe  
>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an  
>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise  
>>>>>>>>> control over
>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread  
>>>>>>>>> would entail
>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really  
>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by  
>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread.  
>>>>>>>>>> UDOs are
>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would  
>>>>>>>>>> need to use
>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than  
>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how  
>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread does it.
>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a  
>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps  
>>>>>>>>>>> by reading
>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this  
>>>>>>>>>>> not for
>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
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I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing bus. I
tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
workout what exactly is the issue.

Thanks

Peiman

On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Hi Victor,
>>
>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay time)
>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>> unaltered output?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> 
>> 
>> -d -odac
>> 
>> 
>> sr= 44100
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls= 2
>>
>> giffts init 2048
>> gibuf init 0
>> gkt init 0
>>
>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>
>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>> ichn filenchnls p4
>> if ichn == 2 then
>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> else
>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> endif
>> asig = asig*0.3
>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>> endin
>>
>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>> idel = p8
>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>> ; assignment is not working
>> ; so we use pvsmix
>> if p7 == 1 then
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> else
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> endif
>> endin
>>
>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>> outs asig1, asig2
>> endin
>>
>> instr 4
>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>> kcnt init 0
>> kdel init 0
>> ibands = p6
>> kq = p7
>> kch init 1
>> even:
>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>> kcf = kst*kpow
>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>> if kch == 1 then
>> kch = 0
>> else
>>
>> kch = 1
>> endif
>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>> turnoff
>> endin
>>
>> 
>> 
>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>> i3 0 205 0
>> 
>> 
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>
>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC signal
>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling factors
>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>
>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig them
>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>> listening space.
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a function
>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection code):
>>>>>
>>>>> instr 4
>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>> even:
>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>> else
>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>> turnoff
>>>>> endin
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at
>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral
>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity of
>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after all.
>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay time
>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner so
>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would be
>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an
>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise control
>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would
>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by another
>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs are
>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to
>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than
>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread does
>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by
>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not
>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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yes, I forgot to clear the global variable. Here's a fix:



-d


sr= 44100
ksmps = 10
nchnls= 2
giffts init 2048
gibuf init 0
gkt init 0
gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
ichn filenchnls p4
if ichn == 2 then
asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
else
asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
endif
asig = asig*0.3
fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
endin
instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
icf = p5 ; centre freq
ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
idel = p8
fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
; add the signal to the global bus
; assignment is not working
; so we use pvsmix
if p7 == 1 then
fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
else
fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
endif
endin
instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
asig1 = kenv*asig1
asig2 = kenv*asig2
outs asig1, asig2
endin
instr 4
kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
kcnt init 0
kdel init 0
ibands = p6
kq = p7
kch init 1
even:
kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
kcf = kst*kpow
kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
kcnt = kcnt + 1
if kch == 1 then
kch = 0
else
kch = 1
endif
if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
turnoff
endin


i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
i3 0 205




On 24 Jun 2011, at 09:08, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Hi Victor,
>>
>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay  
>> time)
>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>> unaltered output?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> 
>> 
>> -d -odac
>> 
>> 
>> sr= 44100
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls= 2
>>
>> giffts init 2048
>> gibuf init 0
>> gkt init 0
>>
>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>
>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>> ichn filenchnls p4
>> if ichn == 2 then
>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> else
>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> endif
>> asig = asig*0.3
>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>> endin
>>
>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>> idel = p8
>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>> ; assignment is not working
>> ; so we use pvsmix
>> if p7 == 1 then
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> else
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> endif
>> endin
>>
>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>> outs asig1, asig2
>> endin
>>
>> instr 4
>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>> kcnt init 0
>> kdel init 0
>> ibands = p6
>> kq = p7
>> kch init 1
>> even:
>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>> kcf = kst*kpow
>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>> if kch == 1 then
>> kch = 0
>> else
>>
>> kch = 1
>> endif
>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>> turnoff
>> endin
>>
>> 
>> 
>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>> i3 0 205 0
>> 
>> 
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi   
>> wrote:
>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC  
>>> signal
>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling  
>>> factors
>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>
>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig  
>>> them
>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>> listening space.
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi   
>>> wrote:
>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a  
>>>> function
>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection  
>>>>> code):
>>>>>
>>>>> instr 4
>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>> even:
>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>> else
>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>> turnoff
>>>>> endin
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing  
>>>>>>> in at least
>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral  
>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the  
>>>>>> option of
>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the  
>>>>>> integrity of
>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so  
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not  
>>>>>> after all.
>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,  
>>>>>>> simplified to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the  
>>>>>>> delay time
>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for  
>>>>>>>> what I have
>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I  
>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral  
>>>>>>>> panner so
>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual  
>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of  
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe  
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an  
>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise  
>>>>>>>>>> control over
>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread  
>>>>>>>>>> would entail
>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really  
>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by  
>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread.  
>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs are
>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would  
>>>>>>>>>>> need to use
>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than  
>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how  
>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread does it.
>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement  
>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps  
>>>>>>>>>>>> by reading
>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need  
>>>>>>>>>>>> this not for
>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>       https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>>>>>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>>>>>>>>> csound"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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On 24 Jun 2011, at 09:08, Victor Lazzarini wrote:

> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Hi Victor,
>>
>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay  
>> time)
>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>> unaltered output?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> 
>> 
>> -d -odac
>> 
>> 
>> sr= 44100
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls= 2
>>
>> giffts init 2048
>> gibuf init 0
>> gkt init 0
>>
>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>
>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>> ichn filenchnls p4
>> if ichn == 2 then
>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> else
>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> endif
>> asig = asig*0.3
>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>> endin
>>
>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>> idel = p8
>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>> ; assignment is not working
>> ; so we use pvsmix
>> if p7 == 1 then
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> else
>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> endif
>> endin
>>
>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>> outs asig1, asig2
>> endin
>>
>> instr 4
>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>> kcnt init 0
>> kdel init 0
>> ibands = p6
>> kq = p7
>> kch init 1
>> even:
>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>> kcf = kst*kpow
>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>> if kch == 1 then
>> kch = 0
>> else
>>
>> kch = 1
>> endif
>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>> turnoff
>> endin
>>
>> 
>> 
>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>> i3 0 205 0
>> 
>> 
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi   
>> wrote:
>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC  
>>> signal
>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling  
>>> factors
>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>
>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig  
>>> them
>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>> listening space.
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi   
>>> wrote:
>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a  
>>>> function
>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection  
>>>>> code):
>>>>>
>>>>> instr 4
>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>> even:
>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>> else
>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>> turnoff
>>>>> endin
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing  
>>>>>>> in at least
>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral  
>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the  
>>>>>> option of
>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the  
>>>>>> integrity of
>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so  
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not  
>>>>>> after all.
>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,  
>>>>>>> simplified to
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the  
>>>>>>> delay time
>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show  
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for  
>>>>>>>> what I have
>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I  
>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral  
>>>>>>>> panner so
>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual  
>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of  
>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe  
>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an  
>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise  
>>>>>>>>>> control over
>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread  
>>>>>>>>>> would entail
>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really  
>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by  
>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread.  
>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs are
>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would  
>>>>>>>>>>> need to use
>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than  
>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how  
>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread does it.
>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement  
>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps  
>>>>>>>>>>>> by reading
>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need  
>>>>>>>>>>>> this not for
>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>
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The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables. This  
should be OK now:



-d


sr= 44100
ksmps = 10
nchnls= 2
giffts init 2048
gibuf init 0
gkt init 0
gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
ichn filenchnls p4
if ichn == 2 then
asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
else
asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
endif
asig = asig*0.3
fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
endin
instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
icf = p5 ; centre freq
ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
idel = p8
fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
; add the signal to the global bus
; assignment is not working
; so we use pvsmix
if p7 == 1 then
fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
else
fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
endif
endin
instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
asig1 = kenv*asig1
asig2 = kenv*asig2
outs asig1, asig2
endin
instr 4
kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
kcnt init 0
kdel init 0
ibands = p6
kq = p7
kch init 1
even:
kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
kcf = kst*kpow
kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
kcnt = kcnt + 1
if kch == 1 then
kch = 0
else
kch = 1
endif
if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
turnoff
endin


i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
i3 0 205




On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:

> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing bus. I
> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
> workout what exactly is the issue.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peiman
>
> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Victor,
>>>
>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay  
>>> time)
>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>>> unaltered output?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -d -odac
>>> 
>>> 
>>> sr= 44100
>>> ksmps = 10
>>> nchnls= 2
>>>
>>> giffts init 2048
>>> gibuf init 0
>>> gkt init 0
>>>
>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>
>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>> else
>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>> endif
>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>> endin
>>>
>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>> idel = p8
>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>> ; assignment is not working
>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>> else
>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>> endif
>>> endin
>>>
>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>> endin
>>>
>>> instr 4
>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>> kcnt init 0
>>> kdel init 0
>>> ibands = p6
>>> kq = p7
>>> kch init 1
>>> even:
>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>> if kch == 1 then
>>> kch = 0
>>> else
>>>
>>> kch = 1
>>> endif
>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>> turnoff
>>> endin
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>> i3 0 205 0
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and  
>>>> then
>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC  
>>>> signal
>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling  
>>>> factors
>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>
>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig  
>>>> them
>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>>> listening space.
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi   
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a  
>>>>> function
>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection  
>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>
>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>> even:
>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing  
>>>>>>>> in at
>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral
>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the  
>>>>>>> option of
>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the  
>>>>>>> integrity of
>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by- 
>>>>>>> bin,
>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner  
>>>>>>> so that
>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not  
>>>>>>> after all.
>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,  
>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the  
>>>>>>>> delay time
>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to  
>>>>>>>> show the
>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for  
>>>>>>>>> what I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral  
>>>>>>>>> panner so
>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual  
>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of  
>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe  
>>>>>>>>> would be
>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in  
>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an
>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise  
>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread  
>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by  
>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread.  
>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs are
>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would  
>>>>>>>>>>>> need to
>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how  
>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread does
>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>> Senior Lecturer
>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>>>>>>>>>>>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Thanks Victor,

This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw the
delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.

Best,

Peiman

On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables. This should
> be OK now:
>
> 
> 
> -d
> 
> 
> sr= 44100
> ksmps = 10
> nchnls= 2
> giffts init 2048
> gibuf init 0
> gkt init 0
> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
> ichn filenchnls p4
> if ichn == 2 then
> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
> else
> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
> endif
> asig = asig*0.3
> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
> endin
> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
> icf = p5 ; centre freq
> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
> idel = p8
> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
> ; add the signal to the global bus
> ; assignment is not working
> ; so we use pvsmix
> if p7 == 1 then
> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
> else
> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
> endif
> endin
> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
> asig1 = kenv*asig1
> asig2 = kenv*asig2
> outs asig1, asig2
> endin
> instr 4
> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
> kcnt init 0
> kdel init 0
> ibands = p6
> kq = p7
> kch init 1
> even:
> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
> kcf = kst*kpow
> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
> kcnt = kcnt + 1
> if kch == 1 then
> kch = 0
> else
> kch = 1
> endif
> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
> turnoff
> endin
> 
> 
> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
> i3 0 205
> 
> 
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing bus. I
>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>
>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay time)
>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -d -odac
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> sr= 44100
>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>
>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>
>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>
>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>> else
>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>> endif
>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>> endin
>>>>
>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>> idel = p8
>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>> else
>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>> endif
>>>> endin
>>>>
>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>> endin
>>>>
>>>> instr 4
>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>> kdel init 0
>>>> ibands = p6
>>>> kq = p7
>>>> kch init 1
>>>> even:
>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>> kch = 0
>>>> else
>>>>
>>>> kch = 1
>>>> endif
>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>> turnoff
>>>> endin
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC signal
>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling factors
>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig them
>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a function
>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection code):
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at
>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral
>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity
>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after
>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I
>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner
>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would
>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an
>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise
>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would
>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by
>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Hi Victor,

It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands then
there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
consecutive bins using this method right?

Thanks

Peiman


On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> Thanks Victor,
>
> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw the
> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables. This should
>> be OK now:
>>
>> 
>> 
>> -d
>> 
>> 
>> sr= 44100
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls= 2
>> giffts init 2048
>> gibuf init 0
>> gkt init 0
>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>> ichn filenchnls p4
>> if ichn == 2 then
>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> else
>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>> endif
>> asig = asig*0.3
>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>> endin
>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>> idel = p8
>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>> ; assignment is not working
>> ; so we use pvsmix
>> if p7 == 1 then
>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> else
>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>> endif
>> endin
>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>> outs asig1, asig2
>> endin
>> instr 4
>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>> kcnt init 0
>> kdel init 0
>> ibands = p6
>> kq = p7
>> kch init 1
>> even:
>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>> kcf = kst*kpow
>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>> if kch == 1 then
>> kch = 0
>> else
>> kch = 1
>> endif
>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>> turnoff
>> endin
>> 
>> 
>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>> i3 0 205
>> 
>> 
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing bus. I
>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>
>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay time)
>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>
>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>
>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>
>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>> else
>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>> endin
>>>>>
>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>> else
>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>> endif
>>>>> endin
>>>>>
>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>> endin
>>>>>
>>>>> instr 4
>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>> even:
>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>> else
>>>>>
>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>> turnoff
>>>>> endin
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC signal
>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling factors
>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig them
>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a function
>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection code):
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in at
>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral
>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option of
>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the integrity
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so that
>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after
>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece, simplified
>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay
>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show the
>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what I
>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral panner
>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual bins
>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of doing
>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe would
>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an
>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread. UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as well to  
vary in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).

Victor
On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Hi Victor,
>
> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands then
> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
> consecutive bins using this method right?
>
> Thanks
>
> Peiman
>
>
> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi   
> wrote:
>> Thanks Victor,
>>
>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw the
>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini   
>> wrote:
>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables.  
>>> This should
>>> be OK now:
>>>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -d
>>> 
>>> 
>>> sr= 44100
>>> ksmps = 10
>>> nchnls= 2
>>> giffts init 2048
>>> gibuf init 0
>>> gkt init 0
>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>> else
>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>> endif
>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>> endin
>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>> idel = p8
>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>> ; assignment is not working
>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>> else
>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>> endif
>>> endin
>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>> endin
>>> instr 4
>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>> kcnt init 0
>>> kdel init 0
>>> ibands = p6
>>> kq = p7
>>> kch init 1
>>> even:
>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>> if kch == 1 then
>>> kch = 0
>>> else
>>> kch = 1
>>> endif
>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>> turnoff
>>> endin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>> i3 0 205
>>> 
>>> 
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing  
>>>> bus. I
>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0  
>>>>>> (delay time)
>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce  
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>
>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>
>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>
>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>> even:
>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>> else
>>>>>>
>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi  
>>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker)  
>>>>>>> and then
>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between  
>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to  
>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a  
>>>>>>> DC signal
>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling  
>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as  
>>>>>>> pannig them
>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move  
>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the  
>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a  
>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel  
>>>>>>>>> selection code):
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally  
>>>>>>>>>>> appearing in at
>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a  
>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the  
>>>>>>>>>> option of
>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the  
>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin- 
>>>>>>>>>> by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the  
>>>>>>>>>> panner so that
>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not  
>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,  
>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally  
>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the  
>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to  
>>>>>>>>>>> show the
>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough  
>>>>>>>>>>>> for what I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral  
>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as  
>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with  
>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins
>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way  
>>>>>>>>>>>> of doing
>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the  
>>>>>>>>>>>> opcoe would
>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on  
>>>>>>>>>>>> in my
>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread. UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would need to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms?  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Hi Victor,

I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other by at
least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow here
though :-)

Thanks

Peiman

On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as well to vary
> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>
> Victor
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Hi Victor,
>>
>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands then
>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>
>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw the
>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables. This
>>>> should
>>>> be OK now:
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -d
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> sr= 44100
>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>> gkt init 0
>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>> else
>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>> endif
>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>> endin
>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>> idel = p8
>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>> else
>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>> endif
>>>> endin
>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>> endin
>>>> instr 4
>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>> kdel init 0
>>>> ibands = p6
>>>> kq = p7
>>>> kch init 1
>>>> even:
>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>> kch = 0
>>>> else
>>>> kch = 1
>>>> endif
>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>> turnoff
>>>> endin
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>> i3 0 205
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing bus. I
>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay
>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and then
>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC
>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling
>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig
>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the panner
>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a
>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection
>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing in
>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the option
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so
>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not after
>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the delay
>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show
>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
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No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen at the  
same (1st) control period of that instrument,
there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events at the  
same time.

Victor


On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Hi Victor,
>
> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other by at
> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow here
> though :-)
>
> Thanks
>
> Peiman
>
> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as well  
>> to vary
>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>
>> Victor
>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Victor,
>>>
>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands  
>>> then
>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>
>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw  
>>>> the
>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables.  
>>>>> This
>>>>> should
>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -d
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>> else
>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>> endin
>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>> else
>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>> endif
>>>>> endin
>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>> endin
>>>>> instr 4
>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>> even:
>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>> else
>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>> endif
>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>> turnoff
>>>>> endin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing  
>>>>>> bus. I
>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0  
>>>>>>>> (delay
>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this  
>>>>>>>> produce an
>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker)  
>>>>>>>>> and then
>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between  
>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to  
>>>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a  
>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling
>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as  
>>>>>>>>> pannig
>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move  
>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated  
>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi >>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the  
>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a
>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel  
>>>>>>>>>>> selection
>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments  
>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the  
>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to bin- 
>>>>>>>>>>>> by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the  
>>>>>>>>>>>> panner so
>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why  
>>>>>>>>>>>> not after
>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on in my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms?  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Thanks Victor, I had no idea that k-rate loops behaved in this way.
Thanks for the clarification.

Best,

Peiman

On 25 June 2011 14:48, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen at the same
> (1st) control period of that instrument,
> there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events at the same
> time.
>
> Victor
>
>
> On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Hi Victor,
>>
>> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
>> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
>> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other by at
>> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow here
>> though :-)
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as well to
>>> vary
>>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>
>>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands then
>>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw the
>>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables. This
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -d
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>> even:
>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>> else
>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>> endif
>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>> endin
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing bus. I
>>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay
>>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce an
>>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between these
>>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to calculate
>>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC
>>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling
>>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as pannig
>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from a
>>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the
>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a
>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection
>>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally appearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner so
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms? Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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yes, you can easily hang csound with one of those, if you're not  
careful.

Victor
On 25 Jun 2011, at 15:57, peiman khosravi wrote:

> Thanks Victor, I had no idea that k-rate loops behaved in this way.
> Thanks for the clarification.
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 25 June 2011 14:48, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen at  
>> the same
>> (1st) control period of that instrument,
>> there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events at  
>> the same
>> time.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Victor,
>>>
>>> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
>>> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
>>> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other  
>>> by at
>>> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow  
>>> here
>>> though :-)
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as  
>>>> well to
>>>> vary
>>>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>>>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>
>>>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands  
>>>>> then
>>>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>>>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi  
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to  
>>>>>> draw the
>>>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini  
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs  
>>>>>>> variables. This
>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global  
>>>>>>>> mixing bus. I
>>>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I  
>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0  
>>>>>>>>>> (delay
>>>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this  
>>>>>>>>>> produce an
>>>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each  
>>>>>>>>>>> speaker) and
>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately  
>>>>>>>>>>> between these
>>>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to  
>>>>>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it  
>>>>>>>>>>> a DC
>>>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude  
>>>>>>>>>>> scaling
>>>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as  
>>>>>>>>>>> pannig
>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move  
>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated  
>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi >>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the
>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times  
>>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection
>>>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going on in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spawn by an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms?  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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So just to be clear: a k-rate loop does not pass one iteration per
control period but the entire loop section runs in one control period
and the result is sent out once the condition is met?

Peiman

On 25 June 2011 17:17, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> yes, you can easily hang csound with one of those, if you're not careful.
>
> Victor
> On 25 Jun 2011, at 15:57, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> Thanks Victor, I had no idea that k-rate loops behaved in this way.
>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 25 June 2011 14:48, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen at the
>>> same
>>> (1st) control period of that instrument,
>>> there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events at the
>>> same
>>> time.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>>
>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>
>>>> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
>>>> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
>>>> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other by at
>>>> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow here
>>>> though :-)
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as well to
>>>>> vary
>>>>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>>>>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands then
>>>>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>>>>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw the
>>>>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>>>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables. This
>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing bus.
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>>>>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0 (delay
>>>>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce
>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker) and
>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between
>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to
>>>>>>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a DC
>>>>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling
>>>>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>> pannig
>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move from
>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated within
>>>>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel selection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using  pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dept. of Music
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
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yes, pretty much. Say we have this

kval = 0
beg:
kval = kval + 1
if kval <= 10 kgoto beg

will count 10 time before continuing to the rest of the code, every k- 
period.


Victor

On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:29, peiman khosravi wrote:

> So just to be clear: a k-rate loop does not pass one iteration per
> control period but the entire loop section runs in one control period
> and the result is sent out once the condition is met?
>
> Peiman
>
> On 25 June 2011 17:17, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> yes, you can easily hang csound with one of those, if you're not  
>> careful.
>>
>> Victor
>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 15:57, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks Victor, I had no idea that k-rate loops behaved in this way.
>>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 25 June 2011 14:48, Victor Lazzarini   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen  
>>>> at the
>>>> same
>>>> (1st) control period of that instrument,
>>>> there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events at  
>>>> the
>>>> same
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>
>>>>> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
>>>>> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
>>>>> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other  
>>>>> by at
>>>>> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow  
>>>>> here
>>>>> though :-)
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as  
>>>>>> well to
>>>>>> vary
>>>>>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>>>>>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the  
>>>>>>> bands then
>>>>>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>>>>>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi  
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to  
>>>>>>>> draw the
>>>>>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>>>>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs  
>>>>>>>>> variables. This
>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global  
>>>>>>>>>> mixing bus.
>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I  
>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0  
>>>>>>>>>>>> (delay
>>>>>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this  
>>>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi >>>>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker) and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it a DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> scaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannig
>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> move from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated  
>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drew the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficient way of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spawn by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using   
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (you would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1050 Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO?  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> here
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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ahh I see. I had no idea, I was under the impression that the above
code would count one time each k period.

Thanks

Peiman

On 25 June 2011 21:29, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> yes, pretty much. Say we have this
>
> kval = 0
> beg:
> kval = kval + 1
> if kval <= 10 kgoto beg
>
> will count 10 time before continuing to the rest of the code, every
> k-period.
>
>
> Victor
>
> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:29, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> So just to be clear: a k-rate loop does not pass one iteration per
>> control period but the entire loop section runs in one control period
>> and the result is sent out once the condition is met?
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 25 June 2011 17:17, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> yes, you can easily hang csound with one of those, if you're not careful.
>>>
>>> Victor
>>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 15:57, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> Thanks Victor, I had no idea that k-rate loops behaved in this way.
>>>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 25 June 2011 14:48, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen at the
>>>>> same
>>>>> (1st) control period of that instrument,
>>>>> there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events at the
>>>>> same
>>>>> time.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
>>>>>> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
>>>>>> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other by at
>>>>>> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow here
>>>>>> though :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as well
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> vary
>>>>>>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>>>>>>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands
>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>>>>>>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>>>>>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables.
>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing
>>>>>>>>>>> bus.
>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I cannot
>>>>>>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> (delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this produce
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude scaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Then you wouldn't need  a loop, as the k-period loop is implicit.

Victor
On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:56, peiman khosravi wrote:

> ahh I see. I had no idea, I was under the impression that the above
> code would count one time each k period.
>
> Thanks
>
> Peiman
>
> On 25 June 2011 21:29, Victor Lazzarini   
> wrote:
>> yes, pretty much. Say we have this
>>
>> kval = 0
>> beg:
>> kval = kval + 1
>> if kval <= 10 kgoto beg
>>
>> will count 10 time before continuing to the rest of the code, every
>> k-period.
>>
>>
>> Victor
>>
>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:29, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> So just to be clear: a k-rate loop does not pass one iteration per
>>> control period but the entire loop section runs in one control  
>>> period
>>> and the result is sent out once the condition is met?
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 25 June 2011 17:17, Victor Lazzarini   
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> yes, you can easily hang csound with one of those, if you're not  
>>>> careful.
>>>>
>>>> Victor
>>>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 15:57, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Victor, I had no idea that k-rate loops behaved in this  
>>>>> way.
>>>>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>
>>>>> On 25 June 2011 14:48, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen  
>>>>>> at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> (1st) control period of that instrument,
>>>>>> there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events  
>>>>>> at the
>>>>>> same
>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
>>>>>>> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the  
>>>>>>> frequency
>>>>>>> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each  
>>>>>>> other by at
>>>>>>> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit  
>>>>>>> slow here
>>>>>>> though :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>> >
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel  
>>>>>>>> as well
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> vary
>>>>>>>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>>>>>>>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the  
>>>>>>>>> bands
>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in  
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi >>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to  
>>>>>>>>>> draw
>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it  
>>>>>>>>>> wouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini >>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs  
>>>>>>>>>>> variables.
>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global  
>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing
>>>>>>>>>>>> bus.
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I  
>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speaker)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> feed it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> why not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> incrementally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> drew the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simple to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unless I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> efficient way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> going on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spawn by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950,  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> N_ms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDO? I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific  
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> project in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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Thanks, yes this makes sense.

Peiman

On 25 June 2011 21:09, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> Then you wouldn't need  a loop, as the k-period loop is implicit.
>
> Victor
> On 25 Jun 2011, at 20:56, peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>> ahh I see. I had no idea, I was under the impression that the above
>> code would count one time each k period.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>> On 25 June 2011 21:29, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>>>
>>> yes, pretty much. Say we have this
>>>
>>> kval = 0
>>> beg:
>>> kval = kval + 1
>>> if kval <= 10 kgoto beg
>>>
>>> will count 10 time before continuing to the rest of the code, every
>>> k-period.
>>>
>>>
>>> Victor
>>>
>>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 19:29, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>
>>>> So just to be clear: a k-rate loop does not pass one iteration per
>>>> control period but the entire loop section runs in one control period
>>>> and the result is sent out once the condition is met?
>>>>
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 25 June 2011 17:17, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> yes, you can easily hang csound with one of those, if you're not
>>>>> careful.
>>>>>
>>>>> Victor
>>>>> On 25 Jun 2011, at 15:57, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks Victor, I had no idea that k-rate loops behaved in this way.
>>>>>> Thanks for the clarification.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 25 June 2011 14:48, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, there shouldn't be any: all events issued by instr 4 happen at
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> (1st) control period of that instrument,
>>>>>>> there is a k-rate loop doing that which should fire all events at the
>>>>>>> same
>>>>>>> time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 22:04, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I mean there is a new event generated by 'event'  opcode at each
>>>>>>>> control period for instrument 2. Does this mean that the frequency
>>>>>>>> bands (one for each event) will always be offset from each other by
>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>> least one control period? I have a feeling I am being a bit slow
>>>>>>>> here
>>>>>>>> though :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 19:57, Victor Lazzarini 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Not sure what you mean. The delay is 'idel' (it can be kdel as well
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> vary
>>>>>>>>> in time). If idel = 0, the fsig output will be
>>>>>>>>> read from the point pvsbuffer wrote (no delay).
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 19:28, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> It just occurred to me that if you wanted not to delay the bands
>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>> there would still be at least one control period of delay in the
>>>>>>>>>> consecutive bins using this method right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 13:21, peiman khosravi 
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> This is really great. Next I'm gonging to work out a way to draw
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> delay times in a function table. Also, I suppose it wouldn't be
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to make the bands increase logarithmically.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 12:53, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The problem is that I forgot to clear the global pvs variables.
>>>>>>>>>>>> This
>>>>>>>>>>>> should
>>>>>>>>>>>> be OK now:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvscale fsig1, 1,0,0
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fzero, fzero
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix1,fsig
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix gfmix2,fsig
>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 200 100 0.5 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 11:07, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think the problem is with instr 4 or maybe the global mixing
>>>>>>>>>>>>> bus.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried the delay instrument on its own and work fine but I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>>>>>>>> workout what exactly is the issue.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 09:08, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> maybe there is a problem somewhere. I'll check.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 01:26, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've been trying out your csd but even when I set p8 to 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the result sound like a frozen spectrum. Shouldn't this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> produce
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unaltered output?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d -odac
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "/Applications/Max5/examples/sounds/drumLoop.aif"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:41, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am thinking of creating 8 gf buses (one for each speaker)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mixing each band (instrument instance) appropriately between
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> buses, as well as delaying them. An easy cheating way to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> calculate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vbap values would be to actually use vbap8 opcode, feed it a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DC
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> signal
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and downsample its 8 outputs and use them as amplitude
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> scaling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> factors
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for the 8 gf buses.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The idea is that delaying the bands differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pannig
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> them
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will make the segregation more pronounced, so one can move
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unified source to a totally disintegrated one, separated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> within
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> listening space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:32, peiman khosravi
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This is very clever. Seems like a good way to implement the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Just a question: how did you get the delay times from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> function
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> table, this is more or less what I am looking to do.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:26, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> By the way, instr 4 was slightly wrong (pan/channel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> selection
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> code):
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 Jun 2011, at 00:20, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I will study the csd tomorrow. Please see my comments
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bellow.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 24 June 2011 00:10, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bin by bin is overkill, as components are generally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appearing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> three bins. Remember that a bin is not the same as a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> partial.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yes I am aware of this. The idea is that the user has the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> option
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> messing up all the phase relationships by destroying the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> integrity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the FFT analysis, but of course one is not limited to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bin-by-bin,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depending on the user-defined function.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If I use your CSD then I will also have to modify the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the paning and delay follow the same principle, and why
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let me play around with it tomorrow and report back!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Also why 8192, are you using a 16384 FFT?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Not always but sometimes!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks again
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Here is the essence of my spectral delay from the piece,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> simplified
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> minimum. The delay time of each band is incrementally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> larger.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the piece, I actually used function tables and drew
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'shape' across the spectrum, but here I made it simple
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> show
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> process. You can use any input soundfile.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -d
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sr= 44100
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ksmps = 10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nchnls= 2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> giffts init 2048
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gkt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsinit giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 1 ; this instrument continually fills the buffer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ichn filenchnls p4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if ichn == 2 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig,asig2 diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig diskin2 p4, 1,0,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig = asig*0.3
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig1 pvsanal asig,giffts,giffts/4,giffts,1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gibuf,gkt pvsbuffer fsig1,10
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 2 ; this reads a certain band region, delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> icf = p5 ; centre freq
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihbw = p6 ; bandwidth
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> idel = p8
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsig pvsbufread gkt-idel,gibuf,icf-ihbw,icf+ihbw
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; add the signal to the global bus
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; assignment is not working
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ; so we use pvsmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if p7 == 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix1 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> else
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fmix pvsmix fsig, gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gfmix2 pvsmix fmix, fmix
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 3 ; this instrument resynthesises the audio
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kenv linseg 0, 0.01, 1, p3-5,1,5,0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fzero pvsinit 1024
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 pvsynth gfmix1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 pvsynth gfmix2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig1 = kenv*asig1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> asig2 = kenv*asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> outs asig1, asig2
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instr 4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kst init p5 ; lowest freq band
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel init 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ibands = p6
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kq = p7
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch init 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kpow pow sr/(2*kst), kcnt/ibands
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcf = kst*kpow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kdel = kdel + p8 ; each band is delayed p8 secs more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> event "i",2,0,p4,p4,kcf,kcf/kq,kch,kdel
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kcnt = kcnt + 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kch >= 1 then
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kch = 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endif
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if kcnt < ibands kgoto even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> turnoff
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> endin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i1 0 205 "newpiano.wav"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i4 0 1 150 50 120 20 0.05
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> i3 0 205 0
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 22:52, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor, that would be great.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However, I am not sure if this would be precise enough
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in mind as the delay is not exactly bin-by-bin, unless
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> misunderstand
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you? I would like to couple the bin delay with a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spectral
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> panner
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> so
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that each bin could be panned differently as well as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> differently. So it is essential that I work with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bins
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instead of frequency-bands. Or is there an efficient
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> doing
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this? I am worried that having 8192 instances of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcoe
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too much, considering that there is so much more going
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument already.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 22:00, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I've done this before, using over 120 instances spawn
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instrument
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 'Noctilucent Clouds". If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you'd like to see the CSD, I can send it to you.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 21:33, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Victor,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The thing is that for this particular task I need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> precise
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> control
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the time delay for each individual bin. Using
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>  pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> entail
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having Nbin instances of the opcode, which is not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> really
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> practical.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would need to, say, have each consecutive bin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delayed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> +1ms in an accumulative fashion. Does that make
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sense?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 June 2011 21:25, Victor Lazzarini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's very simple to do it with pvsbuffer and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UDOs
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> currently
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not great for this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because fsigs cannot be passed as parameters (you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> globals).
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> But it's easy to do it in an instrument. Also rather
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delaying
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> individual bins (which can be messy), it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> better to delay a range of freqs, and that is how
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pvsbufread
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> instance,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ihn, ktime pvsbuffer fsigin, 1
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fsigout pvsbufread ktime - ims/1000, ihn, 950, 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The spectral delay works in the range of 950 to 1050
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hz.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Victor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 23 Jun 2011, at 19:43, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am wondering if it would ever be possible to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> implement
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> opcode
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for temporally delaying individual bins by N_ms?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Perhaps
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> reading
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> delay time for each bin from a table?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Or can this be currently created inside a UDO? I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal spectral delay but for a specific project in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mind.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peiman
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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On 21/07/2011 10:49, peiman khosravi wrote:
> Ah and now that we are at it, another thing that is missing is spectral
> dynamic gating where one can control the attach and release times.
>
> Thanks
>

[NB: this and the previous message included 147KB of 'context'! You need 
to snip it a bit.]


I am following this thread while immersed in this and that. One thought: 
while the context is that of fsig processing, these ideas would apply 
equally to general processing of additive oscillator-bank streams. So 
there might be a case for one degree of separation, so that any opcodes 
etc were not tied to fsigs, but to  more generic oscillator-bank signals 
with conversion opcodes. Presumably this would apply equally to the 
partial-tracking opcodes. I am even thinking of the venerable 'hetro' 
facility, which has always been greatly under-served with processing 
opcodes. With the imminent pervasion of such things as GPU-based 
parallel processing, running large-scale additive oscbank streams would 
seem to be something whose time has come (again...).

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