Hello everyone.

Having sorted out my initial problem with Harmon, I'm having another one - I
get lots of crackling and popping, though I'm quite sure it's not CPU
related, as my CPU usage is around 2%. Also, it seems the input and output
aren't clipping.

I do get the message, "Harmon234: out of range" - not "samples out of
range", just "out of range.

I am using an arbitrary number instead of a pitch tracker output to define
the root - could this be the problem? Still, it doesn't seem to stop
crackling whatever setting I give it, even if I feed a stable oscillator
into it, set to the same frequency as the root in Harmon...

Would appreciate someone taking a look! Best, Jeremy
Code follows:





sr = 44100
kr = 4410
ksmps = 10
nchnls = 2




instr 1

chn_k  "rootL", 1
chn_k  "rootR", 1
chn_k  "threeL", 1
chn_k  "threeR", 1
chn_k  "fiveL", 1
chn_k  "fiveR", 1
chn_k  "sevenL", 1
chn_k  "sevenR", 1
chn_k "porttime", 1

;control invalues


irootL        chnget          "rootL"
irootR       chnget          "rootR"
gkrootL    chnget     "rootL"
gkrootR    chnget    "rootR"
ithreeL        chnget          "threeL"
ithreeR       chnget          "threeR"
gkthreeL    chnget     "threeL"
gkthreeR   chnget    "threeR"
ifiveL        chnget          "fiveL"
ifiveR        chnget          "fiveR"
gkfiveL    chnget     "fiveL"
gkfiveR    chnget    "fiveR"
isevenL    chnget          "sevenL"
isevenR      chnget          "sevenR"
gksevenL    chnget     "sevenL"
gksevenR    chnget    "sevenR"

kTime chnget "porttime"

gkrootL        portk gkrootL, kTime,  irootL
gkrootR        portk gkrootR, kTime, irootR
gkthreeL        portk gkthreeL, kTime, ithreeL
gkthreeR        portk gkthreeR, kTime, ithreeR
gkfiveL        portk gkfiveL, kTime, ifiveL
gkfiveR        portk gkfiveR, kTime, ifiveR
gksevenL        portk gksevenL, kTime, isevenL
gksevenR        portk gksevenR, kTime, isevenR



asig, asig2,   ins 


;synth stuff

aresL harmon3 asig, octcps(gkrootL), gkthreeL, gkfiveL, gksevenL, 1,
octcps(50)
aresR harmon3 asig2, octcps(gkrootR), gkthreeR, gkfiveR, gksevenR, 1,
octcps(50)
;outs and envs

denorm aresL, aresR
outs aresL, aresR
endin






          
i 1 0 36000              ; Activate the always-on chnget instrument.
e                    ; indicates the end of the score



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If you use the chnset opcode to initialize the channels with some values,
it would be easier for others to test your csd.  Or you could supply a
simple
MaxMSP patch that initializes the channels, but then only MaxMSP owners
could test it.

Davis


UnUnUnium wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> Having sorted out my initial problem with Harmon, I'm having another one -
> I get lots of crackling and popping, though I'm quite sure it's not CPU
> related, as my CPU usage is around 2%. Also, it seems the input and output
> aren't clipping.
> 
> I do get the message, "Harmon234: out of range" - not "samples out of
> range", just "out of range.
> 
> I am using an arbitrary number instead of a pitch tracker output to define
> the root - could this be the problem? Still, it doesn't seem to stop
> crackling whatever setting I give it, even if I feed a stable oscillator
> into it, set to the same frequency as the root in Harmon...
> 
> Would appreciate someone taking a look! Best, Jeremy
> Code follows:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> sr = 44100
> kr = 4410
> ksmps = 10
> nchnls = 2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> instr 1
> 
> chn_k  "rootL", 1
> chn_k  "rootR", 1
> chn_k  "threeL", 1
> chn_k  "threeR", 1
> chn_k  "fiveL", 1
> chn_k  "fiveR", 1
> chn_k  "sevenL", 1
> chn_k  "sevenR", 1
> chn_k "porttime", 1
> 
> ;control invalues
> 
> 
> irootL        chnget          "rootL"
> irootR       chnget          "rootR"
> gkrootL    chnget     "rootL"
> gkrootR    chnget    "rootR"
> ithreeL        chnget          "threeL"
> ithreeR       chnget          "threeR"
> gkthreeL    chnget     "threeL"
> gkthreeR   chnget    "threeR"
> ifiveL        chnget          "fiveL"
> ifiveR        chnget          "fiveR"
> gkfiveL    chnget     "fiveL"
> gkfiveR    chnget    "fiveR"
> isevenL    chnget          "sevenL"
> isevenR      chnget          "sevenR"
> gksevenL    chnget     "sevenL"
> gksevenR    chnget    "sevenR"
> 
> kTime chnget "porttime"
> 
> gkrootL        portk gkrootL, kTime,  irootL
> gkrootR        portk gkrootR, kTime, irootR
> gkthreeL        portk gkthreeL, kTime, ithreeL
> gkthreeR        portk gkthreeR, kTime, ithreeR
> gkfiveL        portk gkfiveL, kTime, ifiveL
> gkfiveR        portk gkfiveR, kTime, ifiveR
> gksevenL        portk gksevenL, kTime, isevenL
> gksevenR        portk gksevenR, kTime, isevenR
> 
> 
> 
> asig, asig2,   ins 
> 
> 
> ;synth stuff
> 
> aresL harmon3 asig, octcps(gkrootL), gkthreeL, gkfiveL, gksevenL, 1,
> octcps(50)
> aresR harmon3 asig2, octcps(gkrootR), gkthreeR, gkfiveR, gksevenR, 1,
> octcps(50)
> ;outs and envs
> 
> denorm aresL, aresR
> outs aresL, aresR
> endin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>           
> i 1 0 36000              ; Activate the always-on chnget instrument.
> e                    ; indicates the end of the score
> 
> 
> 
> 

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Thank you Davis,

I looked into using chnset, but quickly realised I don't really understand
how it works fundamentally - I would have to set a variable (like "krootL =
350"), then use krootL for the val of chnset? Is that right?

Sorry for my ignorance, just starting out!

In the mean time, I have posted a max patch for those who have max - should
load up all necessary values, just needs a sample to be loaded. The root
note is controllable in midi note values. Thanks for looking!
Patch follows:

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dp51 wrote:
> 
> If you use the chnset opcode to initialize the channels with some values,
> it would be easier for others to test your csd.  Or you could supply a
> simple
> MaxMSP patch that initializes the channels, but then only MaxMSP owners
> could test it.
> 
> Davis
> 
> 
> UnUnUnium wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everyone.
>> 
>> Having sorted out my initial problem with Harmon, I'm having another one
>> - I get lots of crackling and popping, though I'm quite sure it's not CPU
>> related, as my CPU usage is around 2%. Also, it seems the input and
>> output aren't clipping.
>> 
>> I do get the message, "Harmon234: out of range" - not "samples out of
>> range", just "out of range.
>> 
>> I am using an arbitrary number instead of a pitch tracker output to
>> define the root - could this be the problem? Still, it doesn't seem to
>> stop crackling whatever setting I give it, even if I feed a stable
>> oscillator into it, set to the same frequency as the root in Harmon...
>> 
>> Would appreciate someone taking a look! Best, Jeremy
>> Code follows:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> sr = 44100
>> kr = 4410
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls = 2
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> instr 1
>> 
>> chn_k  "rootL", 1
>> chn_k  "rootR", 1
>> chn_k  "threeL", 1
>> chn_k  "threeR", 1
>> chn_k  "fiveL", 1
>> chn_k  "fiveR", 1
>> chn_k  "sevenL", 1
>> chn_k  "sevenR", 1
>> chn_k "porttime", 1
>> 
>> ;control invalues
>> 
>> 
>> irootL        chnget          "rootL"
>> irootR       chnget          "rootR"
>> gkrootL    chnget     "rootL"
>> gkrootR    chnget    "rootR"
>> ithreeL        chnget          "threeL"
>> ithreeR       chnget          "threeR"
>> gkthreeL    chnget     "threeL"
>> gkthreeR   chnget    "threeR"
>> ifiveL        chnget          "fiveL"
>> ifiveR        chnget          "fiveR"
>> gkfiveL    chnget     "fiveL"
>> gkfiveR    chnget    "fiveR"
>> isevenL    chnget          "sevenL"
>> isevenR      chnget          "sevenR"
>> gksevenL    chnget     "sevenL"
>> gksevenR    chnget    "sevenR"
>> 
>> kTime chnget "porttime"
>> 
>> gkrootL        portk gkrootL, kTime,  irootL
>> gkrootR        portk gkrootR, kTime, irootR
>> gkthreeL        portk gkthreeL, kTime, ithreeL
>> gkthreeR        portk gkthreeR, kTime, ithreeR
>> gkfiveL        portk gkfiveL, kTime, ifiveL
>> gkfiveR        portk gkfiveR, kTime, ifiveR
>> gksevenL        portk gksevenL, kTime, isevenL
>> gksevenR        portk gksevenR, kTime, isevenR
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> asig, asig2,   ins 
>> 
>> 
>> ;synth stuff
>> 
>> aresL harmon3 asig, octcps(gkrootL), gkthreeL, gkfiveL, gksevenL, 1,
>> octcps(50)
>> aresR harmon3 asig2, octcps(gkrootR), gkthreeR, gkfiveR, gksevenR, 1,
>> octcps(50)
>> ;outs and envs
>> 
>> denorm aresL, aresR
>> outs aresL, aresR
>> endin
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>           
>> i 1 0 36000              ; Activate the always-on chnget instrument.
>> e                    ; indicates the end of the score
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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You forgot to post the "CSharmon2E" sub-patch.  It's "pinked" out in your
main patch.

WRT chnset, it's pretty easy to use.  Just pust something like:

  chnset 1.0, "value"

before chnget's referencing the same channel.

WRT harmon3, u really need to track the pitch of the incoming audio as best
as u can.  Using a non-tracked value for koct results in various artifacts 
(clicks, noise).  I'm beginning to think that it's not really a bug; you're
just
not using it the way it was meant to be used (I think).  In fact, you would
probably still get artifacts with pitch-tracking if the audio is spectrally
diverse.
Here's simple example (un-comment the line that's commented to listen to 
non-tracked version):



sr = 44100
ksmps = 10
nchnls = 2
0dbfs = 1
giSine ftgen 1, 0, 16385, 10, 1
instr 1
	klfo lfo 1, .25, 1
	klfo = klfo + 1.5
	kcps = 440 * klfo
	asig oscili .25, kcps, giSine
        ares harmon3 asig, octcps(kcps), 1, 1.25, 1.68, 0, octcps(50) ;
matched oct
	;ares harmon3 asig, octcps(880), 1, 1.25, 1.68, 0, octcps(50)   ; constant
oct
    outch 1, ares, 2, ares
endin


i 1 0 86400
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oops! It appears I did forget the patcher! Not on a winning streak this
week...I will include it after the message.

That is a clear explanation of chnset, I was really over thinking it. I
thought the value had to be preceded by a k,a, or i.

Regarding Harmon3, am I correct in thinking that more inharmonic partials =
more artifacts with the opcode then? What I will do is remake this code
including the suggested Csound pitch tracking opcode over the next week and
get back.

In the mean time, here is the missing abstraction below. (CSharmon2E) Thanks
for your help and patience!

Jeremy

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dp51 wrote:
> 
> You forgot to post the "CSharmon2E" sub-patch.  It's "pinked" out in your
> main patch.
> 
> WRT chnset, it's pretty easy to use.  Just pust something like:
> 
>   chnset 1.0, "value"
> 
> before chnget's referencing the same channel.
> 
> WRT harmon3, u really need to track the pitch of the incoming audio as
> best
> as u can.  Using a non-tracked value for koct results in various artifacts 
> (clicks, noise).  I'm beginning to think that it's not really a bug;
> you're just
> not using it the way it was meant to be used (I think).  In fact, you
> would
> probably still get artifacts with pitch-tracking if the audio is
> spectrally diverse.
> Here's simple example (un-comment the line that's commented to listen to 
> non-tracked version):
> 
> 
> 
> sr = 44100
> ksmps = 10
> nchnls = 2
> 0dbfs = 1
> giSine ftgen 1, 0, 16385, 10, 1
> instr 1
> 	klfo lfo 1, .25, 1
> 	klfo = klfo + 1.5
> 	kcps = 440 * klfo
> 	asig oscili .25, kcps, giSine
>         ares harmon3 asig, octcps(kcps), 1, 1.25, 1.68, 0, octcps(50) ;
> matched oct
> 	;ares harmon3 asig, octcps(880), 1, 1.25, 1.68, 0, octcps(50)   ;
> constant oct
>     outch 1, ares, 2, ares
> endin
> 
> 
> i 1 0 86400
> e 
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
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Just to follow up, I did as Davis suggested, and used the Harmon3 opcode with
spectrum and specptrk - the artifacts I mentioned are now gone. The patcher
harmonises major, minor 7th, and dim chords based on input. I will post all
the Csound and max code here for anyone who wants to have a look/play.

All the best, Jeremy

Csound code:





sr = 44100
kr = 4410
ksmps = 10
nchnls = 2




instr 1

asig, asig2,   ins 

w1 spectrum asig, .02, 7, 24, 12, 1, 3 ; and examine it
koct,kamp specptrk w1, 1, 6.5, 9.5, 7.5, 10, 7, .7, 0, 3, 1

a3 delay asig, .065 ; allow for ptrk delay
a4 delay asig2, .065 ; allow for ptrk delay


chn_k  "threeL", 1
chn_k  "threeR", 1
chn_k  "fiveL", 1
chn_k  "fiveR", 1
chn_k  "sevenL", 1
chn_k  "sevenR", 1
chn_k "porttime", 1


ithreeL        chnget          "threeL"
ithreeR       chnget          "threeR"
gkthreeL    chnget     "threeL"
gkthreeR   chnget    "threeR"
ifiveL        chnget          "fiveL"
ifiveR        chnget          "fiveR"
gkfiveL    chnget     "fiveL"
gkfiveR    chnget    "fiveR"
isevenL    chnget          "sevenL"
isevenR      chnget          "sevenR"
gksevenL    chnget     "sevenL"
gksevenR    chnget    "sevenR"

kTime chnget "porttime"


gkthreeL        portk gkthreeL, kTime, ithreeL
gkthreeR        portk gkthreeR, kTime, ithreeR
gkfiveL        portk gkfiveL, kTime, ifiveL
gkfiveR        portk gkfiveR, kTime, ifiveR
gksevenL        portk gksevenL, kTime, isevenL
gksevenR        portk gksevenR, kTime, isevenR




;synth stuff

aresL harmon3 a3, koct, gkthreeL, gkfiveL, gksevenL, 0, octcps(45)
aresR harmon3 a4, koct, gkthreeR, gkfiveR, gksevenR, 0, octcps(45)
;outs and envs

denorm aresL, aresR
outs aresL, aresR
endin






          
i 1 0 36000              ; Activate the always-on chnget instrument.
e                    ; indicates the end of the score




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> 
> oops! It appears I did forget the patcher! Not on a winning streak this
> week...I will include it after the message.
> 
> That is a clear explanation of chnset, I was really over thinking it. I
> thought the value had to be preceded by a k,a, or i.
> 
> Regarding Harmon3, am I correct in thinking that more inharmonic partials
> = more artifacts with the opcode then? What I will do is remake this code
> including the suggested Csound pitch tracking opcode over the next week
> and get back.
> 
> In the mean time, here is the missing abstraction below. (CSharmon2E)
> Thanks for your help and patience!
> 
> Jeremy
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> 
> dp51 wrote:
>> 
>> You forgot to post the "CSharmon2E" sub-patch.  It's "pinked" out in your
>> main patch.
>> 
>> WRT chnset, it's pretty easy to use.  Just pust something like:
>> 
>>   chnset 1.0, "value"
>> 
>> before chnget's referencing the same channel.
>> 
>> WRT harmon3, u really need to track the pitch of the incoming audio as
>> best
>> as u can.  Using a non-tracked value for koct results in various
>> artifacts 
>> (clicks, noise).  I'm beginning to think that it's not really a bug;
>> you're just
>> not using it the way it was meant to be used (I think).  In fact, you
>> would
>> probably still get artifacts with pitch-tracking if the audio is
>> spectrally diverse.
>> Here's simple example (un-comment the line that's commented to listen to 
>> non-tracked version):
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> sr = 44100
>> ksmps = 10
>> nchnls = 2
>> 0dbfs = 1
>> giSine ftgen 1, 0, 16385, 10, 1
>> instr 1
>> 	klfo lfo 1, .25, 1
>> 	klfo = klfo + 1.5
>> 	kcps = 440 * klfo
>> 	asig oscili .25, kcps, giSine
>>         ares harmon3 asig, octcps(kcps), 1, 1.25, 1.68, 0, octcps(50) ;
>> matched oct
>> 	;ares harmon3 asig, octcps(880), 1, 1.25, 1.68, 0, octcps(50)   ;
>> constant oct
>>     outch 1, ares, 2, ares
>> endin
>> 
>> 
>> i 1 0 86400
>> e 
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 

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Argh! Spoke too soon. Still getting artifacting, and still seeing the
"Harmon234: out of range" message. Seems slightly better than without
spectrk though.

Hmm. 


UnUnUnium wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone.
> 
> Having sorted out my initial problem with Harmon, I'm having another one -
> I get lots of crackling and popping, though I'm quite sure it's not CPU
> related, as my CPU usage is around 2%. Also, it seems the input and output
> aren't clipping.
> 
> I do get the message, "Harmon234: out of range" - not "samples out of
> range", just "out of range.
> 
> I am using an arbitrary number instead of a pitch tracker output to define
> the root - could this be the problem? Still, it doesn't seem to stop
> crackling whatever setting I give it, even if I feed a stable oscillator
> into it, set to the same frequency as the root in Harmon...
> 
> Would appreciate someone taking a look! Best, Jeremy
> Code follows:
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> sr = 44100
> kr = 4410
> ksmps = 10
> nchnls = 2
> 
> 
> 
> 
> instr 1
> 
> chn_k  "rootL", 1
> chn_k  "rootR", 1
> chn_k  "threeL", 1
> chn_k  "threeR", 1
> chn_k  "fiveL", 1
> chn_k  "fiveR", 1
> chn_k  "sevenL", 1
> chn_k  "sevenR", 1
> chn_k "porttime", 1
> 
> ;control invalues
> 
> 
> irootL        chnget          "rootL"
> irootR       chnget          "rootR"
> gkrootL    chnget     "rootL"
> gkrootR    chnget    "rootR"
> ithreeL        chnget          "threeL"
> ithreeR       chnget          "threeR"
> gkthreeL    chnget     "threeL"
> gkthreeR   chnget    "threeR"
> ifiveL        chnget          "fiveL"
> ifiveR        chnget          "fiveR"
> gkfiveL    chnget     "fiveL"
> gkfiveR    chnget    "fiveR"
> isevenL    chnget          "sevenL"
> isevenR      chnget          "sevenR"
> gksevenL    chnget     "sevenL"
> gksevenR    chnget    "sevenR"
> 
> kTime chnget "porttime"
> 
> gkrootL        portk gkrootL, kTime,  irootL
> gkrootR        portk gkrootR, kTime, irootR
> gkthreeL        portk gkthreeL, kTime, ithreeL
> gkthreeR        portk gkthreeR, kTime, ithreeR
> gkfiveL        portk gkfiveL, kTime, ifiveL
> gkfiveR        portk gkfiveR, kTime, ifiveR
> gksevenL        portk gksevenL, kTime, isevenL
> gksevenR        portk gksevenR, kTime, isevenR
> 
> 
> 
> asig, asig2,   ins 
> 
> 
> ;synth stuff
> 
> aresL harmon3 asig, octcps(gkrootL), gkthreeL, gkfiveL, gksevenL, 1,
> octcps(50)
> aresR harmon3 asig2, octcps(gkrootR), gkthreeR, gkfiveR, gksevenR, 1,
> octcps(50)
> ;outs and envs
> 
> denorm aresL, aresR
> outs aresL, aresR
> endin
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>           
> i 1 0 36000              ; Activate the always-on chnget instrument.
> e                    ; indicates the end of the score
> 
> 
> 
> 

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