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[Csnd] Re: strange = chars plain text was Re: Re: SuperCollider in 140 characters or less

Date2009-12-10 22:20
FromJim Stevenson
Subject[Csnd] Re: strange = chars plain text was Re: Re: SuperCollider in 140 characters or less
Hi.

What are all those strange characters starting with =?

They seem to clutter up posts with mime attached html.
They are generated by Winblow$ and its email programs,
and unix can not decode them.

I would much appreciate a copy of this post 
without the strange chars starting with =?

--

To iliminate those strange = chars,
Please answer in plain text, not mime attached html.

Thanks much again as always.
Jim

Please forgive if you really want to attach html 
and are using its features.

Do you know that you are posting in mime attached duplicate html?
Can you please explain why the mime attached html?
If so, may I please ask  which mail program is creating these html attachments, 
under which OS, and why?
I am absolutely certain that it is not my mail program, or anything on my end,
though your mail program may hide them from you.
This is why others may not have pointed out the mime attached html problem.

Your mime attached html post, which I have appended,
is exactly what I received.

Are you using html to display anything other than plain text?
Unless you really are using the html features,
the defaults should be set to both post and answer in plain text,
or uuencode, if plain text is not an option.
your answer mode should also be set to
answer in plain text, or answer in uuencode,
not to answer in kind.

I am most concerned about viruses in unintended attachments.

If you must quote me, please put your comments first.
I have already listened to mine.

I read email with speech,
So it is not possible to scroll past the html and quotes 
without listening to them again,
and the mime code after the header is not speech friendly.
to quickly get to the new information.
The mime attached html is far from speech friendly!

--

Thanks much again as always.


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Just one (04, which is really impressiv=
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Best

-a-

<= div>
On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:28 PM, spatz0r wrote:


Correct me if I'm= wrong, but don't some of the SC lines also load in samples
on their sid= e of the creating something interesting with 140 characters
concept?
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Date2009-12-11 12:35
Fromjpff@cs.bath.ac.uk
Subject[Csnd] Re: Re: strange = chars plain text was Re: Re: SuperCollider in 140 characters or less
Jim
  They are messages encoded in quoted-printable format and they are a
pain.  My mail agent does not understand them either so I either ignore
them (like I do HTML mail) or if I think it might be important I decode.
  The issue is diacritic marks that are not in ASCII but common in
non-English languages (Irish, French, German, Swedish, Spanish, Italian,
etc)
==John ff

> Hi.
>
> What are all those strange characters starting with =?
>
> They seem to clutter up posts with mime attached html.
> They are generated by Winblow$ and its email programs,
> and unix can not decode them.
>
> I would much appreciate a copy of this post
> without the strange chars starting with =?
>
> --
>
> To iliminate those strange = chars,
> Please answer in plain text, not mime attached html.
>
> Thanks much again as always.
> Jim
>
> Please forgive if you really want to attach html
> and are using its features.
>
> Do you know that you are posting in mime attached duplicate html?
> Can you please explain why the mime attached html?
> If so, may I please ask  which mail program is creating these html
> attachments,
> under which OS, and why?
> I am absolutely certain that it is not my mail program, or anything on my
> end,
> though your mail program may hide them from you.
> This is why others may not have pointed out the mime attached html
> problem.
>
> Your mime attached html post, which I have appended,
> is exactly what I received.
>
> Are you using html to display anything other than plain text?
> Unless you really are using the html features,
> the defaults should be set to both post and answer in plain text,
> or uuencode, if plain text is not an option.
> your answer mode should also be set to
> answer in plain text, or answer in uuencode,
> not to answer in kind.
>
> I am most concerned about viruses in unintended attachments.
>
> If you must quote me, please put your comments first.
> I have already listened to mine.
>
> I read email with speech,
> So it is not possible to scroll past the html and quotes
> without listening to them again,
> and the mime code after the header is not speech friendly.
> to quickly get to the new information.
> The mime attached html is far from speech friendly!
>
> --
>
> Thanks much again as always.
>
>
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> Just one (04, which is really impressive btw)=0A=
> =0A=
> Best=0A=
> =0A=
> -a-=0A=
> =0A=
> On Dec 10, 2009, at 8:28 PM, spatz0r wrote:=0A=
> =0A=
>>=0A=
>> Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't some of the SC lines also load in=20=
> =20=0A=
>> samples=0A=
>> on their side of the creating something interesting with 140=20=20=0A=
>> characters=0A=
>> concept?=0A=
>> --=20=0A=
>> View this message in context:
>> http://old.nabble.com/SuperCollider-in-140-=
> characters-or-less-tp26732163p26733122.html=0A=
>> Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com.=0A=
>>=0A=
>>=0A=
>>=0A=
>> Send bugs reports to this list.=0A=
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body=20=20=0A=
>> "unsubscribe csound"=0A=
> =0A=
> --------------------------------------------------=0A=
> Andrea Valle=0A=
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> CIRMA - DAMS=0A=
> Universit=E0 degli Studi di Torino=0A=
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> --------------------------------------------------=0A=
> " This is a very complicated case, Maude. You know, a lotta ins,
> a=20=20=0A=
> lotta outs, a lotta what-have-yous."=0A=
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> =0A=
> =0A=
> =0A=
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> Send bugs reports to this list.=0A=
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Best

-a-

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= > > --Apple-Mail-18-848348770-- > > > -- > > Please answer in plain text, not mime attached html. > > Thanks much again as always. > Jim > > > > > Send bugs reports to this list. > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > > Send bugs reports to this list. To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"