I'm using QuteCsound-f 0.6.1 in MacOS 10.6.8, with Csound 5.17.
Intermittently, QuteCsound quits when a real-time output render finishes. It
doesn't happen every time, but it has happened about 4 times out of 15 tries
in the past half-hour.

Should I be using a more stable version? Suggestions welcome.

--Jim Aikin


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Same thing happens using CsoundQt-d 0.7.0 alpha 6. It has quit twice out of
six real-time renders of a very short (less than 10 seconds) .csd. No
warning messages, just boom, the app is gone.

--JA

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Same thing happens using QuteCsound 0.6.1 and Csound 5.16.2. Intermittently,
QuteCsound quits after finishing the real-time render.  And I don't think
it's anything in the .csd, because it has happened with more than one .csd.

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I've seen this happen and I am wondering about it. I am suspecting the portaudio rt audio module. Could you do some tests just rendering to file to see if it keeps happening?
I have changed here to using the rtauhal module (-+rtaudio=auhal) and it appears to have stopped this behaviour.

Victor
On 12 May 2012, at 05:52, Jim Aikin wrote:

> Same thing happens using QuteCsound 0.6.1 and Csound 5.16.2. Intermittently,
> QuteCsound quits after finishing the real-time render.  And I don't think
> it's anything in the .csd, because it has happened with more than one .csd.
> 
> --JA
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Victor: I wonder if this is the same thing I was showing you with blue
and callback based audio?

Jim: Could you try using -+rtaudio=pa_bl (PortAudio blocking) and see
if that changes anything?


On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:03 AM, Victor Lazzarini
 wrote:
> I've seen this happen and I am wondering about it. I am suspecting the portaudio rt audio module. Could you do some tests just rendering to file to see if it keeps happening?
> I have changed here to using the rtauhal module (-+rtaudio=auhal) and it appears to have stopped this behaviour.
>
> Victor
> On 12 May 2012, at 05:52, Jim Aikin wrote:
>
>> Same thing happens using QuteCsound 0.6.1 and Csound 5.16.2. Intermittently,
>> QuteCsound quits after finishing the real-time render.  And I don't think
>> it's anything in the .csd, because it has happened with more than one .csd.
>>
>> --JA
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> Jim: Could you try using -+rtaudio=pa_bl (PortAudio blocking) and see
> if that changes anything? 

With that flag added to the "additional command line flags" field in the
Configure box (but with portaudio still selected in the drop-down for RT
Audio Module), I have had only one unexpected termination in about 50
playbacks. I'm juggling around with 5.16 and 5.17 and with CsQt 0.6.1 and
0.7-a6, so I can't tell you which combination was running when the
termination occurred.

One in 50 is acceptable (except for live performance, of course). If it
happens again, I'll provide more thorough data about which versions I'm
using.

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No, it just did it twice more in quick succession. Possibly I'm not
understanding your suggested fix. Am I implementing it correctly?

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Jim,

the only issue with that pa_bl is that it might not allow very low latency. If you need that, you can try -+rtaudio=auhal  which should give you no breaks at all (I never had one).

Regards

Victor
On 12 May 2012, at 19:43, Jim Aikin wrote:

>> Jim: Could you try using -+rtaudio=pa_bl (PortAudio blocking) and see
>> if that changes anything? 
> 
> With that flag added to the "additional command line flags" field in the
> Configure box (but with portaudio still selected in the drop-down for RT
> Audio Module), I have had only one unexpected termination in about 50
> playbacks. I'm juggling around with 5.16 and 5.17 and with CsQt 0.6.1 and
> 0.7-a6, so I can't tell you which combination was running when the
> termination occurred.
> 
> One in 50 is acceptable (except for live performance, of course). If it
> happens again, I'll provide more thorough data about which versions I'm
> using.
> 
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Try unchecking "use QuteCsound options" to make sure -+rtaudio=pa_bl is actually been used.

Victor
On 12 May 2012, at 20:00, Jim Aikin wrote:

> No, it just did it twice more in quick succession. Possibly I'm not
> understanding your suggested fix. Am I implementing it correctly?
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> Try unchecking "use QuteCsound options" to make sure -+rtaudio=pa_bl is
actually been used. 

When I do that, there is no real-time output at all. Instead, the CsoundQt
Run button records the output to a disk file, exactly as if I had used the
Render button.

Can you tell me how to use the command-line option shown above and still get
real-time audio output? I'm not familiar with the nuts and bolts of
portaudio, and would have no idea how to do this.

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Hi Jim,

You can add that to the CsOptions section, to make sure it is added.
Sorry I haven't been able too check. Very busy time...

Cheers,
Andrés

On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:27 PM, Jim Aikin  wrote:
>> Try unchecking "use QuteCsound options" to make sure -+rtaudio=pa_bl is
> actually been used.
>
> When I do that, there is no real-time output at all. Instead, the CsoundQt
> Run button records the output to a disk file, exactly as if I had used the
> Render button.
>
> Can you tell me how to use the command-line option shown above and still get
> real-time audio output? I'm not familiar with the nuts and bolts of
> portaudio, and would have no idea how to do this.
>
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Hello,

similar thing happesn in CsoundQt in Linux with jack audio driver.
Not a solution but workaround that saves you to restart CsQt all the time is 
to add
f0 7200 ; or similar
to  your csd and alsways stop the csd from stop button of csoundqt.

tarmo

On Friday 11 May 2012 20:31:20 Jim Aikin wrote:
> I'm using QuteCsound-f 0.6.1 in MacOS 10.6.8, with Csound 5.17.
> Intermittently, QuteCsound quits when a real-time output render finishes. It
> doesn't happen every time, but it has happened about 4 times out of 15
> tries in the past half-hour.
> 
> Should I be using a more stable version? Suggestions welcome.
> 
> --Jim Aikin
> 
> 
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Jim,

you also need the option

-o dac

for realtime audio ouput and

-i adc

for realtime audio input. 

Victor
On 12 May 2012, at 21:27, Jim Aikin wrote:

>> Try unchecking "use QuteCsound options" to make sure -+rtaudio=pa_bl is
> actually been used. 
> 
> When I do that, there is no real-time output at all. Instead, the CsoundQt
> Run button records the output to a disk file, exactly as if I had used the
> Render button.
> 
> Can you tell me how to use the command-line option shown above and still get
> real-time audio output? I'm not familiar with the nuts and bolts of
> portaudio, and would have no idea how to do this.
> 
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The combination of adding pa_bl in the extra command line flags and switching
to auhal as the real-time audio device seems to have solved the problem.
~100 runs, no unexpected quits.

Thanks! 

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Thanks, Jim, we seem to have isolated the problem, now we'll try to fix it.

Victor
On 13 May 2012, at 18:05, Jim Aikin wrote:

> The combination of adding pa_bl in the extra command line flags and switching
> to auhal as the real-time audio device seems to have solved the problem.
> ~100 runs, no unexpected quits.
> 
> Thanks! 
> 
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Dear Jim and Victor,

I have been following your thread, and I'm hopeful I can also make  
these setting changes to be able to run 0.6.1 and/or 0.7 alpha.

However, I can't quite follow all the changes, as your dialog is  
strung out over a few emails.

Could you please summarize the changes a user could make to stop all  
the crashes? I'm using csoundQT 0.6.1 and 0.7 alpha, OSX10.5.8, csound  
5.14. BTW, 0.6.0 does not crash.

Many thanks.

-Lou


On May 13, 2012, at 1:05 PM, Jim Aikin wrote:

> The combination of adding pa_bl in the extra command line flags and  
> switching
> to auhal as the real-time audio device seems to have solved the  
> problem.
> ~100 runs, no unexpected quits.
>
> Thanks!
>
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> Could you please summarize the changes a user could make to stop all  
> the crashes? I'm using csoundQT 0.6.1 and 0.7 alpha, OSX10.5.8, csound  
> 5.14. BTW, 0.6.0 does not crash. 

I made two changes, both in the Run tab of the Configuration box. (1) I
checked the checkbox by "additional command line flags" and added
-+rtaudio=pa_bl. (2) in the Realtime Play area, I chose auhal in the
dropdown as the RT Audio Module.

I don't know what auhal is. I don't remember ever noticing it before, but it
may have been there all along. Or not.

I'm using Csound 5.17, and I'm on OS 10.6.8, using CsoundQt 0.7.0 alpha 6.
So your mileage may vary. Also, I'm not using real-time input at the moment,
so I have no idea what the latency is.

Hope that helps!

--JA

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rtauhal is the new OSX RT IO module that substitutes the old rtcoreaudio that was there. In fact, coreaudio now also means auhal (it is the same module).

Latency with rtauhal can go down to -b 32, sometimes -b 16 (< 1ms round trip).

Victor

ps.: we hope to get the portaudio module fixed, I just have not got down to it yet.

On 14 May 2012, at 16:58, Jim Aikin wrote:

>> Could you please summarize the changes a user could make to stop all  
>> the crashes? I'm using csoundQT 0.6.1 and 0.7 alpha, OSX10.5.8, csound  
>> 5.14. BTW, 0.6.0 does not crash. 
> 
> I made two changes, both in the Run tab of the Configuration box. (1) I
> checked the checkbox by "additional command line flags" and added
> -+rtaudio=pa_bl. (2) in the Realtime Play area, I chose auhal in the
> dropdown as the RT Audio Module.
> 
> I don't know what auhal is. I don't remember ever noticing it before, but it
> may have been there all along. Or not.
> 
> I'm using Csound 5.17, and I'm on OS 10.6.8, using CsoundQt 0.7.0 alpha 6.
> So your mileage may vary. Also, I'm not using real-time input at the moment,
> so I have no idea what the latency is.
> 
> Hope that helps!
> 
> --JA
> 
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Jim,

Thanks for boiling that down for me. I made the command line change  
you listed. On my configuration, OSX 10.5.8, although "auhal" was  
available in the popup menu for RT audio module, I got an error when  
trying to run a csd. I changed it to "portaudio" and my csd ran as  
expected. I then tried to quit out of csoundQT 0.7 alpha and it didn't  
crash!

This is very encouraging, the first time I didn't have to force-quit.  
I'll run more tests later when I have more time.

best,
Lou

On May 14, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Jim Aikin wrote:

>> Could you please summarize the changes a user could make to stop all
>> the crashes? I'm using csoundQT 0.6.1 and 0.7 alpha, OSX10.5.8,  
>> csound
>> 5.14. BTW, 0.6.0 does not crash.
>
> I made two changes, both in the Run tab of the Configuration box.  
> (1) I
> checked the checkbox by "additional command line flags" and added
> -+rtaudio=pa_bl. (2) in the Realtime Play area, I chose auhal in the
> dropdown as the RT Audio Module.
>
> I don't know what auhal is. I don't remember ever noticing it  
> before, but it
> may have been there all along. Or not.
>
> I'm using Csound 5.17, and I'm on OS 10.6.8, using CsoundQt 0.7.0  
> alpha 6.
> So your mileage may vary. Also, I'm not using real-time input at the  
> moment,
> so I have no idea what the latency is.
>
> Hope that helps!
>
> --JA
>
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Lou,

Forgive my pedanticism, but the name CsoundQt has a lower-case t. Just
thought I'd let you know.

On 5/14/12, Louis Cohen  wrote:
> Jim,
>
> Thanks for boiling that down for me. I made the command line change
> you listed. On my configuration, OSX 10.5.8, although "auhal" was
> available in the popup menu for RT audio module, I got an error when
> trying to run a csd. I changed it to "portaudio" and my csd ran as
> expected. I then tried to quit out of csoundQT 0.7 alpha and it didn't
> crash!
>
> This is very encouraging, the first time I didn't have to force-quit.
> I'll run more tests later when I have more time.
>
> best,
> Lou
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Jim Aikin wrote:
>
>>> Could you please summarize the changes a user could make to stop all
>>> the crashes? I'm using csoundQT 0.6.1 and 0.7 alpha, OSX10.5.8,
>>> csound
>>> 5.14. BTW, 0.6.0 does not crash.
>>
>> I made two changes, both in the Run tab of the Configuration box.
>> (1) I
>> checked the checkbox by "additional command line flags" and added
>> -+rtaudio=pa_bl. (2) in the Realtime Play area, I chose auhal in the
>> dropdown as the RT Audio Module.
>>
>> I don't know what auhal is. I don't remember ever noticing it
>> before, but it
>> may have been there all along. Or not.
>>
>> I'm using Csound 5.17, and I'm on OS 10.6.8, using CsoundQt 0.7.0
>> alpha 6.
>> So your mileage may vary. Also, I'm not using real-time input at the
>> moment,
>> so I have no idea what the latency is.
>>
>> Hope that helps!
>>
>> --JA
>>
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Yikes! how could I have done that? thanks! :)
-Lou

On May 14, 2012, at 10:36 PM, Adam Puckett wrote:

> Lou,
>
> Forgive my pedanticism, but the name CsoundQt has a lower-case t. Just
> thought I'd let you know.
>
> On 5/14/12, Louis Cohen  wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> Thanks for boiling that down for me. I made the command line change
>> you listed. On my configuration, OSX 10.5.8, although "auhal" was
>> available in the popup menu for RT audio module, I got an error when
>> trying to run a csd. I changed it to "portaudio" and my csd ran as
>> expected. I then tried to quit out of csoundQT 0.7 alpha and it  
>> didn't
>> crash!
>>
>> This is very encouraging, the first time I didn't have to force-quit.
>> I'll run more tests later when I have more time.
>>
>> best,
>> Lou
>>
>> On May 14, 2012, at 11:58 AM, Jim Aikin wrote:
>>
>>>> Could you please summarize the changes a user could make to stop  
>>>> all
>>>> the crashes? I'm using csoundQT 0.6.1 and 0.7 alpha, OSX10.5.8,
>>>> csound
>>>> 5.14. BTW, 0.6.0 does not crash.
>>>
>>> I made two changes, both in the Run tab of the Configuration box.
>>> (1) I
>>> checked the checkbox by "additional command line flags" and added
>>> -+rtaudio=pa_bl. (2) in the Realtime Play area, I chose auhal in the
>>> dropdown as the RT Audio Module.
>>>
>>> I don't know what auhal is. I don't remember ever noticing it
>>> before, but it
>>> may have been there all along. Or not.
>>>
>>> I'm using Csound 5.17, and I'm on OS 10.6.8, using CsoundQt 0.7.0
>>> alpha 6.
>>> So your mileage may vary. Also, I'm not using real-time input at the
>>> moment,
>>> so I have no idea what the latency is.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps!
>>>
>>> --JA
>>>
>>> --
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