If you do not use Linux ignore this message!

In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
line without Gnome or KDE....

We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
the other distros.

So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
self-compile or use a package (and which one).

It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.

==John ffitch

Xubuntu with Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
Build Csound from source
I have used the csound and csound-dev packages available through
apt-get in the past without any problems. I think that this is
probably the first port of call for Linux users. If they can't find a
package there then it's build from source time.

On 12 October 2013 14:00, john ffitch  wrote:
> If you do not use Linux ignore this message!
>
> In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
> systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
> assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
> would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
> but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
> line without Gnome or KDE....
>
> We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
> suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
> the other distros.
>
> So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
> self-compile or use a package (and which one).
>
> It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.
>
> ==John ffitch
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>

Hello John,

I've been using csound on ubuntu since 5.01 or 5.02, I think. I always 
build from source. I never had problems that I could not fix. It's even 
easier to build with cmake than it was with scons.

Regards.

Francois


Le 12/10/2013 15:00, john ffitch a écrit :
> If you do not use Linux ignore this message!
>
> In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
> systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
> assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
> would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
> but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
> line without Gnome or KDE....
>
> We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
> suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
> the other distros.
>
> So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
> self-compile or use a package (and which one).
>
> It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.
>
> ==John ffitch
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>

I'm using the same environment as Rory. I fetch prereqs using apt-get, 
but I build Csound from sources via git. Mostly quite a smooth process, 
the only step I've had to perform in addition what I've seen documented 
was to run "sudo ldconfig" after the first time I did a build/install.

- Dave

On 10/12/2013 09:16 AM, Rory Walsh wrote:
> Xubuntu with Ubuntu 12.04.2 LTS
> Build Csound from source
> I have used the csound and csound-dev packages available through
> apt-get in the past without any problems. I think that this is
> probably the first port of call for Linux users. If they can't find a
> package there then it's build from source time.
>
> On 12 October 2013 14:00, john ffitch  wrote:
>> If you do not use Linux ignore this message!
>>
>> In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
>> systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
>> assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
>> would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
>> but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
>> line without Gnome or KDE....
>>
>> We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
>> suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
>> the other distros.
>>
>> So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
>> self-compile or use a package (and which one).
>>
>> It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.
>>
>> ==John ffitch
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
>> csound6:
>>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
>> csound5:
>>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>

Hello John,

i am mainly using Ubuntu 13.04. Sometimes Ubuntu 12.04 LTS as well.
i usually like to install applications from the Ubuntu repository by apt-get or aptitude,
so usually i am still using csound 5.17.


Recently i managed to build csound6 from the source, and found it quite easy as it can be done by just
executing the following commands on Ubuntu:

sudo apt-get build-dep csound
tar xvzf Csound6.00.1.tar.gz
cd Csound6.00.1/
mkdir build
cd build/
cmake ..
make
sudo make install

# So maybe i will have more chances to build csound from the source from now...

(2013年10月12日 22:00), john ffitch wrote:
> If you do not use Linux ignore this message!
> 
> In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
> systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
> assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
> would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
> but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
> line without Gnome or KDE....
> 
> We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
> suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
> the other distros.
> 
> So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
> self-compile or use a package (and which one).
> 
> It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.
> 
> ==John ffitch
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 
> 
> 

-- 
KITA Toshihiro
http://tkita.net/

My system is Bodhi Linux (Ubuntu-like but with Enlightenment as WM) and
KXStudio12.04.
I build Csound from git to get the latest bug fixes, and also i throw in the
STK code need to have the STK opcodes.
 



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I'm mainly on Debian Testing or Ubuntu, and have used both .deb packages and sources for csound. I find it fairly easy to build from source but I would really love some more extensive listings of dependencies not covered by "apt-get build-dep csound" to build an as complete as possible version of csound. 

Also, I believe that the philosophy of Ubuntu - to be a Linux distro for people not necessarily very computer-savvy - may call for binaries being distributed at least there. 

Regards,
/Anders



12 okt 2013 kl. 15:00 skrev john ffitch :

> If you do not use Linux ignore this message!
> 
> In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
> systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
> assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
> would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
> but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
> line without Gnome or KDE....
> 
> We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
> suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
> the other distros.
> 
> So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
> self-compile or use a package (and which one).
> 
> It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.
> 
> ==John ffitch
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>            https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>            https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 
> 

building from git on gentoo 32bit and 64 bit, gnome2 desktop.

5.19 seems to be available in portage. details below. never had a
problem building from git i couldn't solve with the help of this list.

haven't had time to explore the new features of csound6, but i am using it.

kelly

equery meta csound

 * media-sound/csound [gentoo]
Herd:        proaudio (proaudio@gentoo.org)
Maintainer:  radhermit@gentoo.org (Tim Harder)
Upstream:    None specified
Homepage:    http://csounds.com/
Location:    /usr/portage/media-sound/csound
Keywords:    5.18.02-r1:0:
Keywords:    5.19.01:0: ~amd64 ~x86

eix csound

* app-doc/csound-manual
     Available versions:  ~5.17 ~5.18 ~5.19 {html LINGUAS="fr"}
     Homepage:            http://csounds.com/
     Description:         The Csound reference manual

* app-vim/csound-syntax
     Available versions:  ~3.1
     Homepage:            http://www.eumus.edu.uy/docentes/jure/csound/vim/
     Description:         vim plugin: Syntax highlighting, filetype
detection, folding, macros, and templates for Csound files

* media-sound/csound
     Available versions:  ~5.18.02-r1 ~5.19.01 {+alsa beats chua
csoundac +cxx debug double-precision dssi examples fltk +fluidsynth
+image jack java keyboard linear lua luajit nls openmp osc portaudio
portmidi pulseaudio python samples static-libs stk tcl test +threads
+utils vim-syntax ELIBC="FreeBSD" LINGUAS="de en_GB en_US es_CO fr it ro
ru" PYTHON_SINGLE_TARGET="python2_6 python2_7" PYTHON_TARGETS="python2_6
python2_7"}
     Homepage:            http://csounds.com/
     Description:         A sound design and signal processing system
providing facilities for composition and performance


On 10/12/13 09:00, john ffitch wrote:
> If you do not use Linux ignore this message!
>
> In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
> systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
> assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
> would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
> but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
> line without Gnome or KDE....
>
> We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
> suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
> the other distros.
>
> So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
> self-compile or use a package (and which one).
>
> It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.
>
> ==John ffitch
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>

On 10/12/2013 09:00 AM, john ffitch wrote:
> ... which distro you use, do you self-compile or use a package (and which one).
>
>

Always compile it myself, have done so on various distributions and 
hardware. The essential build doesn't ask for anything out of the 
ordinary in its toolchain, I haven't found a distro yet that didn't have 
what's needed. I used cmake with other software, the switch to it wasn't 
too painful, but I don't use its GUI. I prefer the CLI for 
building/installing.

Currently building/installing from git sources, on Ubuntu 12.04, 32-bit.

Best,

dp

Hello,

For Csound, CsoundQt and Cabbage I always compile from sources.

Now I am using KXStudio 12.04-64b with low latency kernel and Linux 
Mint14-64b .

No problem on Csound 5 with scons.
With csound 6, I have compilation errors with STK , Lua and Faust opcodes.

Regards,
René



Le 12/10/2013 15:00, john ffitch a écrit :
> If you do not use Linux ignore this message!
>
> In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
> systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
> assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
> would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
> but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
> line without Gnome or KDE....
>
> We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
> suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
> the other distros.
>
> So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
> self-compile or use a package (and which one).
>
> It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.
>
> ==John ffitch
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>

For Lua opcodes you need to install and link with LuaJIT not plain Lua.

For STK, is that a package on your distro that you have installed?

For Faust, I don't think that is a package and you would probably need to install it and configure it. John would know more about that.

===========================

Michael Gogins
Irreducible Productions
http://michaelgogins.tumblr.com
Michael dot Gogins at gmail dot com

On Sat, Oct 12, 2013 at 1:55 PM, Rene Djack <rene.djack1@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello,

For Csound, CsoundQt and Cabbage I always compile from sources.

Now I am using KXStudio 12.04-64b with low latency kernel and Linux Mint14-64b .

No problem on Csound 5 with scons.
With csound 6, I have compilation errors with STK , Lua and Faust opcodes.

Regards,
René

Le 12/10/2013 15:00, john ffitch a écrit :

If you do not use Linux ignore this message!

In a discussion yesterday I wondered if we are supporting Linux
systems adequately.   Our general view has been to release sources and
assume Linux users have the build-tools and expertise to install.  I
would like to know if this is correct.  I know I build it regularly
but people frequently tell me I am non-normal for using the command
line without Gnome or KDE....

We have often created SuSE .rpm files and Debian create .deb files
suitable for them and Ubuntu.  I wonder what happens to Fedora and all
the other distros.

So, possibly off-list, could you tell me which distro you use, do you
self-compile or use a package (and which one).

It may be that this is not an issue, but I would like to know.

==John ffitch


Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
csound6:
             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
csound5:
             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
csound6:
           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
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Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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Greetings,

It just so happens that Jean-Pierre has some new code for AVSynthesis, 
with support for Cs6 and Java 7, so I figured it was time to rebuild 
Csound with the new Java.

This message is merely to point out that the build/installation process 
is a breeze.

     cmake ../
     make
     sudo make install

However, I should also point out that csnd6.jar is dumped into 
/usr/local/lib instead of /usr/local/lib/csound/java where previous 
versions put it. Will that be the default installation point from now on ?

And for a little more information:

uname -a
Linux The3800 3.8.0-26-lowlatency #18-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 27 
21:24:38 UTC 2013 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux

gcc --version
gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) 4.6.3

That machine runs a dual-core AMD64 CPU with 4G memory.

Best,

dp

That does not look like the correct place, so I guess the cmake script needs fixing
On 15 Oct 2013, at 14:06, Dave Phillips wrote:

> However, I should also point out that csnd6.jar is dumped into /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/local/lib/csound/java where previous versions put it. Will that be the default installation point from now on ?

Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
tel.: +353 1 708 3545
Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

Interesting thread. Could it be that the vast majority of Linux users
don't really mind building form source, given that Csound is itself a
language and we must 'compile' our source into sound? I imagine it
might be different it we weren't all on some level used to the idea of
turning textual declarations into something tangible. For what's it's
worth, I've never built Pure Data on my Linux box :)


On 15 October 2013 15:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
> That does not look like the correct place, so I guess the cmake script needs fixing
> On 15 Oct 2013, at 14:06, Dave Phillips wrote:
>
>> However, I should also point out that csnd6.jar is dumped into /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/local/lib/csound/java where previous versions put it. Will that be the default installation point from now on ?
>
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> Dept. of Music
> NUI Maynooth Ireland
> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>

Hi Dave and all,

Right now we have these set:

set(PYTHON_MODULE_INSTALL_DIR ${LIBRARY_INSTALL_DIR})
set(JAVA_MODULE_INSTALL_DIR ${LIBRARY_INSTALL_DIR})
set(LUA_MODULE_INSTALL_DIR ${LIBRARY_INSTALL_DIR})

Should we set this to:

set(PYTHON_MODULE_INSTALL_DIR ${LIBRARY_INSTALL_DIR}/csound/python)
set(JAVA_MODULE_INSTALL_DIR ${LIBRARY_INSTALL_DIR}/csound/java)
set(LUA_MODULE_INSTALL_DIR ${LIBRARY_INSTALL_DIR}/csound/luajit)

?

steven


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Dave Phillips  wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> It just so happens that Jean-Pierre has some new code for AVSynthesis, with
> support for Cs6 and Java 7, so I figured it was time to rebuild Csound with
> the new Java.
>
> This message is merely to point out that the build/installation process is a
> breeze.
>
>     cmake ../
>     make
>     sudo make install
>
> However, I should also point out that csnd6.jar is dumped into
> /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/local/lib/csound/java where previous versions
> put it. Will that be the default installation point from now on ?
>
> And for a little more information:
>
> uname -a
> Linux The3800 3.8.0-26-lowlatency #18-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT Thu Jun 27 21:24:38
> UTC 2013 i686 athlon i386 GNU/Linux
>
> gcc --version
> gcc (Ubuntu/Linaro 4.6.3-1ubuntu5) 4.6.3
>
> That machine runs a dual-core AMD64 CPU with 4G memory.
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>            https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>            https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"
>
>

i would not say that (
 > that the vast majority of Linux users
 > don't really mind building form source, given that Csound is itself a
 > language and we must 'compile' our source into sound
)
i'd say that the people who are here on the list are a specific 
selection of the Csound Linux Users. so, in any case, to provide 
easy-to-install packages (as was john's motivation for this thread if i 
recall correctly) is a very good idea for both: to simplify using csound 
for some "non-professional" linux users, and for getting more people 
into linux as well.

	joachim


Am 15.10.2013 16:41, schrieb Rory Walsh:
> Interesting thread. Could it be that the vast majority of Linux users
> don't really mind building form source, given that Csound is itself a
> language and we must 'compile' our source into sound? I imagine it
> might be different it we weren't all on some level used to the idea of
> turning textual declarations into something tangible. For what's it's
> worth, I've never built Pure Data on my Linux box :)
>
>
> On 15 October 2013 15:30, Victor Lazzarini  wrote:
>> That does not look like the correct place, so I guess the cmake script needs fixing
>> On 15 Oct 2013, at 14:06, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>
>>> However, I should also point out that csnd6.jar is dumped into /usr/local/lib instead of /usr/local/lib/csound/java where previous versions put it. Will that be the default installation point from now on ?
>>
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> Dept. of Music
>> NUI Maynooth Ireland
>> tel.: +353 1 708 3545
>> Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
>> csound6:
>>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
>> csound5:
>>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>              https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>
>

On 10/15/2013 12:48 PM, Justin Smith wrote:
> Personal anecdote: I had some friends that wanted to learn csound, all 
> used Linux. So I planned a session to introduce them and try some 
> simple examples.
>
> I made the mistake of assuming they would know how to build software 
> from source, and wasted two sessions getting them set up with basic 
> compilation and dev environments with barely any actual usage of 
> csound. These were not all ubuntu users.
>

Hi Justin,

 From reading the traffic on LAU and the Linux Musician forums I'd say 
that your experience would be typical now. New Linux users are coming 
into a system that has a mature desktop and a full applications stack. 
Full-featured distributions are plentiful. Thanks to the repos and 
maintainers the need to know how to compile software has diminished 
accordingly.

I learned about Linux when things were wilder and woolier. I have no 
wish for a return to the good old days, but I'm glad I learned how to 
build from source code. Thankfully, anyone still can. Linux does excel 
in its support for development environments. Where and when the need 
arises, the tools are there for the download.

Best,

dp