[Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc.
Date | 2013-10-01 20:41 |
From | zappfinger |
Subject | [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
As of to day , I cannot access the Csound manuals? Is Csound a government thing ? ;-) Richard -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
Date | 2013-10-01 21:17 |
From | Steven Yi |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Interesting, on the main site I'm seeing: Under Construction This site is under constuction. Please check back in a few hours for the new version of csounds.com On Tue, Oct 1, 2013 at 3:41 PM, zappfinger |
Date | 2013-10-02 01:40 |
From | _cKonopka |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
The site is down today because we are uploading the new Csound website and we apologize if this has created any problems for anyone today. The new site will contain all of the info of the previous site along with many new bits of information and will be updated frequently with weekly news. I have been working on migrating the website for a while now to make sure everything is there and we don't miss a beat. If there are any concerns, questions, observations or anything you are curious about, let me know! I would love the community's input on the site and if anything is not working. I can be reached by email through the forum or via the new csound twitter @CsoundCommunity. Thank you for understanding and it will be back shortly! -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5727986.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
Date | 2013-10-02 01:42 |
From | Steven Yi |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Very cool, looking forward to seeing what you all have put together! On Oct 1, 2013 8:40 PM, "_cKonopka" <opkach@gmail.com> wrote:
The site is down today because we are uploading the new Csound website and we |
Date | 2013-10-02 09:38 |
From | Christopher Konopka |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
On 10/1/13 8:42 PM, Steven Yi wrote:
The new Csounds.com is up and ready to go :) If there are anything that needs fixing let us know! Thank you and enjoy! - Christopher |
Date | 2013-10-02 10:07 |
From | Rory Walsh |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Nice face lift! One thing though, I'm not sure about the 'C-based audio programming language' part. I'd be concerned that new users might assume they need a knowledge of C to use Csound, which certainly isn't the case? On 2 October 2013 09:38, Christopher Konopka |
Date | 2013-10-02 10:39 |
From | Jacques Leplat |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Nice update! All the best, Jacques |
Date | 2013-10-02 11:29 |
From | Oeyvind Brandtsegg |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
+1 Great work guys. 2013/10/2 Jacques Leplat |
Date | 2013-10-02 12:50 |
From | Justin Smith |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
furthermore, people who know C may be misled to think csound syntax is like C syntax On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 3:29 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg <oyvind.brandtsegg@ntnu.no> wrote: +1 |
Date | 2013-10-02 15:25 |
From | Christopher Konopka |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
On 10/2/13 6:29 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote: > +1 > Great work guys. > > > 2013/10/2 Jacques Leplat |
Date | 2013-10-02 15:45 |
From | Richard Dobson |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
+1 Csound is really rather a polylingual thing these days (embedded Python etc), so something which highlighted that fact would be good to have. Is it in fact unique in this aspect? What other systems (musical or otherwise) are there, in reasonably general use, which feature languages within languages? Richard Dobson On 02/10/2013 15:25, Christopher Konopka wrote: > On 10/2/13 6:29 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote: >> +1 >> Great work guys. >> >> ... |
Date | 2013-10-02 15:51 |
From | zappfinger |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
a quick inspection will make them clear this is not so. I have no objection in mentioning that it's c based, since that is where the speed comes from... Richard -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5728007.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
Date | 2013-10-02 16:18 |
From | Steven Yi |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Thanks Christopher for the updated site! Overall I'm happy to see that the site is moving forward. That said, I took a brief pass through the site and had some comments (added below). As for the tagline, my vote is remove language and have "A System for Sound and Music". * general notes * I find the site hard to read. In general, the font seems a bit small and too thin. The font is nice for headers. * Too much whitespace IMO. I think cycling74.com uses a style that's common, with a top bar in a color, white for main content, then another style for the bottom footer navigation and things. I'd prefer something like this. * About Page * I think there should be an about page and have it be a top-level link. This seems critical for anyone who would be coming to the site who is not familiar with Csound. * http://www.csounds.com/resources/downloads/ * remove my name please * add a note that this is for the latest stable release * add note that one needs to use the develop branch for latest developer code * More information on how to use GitHub => change to "Git" * Fix "Csound5 repo" to Csound 6 * fix manual repo to have "git clone git://git.code.sf.net/p/csound/manual6-git" * http://www.csounds.com/community/publications/ * Csound for Android -> add my name please * http://www.csounds.com/resources/learning/ * I think there should be a cross link to the books section that's under store * There doesn't seem to be a link to the FLOSS manual; I'd argue that this should be under learning, books, and and documentation Journal: the page looks nice; * would have liked some contact to know this would be done * this page replicates the complete article index, but does not have the links to the Csound Magazine articles that are present there * http://www.csounds.com/community/media/music/ * could use some text, rather than just two players * http://www.csounds.com/shop/csound-for-ios/ * It'd be good for there to be a page for Android Applications * iDensity is misspelled * number of other iOS applications that could be here On Wed, Oct 2, 2013 at 10:51 AM, zappfinger |
Date | 2013-10-02 16:18 |
From | Victor Lazzarini |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
System is probably more inclusive than language. The system includes the language. On 2 Oct 2013, at 15:25, Christopher Konopka wrote: > On 10/2/13 6:29 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote: >> +1 >> Great work guys. >> >> >> 2013/10/2 Jacques Leplat |
Date | 2013-10-02 16:19 |
From | Victor Lazzarini |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
It's not completely c-based, there are C++ opcodes too. On 2 Oct 2013, at 15:51, zappfinger wrote: > a quick inspection will make them clear this is not so. > I have no objection in mentioning that it's c based, since that is where the > speed comes from... > > Richard > > > > -- > View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5728007.html > Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers > csound6: > https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/ > csound5: > https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/ > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > Dr Victor Lazzarini Senior Lecturer Dept. of Music NUI Maynooth Ireland tel.: +353 1 708 3545 Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie |
Date | 2013-10-02 16:29 |
From | Jim Aikin |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
I applaud the fact that you've done redesign and appreciate your hard work! That said, I personally find the large ever-changing graphic annoying. If I see something intriguing there but can't click on it quickly enough, I have to cast my eyes around the page looking for a matching thumbnail graphic. This is, in my opinion, too glitzy and not functional enough -- especially as the matching thumbnails are jumbled out across three different geometric areas. Wouldn't it be better to have larger thumbnails in a more coherent arrangement and ditch the animated graphic entirely? Also, there's some duplication. The graphics for "Csound 6 released" and "Download" are virtually identical, but they lead to different places. This adds to the confusion, I think. In sum, the design doesn't communicate. That's my 2 cents, anyhow. Sorry to be an old, print-oriented curmudgeon. -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5728011.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
Date | 2013-10-02 23:42 |
From | Richard Dobson |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Had a thought: it would be great to have an example of code visible without needing too much mouse gymnastics. My reason is that I am hoping to interest UK schools in (among other things) Csound, for both music and computing courses. Few teachers have the time to download something, install and run it just to see what it looks like. In many cases school network security restrictions (i.e. utter lock-down) make such a thing impossible anyway, without leaping through usually expensive flaming hoops. So if they can go to csounds.com and more or less instantly see an actual ~simple~ example (and be able to hear the result), that will help a great deal. So I am wondering if this is targetted a bit too much at existing users (e.g. people who already know what "C-based" might mean), and not so much at people who may be investigating it for the first time. Richard Dobson http://people.bath.ac.uk/masrwd/smcs/smcshome.html On 02/10/2013 10:07, Rory Walsh wrote: > Nice face lift! One thing though, I'm not sure about the 'C-based > audio programming language' part. I'd be concerned that new users > might assume they need a knowledge of C to use Csound, which certainly > isn't the case? > |
Date | 2013-10-02 23:54 |
From | Victor Lazzarini |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
That would be something like NetCsound with streaming, would it not? Victor On 2 Oct 2013, at 23:42, Richard Dobson wrote: > Had a thought: > > it would be great to have an example of code visible without needing too much mouse gymnastics. My reason is that I am hoping to interest UK schools in (among other things) Csound, for both music and computing courses. Few teachers have the time to download something, install and run it just to see what it looks like. In many cases school network security restrictions (i.e. utter lock-down) make such a thing impossible anyway, without leaping through usually expensive flaming hoops. So if they can go to csounds.com and more or less instantly see an actual ~simple~ example (and be able to hear the result), that will help a great deal. > > So I am wondering if this is targetted a bit too much at existing users (e.g. people who already know what "C-based" might mean), and not so much at people who may be investigating it for the first time. > > > Richard Dobson > http://people.bath.ac.uk/masrwd/smcs/smcshome.html > > On 02/10/2013 10:07, Rory Walsh wrote: >> Nice face lift! One thing though, I'm not sure about the 'C-based >> audio programming language' part. I'd be concerned that new users >> might assume they need a knowledge of C to use Csound, which certainly >> isn't the case? >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers > csound6: > https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/ > csound5: > https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/ > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > Dr Victor Lazzarini Senior Lecturer Dept. of Music NUI Maynooth Ireland tel.: +353 1 708 3545 Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie |
Date | 2013-10-03 01:11 |
From | Richard Dobson |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
That would be to take it to the next level; I was just thinking of a code example or two plus a linked soundfile. But yes, I do see the possibility some day of a version of NetCound where you write/edit the code directly in the browser. Might need HTML5. Maybe one day a Csound version of pythontutor? http://www.pythontutor.com/ Richard Dobson On 02/10/2013 23:54, Victor Lazzarini wrote: > That would be something like NetCsound with streaming, would it not? > > Victor On 2 Oct 2013, at 23:42, Richard Dobson wrote: > >> Had a thought: >> >> it would be great to have an example of code visible without >> needing too much mouse gymnastics. ... |
Date | 2013-10-03 08:50 |
From | Rory Walsh |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
A former student of mine had a working prototype of a Csound plugin for web browsers. It worked quite well, and much like pythontutor. The code is there for anyone who is interested, or has some knowledge of these technologies. It would be absolutely amazing to have an online Csound editor on the site. On 3 October 2013 01:11, Richard Dobson |
Date | 2013-10-03 15:16 |
From | Dave Seidel |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Just to weigh in on the site "subtitle" on the main page: I too think that we should use something better than "C-Based Audio Programming Language". This is of historical interest, but (IMO) neither informative or attractive for users. As a user, I don't really care about the implementation, I care about the interface that's exposed to me -- which is certainly not C. And as a professional programmer who used C for many years, I would not necessarily choose a tool if I thought I had to write C (or C-like) code. Just my opinion. - Dave On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Rory Walsh <rorywalsh@ear.ie> wrote: A former student of mine had a working prototype of a Csound plugin |
Date | 2013-10-03 16:07 |
From | Steven Yi |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Hi Rory, That'd be very interesting to see what your student did for a Csound plugin. Could you point out where the code is? steven On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 3:50 AM, Rory Walsh |
Date | 2013-10-03 16:08 |
From | David Akbari |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Used to be nice when there was a list of past people who have worked on and maintained csounds.com at one time or another. It was almost a mini-history in a way. I see you have removed that bit in favor of only your name. Congrats on the new site. Cheers, David On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 9:16 AM, Dave Seidel <dave.seidel@gmail.com> wrote:
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Date | 2013-10-03 16:11 |
From | Rory Walsh |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
If I'm not mistaken you helped us pit with it!! sent from a mobile device... On 3 Oct 2013 16:07, "Steven Yi" <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rory, |
Date | 2013-10-03 16:30 |
From | Steven Yi |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Oh, yes, I remember this project. The issue there though is that it is not a generic web plugin. It requires running the WADE system on the user's computer. I have been interested to see a web plugin that can be deployed to user's browsers. The problems I see now are that browsers have announced that they will be dropping support for NPAPI (at least, Chrome and Firefox have announced it for next year I believe). That leaves PPAPI and NaCL as possible technologies to look at. I'd like to see something that can be scripted via Javascript and used as part of an HTML5 system. One can imagine using Processing.js or other visual system together with Csound in that case, which would be very nice, IMO. On Thu, Oct 3, 2013 at 11:11 AM, Rory Walsh |
Date | 2013-10-03 22:10 |
From | Jim Aikin |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
One more note on the redesign. There's a graphic on the home page that prominently says "Floss Manuals." But this links to the Learning page ... where there's no link to the Floss Manual. -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5728076.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
Date | 2013-10-04 05:32 |
From | laurence |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
There are a number of broken links on http://www.csounds.com/mastering/index.html To be specific, the links to the manual, ezine, faq, and catalog are all broken. Furthermore, the link to ftp://ftp.csounds.com/manual doesn't serve the user any useful purpose...
Regards, Laurence On 4 October 2013 05:10, Jim Aikin <midiguru23@sbcglobal.net> wrote: One more note on the redesign. There's a graphic on the home page that |
Date | 2013-10-06 15:49 |
From | Bernt Isak Wærstad |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Some sort of outline or shadow thing around the big graphics would be nice. Something like - to follow Stevens reference - they have on cycling74-site. Especially the pictures with white content on the sides messes up the layout of the page in my eyes. Also maybe something around the items on the left side. Otherwise a very nice face lift!On Fri, Oct 4, 2013 at 6:32 AM, laurence <laurence.capelin@gmail.com> wrote:
-- Mvh. Bernt Isak Wærstad |
Date | 2013-10-06 20:44 |
From | Ed Costello |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Steven, Have you seen emscripten https://github.com/kripken/emscripten/, it's an LLVM to Javascript converter. I figured porting Csound to Javascript would probably be a bit mad, but there are a fair amount of impressive projects they have ported so far like the Unreal engine 3. Still, realtime audio might be a stretch.On 3 October 2013 17:30, Steven Yi <stevenyi@gmail.com> wrote: Oh, yes, I remember this project. The issue there though is that it |
Date | 2013-10-07 00:06 |
From | _cKonopka |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Thank you for all of the input. With the conference coming up I am rather swamped with various projects (installations, conference documentation, social media, etc.) so I apologize I have not been able to get to these changes promptly. The goal is to use this input to make the site better and accommodate as many changes as possible that are agreed upon. I know it is not currently up to snuff but this is the first step in making a bigger community and enhance the current one by making this a community project. In no way, am I saying that this is mine or trying to take anything away from the community or take any work you have created over the years. Ultimately, I am looking for everyone to provide examples of how versatile Csound is and display how creative you can be with this medium. The site was created for the community and ultimately it will be maintained by the community as the months go on. It has been hard juggling everything lately for me so please bare with me as I know some of you may be upset with what has been created. Things will most definitely get better and in the coming months I am looking to crowd source from the community for all types of information (documentation, music, videos, code examples, etc.). This new information, along with the previously ported information, will help make this new site become the landing point for anyone that ever looks up anything pertaining to Csound. The idea in mind is to construct something in essence like the cycling74 site but again this is a process that will continue until the community is satisfied. Lets push Csound to new places with making it easier to approach through design, great examples, and most importantly, a great community. Again, thank you for your patience and your responses, I will get to these things soon and if there are any questions feel free to get a hold of me. Thank you! - ck -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5728135.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
Date | 2013-10-17 02:30 |
From | _cKonopka |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
+1 NetCsound sounds like an amazing idea. A site like pythontutor.com is a great goal to strive for. -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5728428.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |
Date | 2013-10-17 05:17 |
From | John Clements |
Subject | Re: [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Chris, thank you so much for taking the lead on redesigning and improving the site's focus and utility to our community. Your efforts are a huge relief to me, having struggled with the old site and keeping it functional while battling issues with the CMS, Viagra spammers etc... If you need help, ask, and please remember that your work to improve our community platform is supported by all and a useful effort for musicians, educators, and designers of all things audio! Great job so far, Best, John Clements http://www.clementsaudio.com > On Oct 6, 2013, at 4:06 PM, _cKonopka |
Date | 2013-10-21 04:47 |
From | _cKonopka |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Csounds.com down? No manuals, etc. |
Thanks John! Those kind words mean a lot and I think it was time to start ushering the perception of Csound into a new age. It is so versatile and it is becoming easier to get the hang out. With the conference coming up, i've been mega swamped but lets chat soon! I want to get some info about about the previous website soon, random questions mainly. I hope you are doing well and hope to see you over the weekend! - Christopher -- View this message in context: http://csound.1045644.n5.nabble.com/Csounds-com-down-No-manuals-etc-tp5727975p5728650.html Sent from the Csound - General mailing list archive at Nabble.com. |