Do you guys have Vienna Symphonic Library there? Seems like an
expensive way of running VSTs in protools, but also looks quite nice:
http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2013/5/9/review-of-vienna-ensemble-pro-5-complete-with-set-up-video.html

On 1 October 2013 10:09, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi in pd or
> csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and I've got all my
> new students to download and install csound5 for the time being. Or is it
> better to install both versions in parallel and then use 5 for the max and
> pd api? In this case, does one install csound 5 or 6 first?
>
> I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for teaching
> if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable future? Then there
> is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump straight into cabbage but we
> use Pro Tools here, which doesn't support VST. And CsoundQT isn't stable. So
> we're kind of stuck for a simple interface builder.
>
> Many Thanks
> Peiman
>
>
>
> www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News

There is also rewire and reaper?
http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/9/1/one-you-may-have-missed-how-to-rewire-reaper-into-pro-tools.html

On 1 October 2013 10:44, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Do you guys have Vienna Symphonic Library there? Seems like an
> expensive way of running VSTs in protools, but also looks quite nice:
> http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2013/5/9/review-of-vienna-ensemble-pro-5-complete-with-set-up-video.html
>
> On 1 October 2013 10:09, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi in pd or
>> csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and I've got all my
>> new students to download and install csound5 for the time being. Or is it
>> better to install both versions in parallel and then use 5 for the max and
>> pd api? In this case, does one install csound 5 or 6 first?
>>
>> I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for teaching
>> if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable future? Then there
>> is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump straight into cabbage but we
>> use Pro Tools here, which doesn't support VST. And CsoundQT isn't stable. So
>> we're kind of stuck for a simple interface builder.
>>
>> Many Thanks
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>>
>> www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News

Hi!

Isn't CsounQt 0.7.3 stable enough (that uses Csound5, though)? I have used it in my school with Macs running OSX10.6 and 10.7 an there was no problem. I guess problems arise with 10.8, but unfortunately I don't know much about it.

greetings,

tarmo

On Tuesday 01 October 2013 10:09:00 peiman khosravi wrote:

Hello all,

What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi in pd or csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and I've got all my new students to download and install csound5 for the time being. Or is it better to install both versions in parallel and then use 5 for the max and pd api? In this case, does one install csound 5 or 6 first? 

I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for teaching if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable future? Then there is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump straight into cabbage but we use Pro Tools here, which doesn't support VST. And CsoundQT isn't stable. So we're kind of stuck for a simple interface builder. 

Many Thanks

Peiman

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Nice one.

2013/10/1 Rory Walsh :
> There is also rewire and reaper?
> http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/9/1/one-you-may-have-missed-how-to-rewire-reaper-into-pro-tools.html
>
> On 1 October 2013 10:44, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> Do you guys have Vienna Symphonic Library there? Seems like an
>> expensive way of running VSTs in protools, but also looks quite nice:
>> http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2013/5/9/review-of-vienna-ensemble-pro-5-complete-with-set-up-video.html
>>
>> On 1 October 2013 10:09, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>> What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi in pd or
>>> csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and I've got all my
>>> new students to download and install csound5 for the time being. Or is it
>>> better to install both versions in parallel and then use 5 for the max and
>>> pd api? In this case, does one install csound 5 or 6 first?
>>>
>>> I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for teaching
>>> if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable future? Then there
>>> is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump straight into cabbage but we
>>> use Pro Tools here, which doesn't support VST. And CsoundQT isn't stable. So
>>> we're kind of stuck for a simple interface builder.
>>>
>>> Many Thanks
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>



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Fair point. Vienna library looks like a nice solution, but not worth
the money if it's for just one application. I thought that you just
might have a license for it there already. It's a pity Avid have
locked all plugins to AAX in the latest version of Protools. I doubt
there is much chance of them providing me with a license which enables
people to develop high end plugins for free. Seems kind of anti-avid.
I also heard that developers of previous VST to RTAS plugins had awful
times dealing with Avid.


On 1 October 2013 11:42, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>
>
> That looks nice but... Can't do automation with rewire.  Can't do proper
> multichannel work with it. It'll turn into a mess before you know it. And
> it's not a ice workflow. It's hard enough running protools alone!
>
> Cheers,
> P
>
>
>
>
> www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News
>
>
> On 1 October 2013 10:50, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>
>> There is also rewire and reaper?
>>
>> http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/9/1/one-you-may-have-missed-how-to-rewire-reaper-into-pro-tools.html
>>
>> On 1 October 2013 10:44, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> > Do you guys have Vienna Symphonic Library there? Seems like an
>> > expensive way of running VSTs in protools, but also looks quite nice:
>> >
>> > http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2013/5/9/review-of-vienna-ensemble-pro-5-complete-with-set-up-video.html
>> >
>> > On 1 October 2013 10:09, peiman khosravi 
>> > wrote:
>> >> Hello all,
>> >>
>> >> What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi in
>> >> pd or
>> >> csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and I've got
>> >> all my
>> >> new students to download and install csound5 for the time being. Or is
>> >> it
>> >> better to install both versions in parallel and then use 5 for the max
>> >> and
>> >> pd api? In this case, does one install csound 5 or 6 first?
>> >>
>> >> I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for
>> >> teaching
>> >> if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable future? Then
>> >> there
>> >> is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump straight into cabbage but
>> >> we
>> >> use Pro Tools here, which doesn't support VST. And CsoundQT isn't
>> >> stable. So
>> >> we're kind of stuck for a simple interface builder.
>> >>
>> >> Many Thanks
>> >> Peiman
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
>> csound6:
>>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
>> csound5:
>>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>>
>>
>

hi peiman -

it will not be a surprise for you that i cannot confirm this at all. i 
used csoundqt on two universities (both macos 10.6) for teaching, 
without problems except loosing the midi connection after some starts 
and stops. students of mine used it even for live performance on a 
macbook, without any problems, and me as well (on a macbook an on linux).

but as to vst and pro tools: i think there is since many years a 
vst-bridge -- can't recall the proper name.

best -

	joachim


Am 01.10.2013 12:38, schrieb peiman khosravi:
> Hi Tarmo,
>
> To be honest I've given up. It's never been stable for me on any mac. It
> causes more problems that it solves!
>
> Thanks
> P
>
>
>
>
> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk  || RSS Feed
>  || Concert News
> *
>
>
> On 1 October 2013 10:51, Tarmo Johannes  > wrote:
>
>     __
>
>     Hi!
>
>     Isn't CsounQt 0.7.3 stable enough (that uses Csound5, though)? I
>     have used it in my school with Macs running OSX10.6 and 10.7 an
>     there was no problem. I guess problems arise with 10.8, but
>     unfortunately I don't know much about it.
>
>     greetings,
>
>     tarmo
>
>     On Tuesday 01 October 2013 10:09:00 peiman khosravi wrote:
>
>     Hello all,
>
>
>     What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi
>     in pd or csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and
>     I've got all my new students to download and install csound5 for the
>     time being. Or is it better to install both versions in parallel and
>     then use 5 for the max and pd api? In this case, does one install
>     csound 5 or 6 first?
>
>
>     I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for
>     teaching if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable
>     future? Then there is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump
>     straight into cabbage but we use Pro Tools here, which doesn't
>     support VST. And CsoundQT isn't stable. So we're kind of stuck for a
>     simple interface builder.
>
>
>     Many Thanks
>
>     Peiman
>
>
>
>
>     www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS
>     Feed  || Concert News
>     
>
>
>
>

The two most popular ones are fxpansion and symbiosis, neither of
which I've been able to get to work with my VSTs. But fxpansion looks
like it might be updated for AAX soon. According to the developers it
will happen when absolutely necessary?!

On 1 October 2013 12:15, joachim heintz  wrote:
> hi peiman -
>
> it will not be a surprise for you that i cannot confirm this at all. i used
> csoundqt on two universities (both macos 10.6) for teaching, without
> problems except loosing the midi connection after some starts and stops.
> students of mine used it even for live performance on a macbook, without any
> problems, and me as well (on a macbook an on linux).
>
> but as to vst and pro tools: i think there is since many years a vst-bridge
> -- can't recall the proper name.
>
> best -
>
>         joachim
>
>
> Am 01.10.2013 12:38, schrieb peiman khosravi:
>>
>> Hi Tarmo,
>>
>> To be honest I've given up. It's never been stable for me on any mac. It
>> causes more problems that it solves!
>>
>> Thanks
>> P
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *www.peimankhosravi.co.uk  || RSS Feed
>>  || Concert News
>> *
>>
>>
>> On 1 October 2013 10:51, Tarmo Johannes > > wrote:
>>
>>     __
>>
>>     Hi!
>>
>>     Isn't CsounQt 0.7.3 stable enough (that uses Csound5, though)? I
>>     have used it in my school with Macs running OSX10.6 and 10.7 an
>>     there was no problem. I guess problems arise with 10.8, but
>>     unfortunately I don't know much about it.
>>
>>     greetings,
>>
>>     tarmo
>>
>>
>>     On Tuesday 01 October 2013 10:09:00 peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>>     Hello all,
>>
>>
>>     What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi
>>     in pd or csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and
>>     I've got all my new students to download and install csound5 for the
>>     time being. Or is it better to install both versions in parallel and
>>     then use 5 for the max and pd api? In this case, does one install
>>     csound 5 or 6 first?
>>
>>
>>     I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for
>>     teaching if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable
>>     future? Then there is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump
>>     straight into cabbage but we use Pro Tools here, which doesn't
>>     support VST. And CsoundQT isn't stable. So we're kind of stuck for a
>>     simple interface builder.
>>
>>
>>     Many Thanks
>>
>>     Peiman
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>     www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS
>>     Feed  || Concert News
>>     
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>            https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>            https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"
>
>

Cabbage has always been 'standalone' but perhaps you're referring to
the host that I'm working on. Maybe next summer at the earliest :(

On 1 October 2013 12:14, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> Rory, what about the standalone version of Cabbage?
>
>
>
>
> www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News
>
>
> On 1 October 2013 12:06, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>
>> Fair point. Vienna library looks like a nice solution, but not worth
>> the money if it's for just one application. I thought that you just
>> might have a license for it there already. It's a pity Avid have
>> locked all plugins to AAX in the latest version of Protools. I doubt
>> there is much chance of them providing me with a license which enables
>> people to develop high end plugins for free. Seems kind of anti-avid.
>> I also heard that developers of previous VST to RTAS plugins had awful
>> times dealing with Avid.
>>
>>
>> On 1 October 2013 11:42, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > That looks nice but... Can't do automation with rewire.  Can't do proper
>> > multichannel work with it. It'll turn into a mess before you know it.
>> > And
>> > it's not a ice workflow. It's hard enough running protools alone!
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > P
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News
>> >
>> >
>> > On 1 October 2013 10:50, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >>
>> >> There is also rewire and reaper?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2012/9/1/one-you-may-have-missed-how-to-rewire-reaper-into-pro-tools.html
>> >>
>> >> On 1 October 2013 10:44, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> > Do you guys have Vienna Symphonic Library there? Seems like an
>> >> > expensive way of running VSTs in protools, but also looks quite nice:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.pro-tools-expert.com/home-page/2013/5/9/review-of-vienna-ensemble-pro-5-complete-with-set-up-video.html
>> >> >
>> >> > On 1 October 2013 10:09, peiman khosravi 
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> Hello all,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> What is the 'official' advice for someone that replies on csoundapi
>> >> >> in
>> >> >> pd or
>> >> >> csound~ in max? At work we've not installed csound6 yet and I've got
>> >> >> all my
>> >> >> new students to download and install csound5 for the time being. Or
>> >> >> is
>> >> >> it
>> >> >> better to install both versions in parallel and then use 5 for the
>> >> >> max
>> >> >> and
>> >> >> pd api? In this case, does one install csound 5 or 6 first?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'm also wondering if I should be using csound~ or csoundapi~ for
>> >> >> teaching
>> >> >> if it is likely to be causing problems in the foreseeable future?
>> >> >> Then
>> >> >> there
>> >> >> is the issue of developing FFTools. I'd jump straight into cabbage
>> >> >> but
>> >> >> we
>> >> >> use Pro Tools here, which doesn't support VST. And CsoundQT isn't
>> >> >> stable. So
>> >> >> we're kind of stuck for a simple interface builder.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Many Thanks
>> >> >> Peiman
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> www.peimankhosravi.co.uk || RSS Feed || Concert News
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
>> >> csound6:
>> >>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
>> >> csound5:
>> >>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
>> >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>> >> "unsubscribe
>> >> csound"
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
>> csound6:
>>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
>> csound5:
>>             https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>>
>>
>

It is true that the SDK is under NDA, so that only registered developers 
can create plugins. Probably only a closed-source wrapper system like 
Cycling74's sadly discontinued Jitter system would be viable. The SDK 
for AAX does look somewhat better than the RTAS one ever was (based on 
the old MacOS ported very crudely to OS X), and while such things will 
never be simple, I think it does look more attractive to develop for. 
Not being a Pro Tools user as such, I have no immediate reason to mourn 
the loss of RTAS!

Pat of the problem with developing PT plugins is that they need a 
minimum level of support to be included for all the various external 
hardware control surfaces, including third-party ones.  In a few cases 
they have provided simulators as part of the SDK (using one computer 
networked to the development machine), but one way and another it is a 
rather expensive business, which I guess is why PT plugins are 
themselves "cheap" at a whole new order of magnitude.

Richard Dobson

On 01/10/2013 12:06, Rory Walsh wrote:
> Fair point. Vienna library looks like a nice solution, but not worth
> the money if it's for just one application. I thought that you just
> might have a license for it there already. It's a pity Avid have
> locked all plugins to AAX in the latest version of Protools. I doubt
> there is much chance of them providing me with a license which enables
> people to develop high end plugins for free. Seems kind of anti-avid.
> I also heard that developers of previous VST to RTAS plugins had awful
> times dealing with Avid.
>
>