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[Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?

Date2013-12-24 11:19
FromMachina
Subject[Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?
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Date2013-12-25 19:50
FromDavid Mooney
SubjectRe: [Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?
Sounds like a vocoder process to me, which can most certainly be done in Csound.

--David Mooney


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Machina <machinadeoro@gmail.com> wrote:

can it be done in csound?




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Date2013-12-26 00:14
Frompeiman khosravi
SubjectRe: [Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?
Sounds like a phase-vocoder that transposes the sample with its own fundamental frequency envelope inverted. I'm just guessing: you should be able to do this with a combination of mincer, pvsvoc (for spectral envelop preservation of transposed vocal samples), and pvspitch.   

The legato effect is pretty cool and totally doable with mincer too. And the polyphonic sampler is no hassle since you can have as many instances of the instrument as possible.  



On 25 December 2013 19:50, David Mooney <dmooney023@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a vocoder process to me, which can most certainly be done in Csound.

--David Mooney


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Machina <machinadeoro@gmail.com> wrote:

can it be done in csound?




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Opaque Melodies
http://opaquemelodies.com


Date2013-12-26 10:41
FromMachina
SubjectRe: [Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?
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Date2013-12-26 12:20
Frompeiman khosravi
SubjectRe: [Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?
I've never done pitch tracking in csound but I remember a thread about it from a year ago. 

Also take a look at Victor's modfm UDO, it might inspire you. http://eprints.nuim.ie/4117/1/modfm-synthesis-vocoder.pdf.

P
  



On 26 December 2013 10:41, Machina <machinadeoro@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks a lot for answering

i feel the original havent been using any pitch detection. they wouldnt have got the same result.
and it sounds a lot more natural than a vocoder process.
pvspitch isnt a perfect pitch detector so the outcome cannot be seamless as my example

On Thursday, December 26, 2013 at 2:14 AM, peiman khosravi wrote:

Sounds like a phase-vocoder that transposes the sample with its own fundamental frequency envelope inverted. I'm just guessing: you should be able to do this with a combination of mincer, pvsvoc (for spectral envelop preservation of transposed vocal samples), and pvspitch.   

The legato effect is pretty cool and totally doable with mincer too. And the polyphonic sampler is no hassle since you can have as many instances of the instrument as possible.  



On 25 December 2013 19:50, David Mooney <dmooney023@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a vocoder process to me, which can most certainly be done in Csound.

--David Mooney


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Machina <machinadeoro@gmail.com> wrote:

can it be done in csound?




--
Opaque Melodies
http://opaquemelodies.com




Date2013-12-26 13:53
Fromcameron bobro
SubjectRe: [Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?
Pitch tracking in Csound is superb, using the pitchamdf opcode. You can follow  the pitches of acoustic sources accurately enough to track and transfer coincident partial effects and beating effects to synthesized sounds (for example the beatlessness or slow bwooonggg of simple Just intervals).

There are a couple of catches, though, in addition to the obvious condition that pitchamdf is reading a monophonic pitch.

 First of all, the incoming sound must be clean, and that almost always means it must be prepped: bandpass is almost a must, and some compression and noise gating might be necessary too. This is not a problem and can be done in Csound, between the opcode reading the sound into the orchestra and the pitchamdf opcode. 

Just as importantly, the upper, lower and expected first pitch arguments should be as accurate as possible. *This* is the key to making the opcode shine, I've found.










From: peiman khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?

I've never done pitch tracking in csound but I remember a thread about it from a year ago. 

Also take a look at Victor's modfm UDO, it might inspire you. http://eprints.nuim.ie/4117/1/modfm-synthesis-vocoder.pdf.

P
  



On 26 December 2013 10:41, Machina <machinadeoro@gmail.com> wrote:
thanks a lot for answering

i feel the original havent been using any pitch detection. they wouldnt have got the same result.
and it sounds a lot more natural than a vocoder process.
pvspitch isnt a perfect pitch detector so the outcome cannot be seamless as my example
On Thursday, December 26, 2013 at 2:14 AM, peiman khosravi wrote:
Sounds like a phase-vocoder that transposes the sample with its own fundamental frequency envelope inverted. I'm just guessing: you should be able to do this with a combination of mincer, pvsvoc (for spectral envelop preservation of transposed vocal samples), and pvspitch.   

The legato effect is pretty cool and totally doable with mincer too. And the polyphonic sampler is no hassle since you can have as many instances of the instrument as possible.  



On 25 December 2013 19:50, David Mooney <dmooney023@gmail.com> wrote:
Sounds like a vocoder process to me, which can most certainly be done in Csound.

--David Mooney


On Tue, Dec 24, 2013 at 6:19 AM, Machina <machinadeoro@gmail.com> wrote:

can it be done in csound?




--
Opaque Melodies
http://opaquemelodies.com






Date2013-12-26 22:22
FromMachina
SubjectRe: [Csnd] how does kontakt's tone machine works?
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