Fellow Csounders,

Just a quick note to let you know I have just completed a new CD. The 
title is "Points of Consciousness".  It is comprised of six pieces each 
of which was composed with Csound. They are all 8.1 pieces.

You can listen to stereo mp3s of the entire CD on my website and if you 
would like a higher fidelity CD it can be ordered there as well.

Your insightful comments are always welcomed.

Take care,

Michael

http://www.perceptionfactory.com


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Michael,

Congratulations on your new CD.

You mentioned that all of the pieces are 8.1 pieces. I assume you mean  
8 channels of audio plus one channel of low frequency audio.

How do you get so many channels of sound onto a CD? Or does the CD  
contain stereo mixes of these pieces?

best,
Lou Cohen

On Sep 24, 2011, at 9:06 AM, Michael Rhoades wrote:

> Fellow Csounders,
>
> Just a quick note to let you know I have just completed a new CD.  
> The title is "Points of Consciousness".  It is comprised of six  
> pieces each of which was composed with Csound. They are all 8.1  
> pieces.
>
> You can listen to stereo mp3s of the entire CD on my website and if  
> you would like a higher fidelity CD it can be ordered there as well.
>
> Your insightful comments are always welcomed.
>
> Take care,
>
> Michael
>
> http://www.perceptionfactory.com
>
>
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Hi Lou,

The language I used in the email was a bit ambiguous. My apologies... 
The cd and the mp3 files on my site are stereo mixes of the 8.1 pieces. 
I can put a 4.1 mix on a dvd ( I do not like 5.1) but the cd is stereo.

Using Csound I program the computer to generate 8 channel wav files. I 
import those each into separate tracks in Sonar for editing. When I have 
a finished 8 channel piece I make a mono mix of it. Then I eq out 
everything in the mono mix above around 60 hz and then use that for my 
.1 (the sub). The 8.1 pieces are intended for the concert hall...

Michael

On 9/24/11 3:31 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
> Michael,
>
> Congratulations on your new CD.
>
> You mentioned that all of the pieces are 8.1 pieces. I assume you mean 
> 8 channels of audio plus one channel of low frequency audio.
>
> How do you get so many channels of sound onto a CD? Or does the CD 
> contain stereo mixes of these pieces?
>
> best,
> Lou Cohen



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That's an interesting technique for creating the low frequency  
channel. Thanks for that information.

I assume that when you put it on DVD you use dolby 5.1 but only use  
4.1, which is what I do as well.

Of course when I perform in real time, I can send out 4 channels  
without much difficulty.

-Lou

On Sep 24, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Michael Rhoades wrote:

> Hi Lou,
>
> The language I used in the email was a bit ambiguous. My  
> apologies... The cd and the mp3 files on my site are stereo mixes of  
> the 8.1 pieces. I can put a 4.1 mix on a dvd ( I do not like 5.1)  
> but the cd is stereo.
>
> Using Csound I program the computer to generate 8 channel wav files.  
> I import those each into separate tracks in Sonar for editing. When  
> I have a finished 8 channel piece I make a mono mix of it. Then I eq  
> out everything in the mono mix above around 60 hz and then use that  
> for my .1 (the sub). The 8.1 pieces are intended for the concert  
> hall...
>
> Michael
>
> On 9/24/11 3:31 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>> Michael,
>>
>> Congratulations on your new CD.
>>
>> You mentioned that all of the pieces are 8.1 pieces. I assume you  
>> mean 8 channels of audio plus one channel of low frequency audio.
>>
>> How do you get so many channels of sound onto a CD? Or does the CD  
>> contain stereo mixes of these pieces?
>>
>> best,
>> Lou Cohen
>
>
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Yes, 4.1 better suits my needs. Spatialization is important to me and 
having 2, 4, 8 or more discreet channels allows me to put the sound 
exactly where and when I want it. The front center speaker in a 5.1 
config is an interesting concept but I prefer to leave it blank.

I love to fantasize about a performance venue where there are three 
levels of 8 speakers... at ear height, above the listeners and below 
them. If memory serves there is a venue in Belgium like that. Does 
anyone know of others? I imagine a geodesic dome with an open wire grid 
floor, midway to its height, where the listener sits and then speakers 
are as mentioned above.



On 9/24/11 7:57 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
> That's an interesting technique for creating the low frequency 
> channel. Thanks for that information.
>
> I assume that when you put it on DVD you use dolby 5.1 but only use 
> 4.1, which is what I do as well.
>
> Of course when I perform in real time, I can send out 4 channels 
> without much difficulty.
>
> -Lou
>
> On Sep 24, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Michael Rhoades wrote:
>
>> Hi Lou,
>>
>> The language I used in the email was a bit ambiguous. My apologies... 
>> The cd and the mp3 files on my site are stereo mixes of the 8.1 
>> pieces. I can put a 4.1 mix on a dvd ( I do not like 5.1) but the cd 
>> is stereo.
>>
>> Using Csound I program the computer to generate 8 channel wav files. 
>> I import those each into separate tracks in Sonar for editing. When I 
>> have a finished 8 channel piece I make a mono mix of it. Then I eq 
>> out everything in the mono mix above around 60 hz and then use that 
>> for my .1 (the sub). The 8.1 pieces are intended for the concert hall...
>>
>> Michael
>>
>> On 9/24/11 3:31 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> Congratulations on your new CD.
>>>
>>> You mentioned that all of the pieces are 8.1 pieces. I assume you 
>>> mean 8 channels of audio plus one channel of low frequency audio.
>>>
>>> How do you get so many channels of sound onto a CD? Or does the CD 
>>> contain stereo mixes of these pieces?
>>>
>>> best,
>>> Lou Cohen
>>
>>
>>
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There are 4 levels at SARC.
http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/sites/sarc/AboutUs/TheSARCBuildingandFacilities/TheSonicLab/SonicLabSpecs/

P

On 25 September 2011 22:43, Michael Rhoades
 wrote:
> Yes, 4.1 better suits my needs. Spatialization is important to me and having
> 2, 4, 8 or more discreet channels allows me to put the sound exactly where
> and when I want it. The front center speaker in a 5.1 config is an
> interesting concept but I prefer to leave it blank.
>
> I love to fantasize about a performance venue where there are three levels
> of 8 speakers... at ear height, above the listeners and below them. If
> memory serves there is a venue in Belgium like that. Does anyone know of
> others? I imagine a geodesic dome with an open wire grid floor, midway to
> its height, where the listener sits and then speakers are as mentioned
> above.
>
>
>
> On 9/24/11 7:57 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>
>> That's an interesting technique for creating the low frequency channel.
>> Thanks for that information.
>>
>> I assume that when you put it on DVD you use dolby 5.1 but only use 4.1,
>> which is what I do as well.
>>
>> Of course when I perform in real time, I can send out 4 channels without
>> much difficulty.
>>
>> -Lou
>>
>> On Sep 24, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Michael Rhoades wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Lou,
>>>
>>> The language I used in the email was a bit ambiguous. My apologies... The
>>> cd and the mp3 files on my site are stereo mixes of the 8.1 pieces. I can
>>> put a 4.1 mix on a dvd ( I do not like 5.1) but the cd is stereo.
>>>
>>> Using Csound I program the computer to generate 8 channel wav files. I
>>> import those each into separate tracks in Sonar for editing. When I have a
>>> finished 8 channel piece I make a mono mix of it. Then I eq out everything
>>> in the mono mix above around 60 hz and then use that for my .1 (the sub).
>>> The 8.1 pieces are intended for the concert hall...
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>>> On 9/24/11 3:31 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Michael,
>>>>
>>>> Congratulations on your new CD.
>>>>
>>>> You mentioned that all of the pieces are 8.1 pieces. I assume you mean 8
>>>> channels of audio plus one channel of low frequency audio.
>>>>
>>>> How do you get so many channels of sound onto a CD? Or does the CD
>>>> contain stereo mixes of these pieces?
>>>>
>>>> best,
>>>> Lou Cohen
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Wow! That is perfect. My dream space... It would be phenomenal to be 
able to compose pieces for that space.

Do you know if the concerts are well attended?



On 9/25/11 6:45 PM, peiman khosravi wrote:
> There are 4 levels at SARC.
> http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/sites/sarc/AboutUs/TheSARCBuildingandFacilities/TheSonicLab/SonicLabSpecs/
>
> P
>
> On 25 September 2011 22:43, Michael Rhoades
>   wrote:
>> Yes, 4.1 better suits my needs. Spatialization is important to me and having
>> 2, 4, 8 or more discreet channels allows me to put the sound exactly where
>> and when I want it. The front center speaker in a 5.1 config is an
>> interesting concept but I prefer to leave it blank.
>>
>> I love to fantasize about a performance venue where there are three levels
>> of 8 speakers... at ear height, above the listeners and below them. If
>> memory serves there is a venue in Belgium like that. Does anyone know of
>> others? I imagine a geodesic dome with an open wire grid floor, midway to
>> its height, where the listener sits and then speakers are as mentioned
>> above.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/24/11 7:57 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>> That's an interesting technique for creating the low frequency channel.
>>> Thanks for that information.
>>>
>>> I assume that when you put it on DVD you use dolby 5.1 but only use 4.1,
>>> which is what I do as well.
>>>
>>> Of course when I perform in real time, I can send out 4 channels without
>>> much difficulty.
>>>
>>> -Lou
>>>
>>> On Sep 24, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Michael Rhoades wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Lou,
>>>>
>>>> The language I used in the email was a bit ambiguous. My apologies... The
>>>> cd and the mp3 files on my site are stereo mixes of the 8.1 pieces. I can
>>>> put a 4.1 mix on a dvd ( I do not like 5.1) but the cd is stereo.
>>>>
>>>> Using Csound I program the computer to generate 8 channel wav files. I
>>>> import those each into separate tracks in Sonar for editing. When I have a
>>>> finished 8 channel piece I make a mono mix of it. Then I eq out everything
>>>> in the mono mix above around 60 hz and then use that for my .1 (the sub).
>>>> The 8.1 pieces are intended for the concert hall...
>>>>
>>>> Michael
>>>>
>>>> On 9/24/11 3:31 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>
>>>>> Congratulations on your new CD.
>>>>>
>>>>> You mentioned that all of the pieces are 8.1 pieces. I assume you mean 8
>>>>> channels of audio plus one channel of low frequency audio.
>>>>>
>>>>> How do you get so many channels of sound onto a CD? Or does the CD
>>>>> contain stereo mixes of these pieces?
>>>>>
>>>>> best,
>>>>> Lou Cohen
>>>>
>>>>
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I've only been there once during the sonorities festival and
attendance was generally good. But I have no idea about the regular
concerts. I expect it varies depending on the programme.

Best,

Peiman

On 26 September 2011 00:49, Michael Rhoades
 wrote:
> Wow! That is perfect. My dream space... It would be phenomenal to be able to
> compose pieces for that space.
>
> Do you know if the concerts are well attended?
>
>
>
> On 9/25/11 6:45 PM, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>
>> There are 4 levels at SARC.
>>
>> http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/sites/sarc/AboutUs/TheSARCBuildingandFacilities/TheSonicLab/SonicLabSpecs/
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 25 September 2011 22:43, Michael Rhoades
>>   wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, 4.1 better suits my needs. Spatialization is important to me and
>>> having
>>> 2, 4, 8 or more discreet channels allows me to put the sound exactly
>>> where
>>> and when I want it. The front center speaker in a 5.1 config is an
>>> interesting concept but I prefer to leave it blank.
>>>
>>> I love to fantasize about a performance venue where there are three
>>> levels
>>> of 8 speakers... at ear height, above the listeners and below them. If
>>> memory serves there is a venue in Belgium like that. Does anyone know of
>>> others? I imagine a geodesic dome with an open wire grid floor, midway to
>>> its height, where the listener sits and then speakers are as mentioned
>>> above.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/24/11 7:57 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>>
>>>> That's an interesting technique for creating the low frequency channel.
>>>> Thanks for that information.
>>>>
>>>> I assume that when you put it on DVD you use dolby 5.1 but only use 4.1,
>>>> which is what I do as well.
>>>>
>>>> Of course when I perform in real time, I can send out 4 channels without
>>>> much difficulty.
>>>>
>>>> -Lou
>>>>
>>>> On Sep 24, 2011, at 4:30 PM, Michael Rhoades wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi Lou,
>>>>>
>>>>> The language I used in the email was a bit ambiguous. My apologies...
>>>>> The
>>>>> cd and the mp3 files on my site are stereo mixes of the 8.1 pieces. I
>>>>> can
>>>>> put a 4.1 mix on a dvd ( I do not like 5.1) but the cd is stereo.
>>>>>
>>>>> Using Csound I program the computer to generate 8 channel wav files. I
>>>>> import those each into separate tracks in Sonar for editing. When I
>>>>> have a
>>>>> finished 8 channel piece I make a mono mix of it. Then I eq out
>>>>> everything
>>>>> in the mono mix above around 60 hz and then use that for my .1 (the
>>>>> sub).
>>>>> The 8.1 pieces are intended for the concert hall...
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael
>>>>>
>>>>> On 9/24/11 3:31 PM, Louis Cohen wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Congratulations on your new CD.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mentioned that all of the pieces are 8.1 pieces. I assume you mean
>>>>>> 8
>>>>>> channels of audio plus one channel of low frequency audio.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How do you get so many channels of sound onto a CD? Or does the CD
>>>>>> contain stereo mixes of these pieces?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> best,
>>>>>> Lou Cohen
>>>>>
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For someone like me who composes only computer generated music... no 
other instruments... this kind of a space is truly a musical instrument 
in its own right.

On 9/25/11 8:20 PM, peiman khosravi wrote:
> I've only been there once during the sonorities festival and
> attendance was generally good. But I have no idea about the regular
> concerts. I expect it varies depending on the programme.
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
> On 26 September 2011 00:49, Michael Rhoades
>   wrote:
>> Wow! That is perfect. My dream space... It would be phenomenal to be able to
>> compose pieces for that space.
>>
>> Do you know if the concerts are well attended?
>>
>>
>>
>> On 9/25/11 6:45 PM, peiman khosravi wrote:
>>> There are 4 levels at SARC.
>>>
>>> http://www.sarc.qub.ac.uk/sites/sarc/AboutUs/TheSARCBuildingandFacilities/TheSonicLab/SonicLabSpecs/
>>>
>>> P


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SARC was the site of ICMC a few years back (2009?).  The hall in Karlsruhe
(Kube) -- site of Linux Audio -- had height which was great for ambisonics
(ask Jan Jacob).  [My piece was played too quiet to use the space.]

We have been considering using the Atrium space in CS at Bath with three
levels but we only have 12 speakers.  Look at the last picture on
http://www.bath.ac.uk/comp-sci/news/news_0005.html

==John ff

> For someone like me who composes only computer generated music... no
> other instruments... this kind of a space is truly a musical instrument
> in its own right.
>




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Interesting... Did you hear any pieces at the SARC site that fully 
utilized its capabilities?

The new CS building at Bath looks fantastic. Congratulations. It looks 
like, from the photos, it has a lot of glass and other reflective 
surfaces... may be very reverberant and or bright to the ear.

Every room is a new instrument.

On 9/26/11 2:13 PM, jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk wrote:
> SARC was the site of ICMC a few years back (2009?).  The hall in Karlsruhe
> (Kube) -- site of Linux Audio -- had height which was great for ambisonics
> (ask Jan Jacob).  [My piece was played too quiet to use the space.]
>
> We have been considering using the Atrium space in CS at Bath with three
> levels but we only have 12 speakers.  Look at the last picture on
> http://www.bath.ac.uk/comp-sci/news/news_0005.html
>
> ==John ff
>
>> For someone like me who composes only computer generated music... no
>> other instruments... this kind of a space is truly a musical instrument
>> in its own right.
>>
>
>
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