A friend of mine is interested in using this glove with Csound. If I
remember correctly I saw John ffitch perform with this glove in a
concert in Ireland. Does it send MIDI data or OSC or serial data or
what? I couldn't find much info on the website. Any info, suggestions,
advise is much appreciated.

Rory.

> A friend of mine is interested in using this glove with Csound. If I
> remember correctly I saw John ffitch perform with this glove in a
> concert in Ireland. Does it send MIDI data or OSC or serial data or
> what? I couldn't find much info on the website. Any info, suggestions,
> advise is much appreciated.
>
> Rory.
>
>

The P5 Glove is a USB device.  The Csound implementation reads the data
once per k-cycle and make the readings available to an opcode

At present there needs to be some extensions to deal with buttons (just
pressed, just released etc) and there is no calibration.

eg



-+rtaudio=alsa -o dac:hw:0


nchnls = 2
ksmps = 400

#define P5G_BUTTONS #0#
#define P5G_BUTTON_A    #1#
#define P5G_BUTTON_B    #2#
#define P5G_BUTTON_C    #4#
#define P5G_FINGER_INDEX #8#
#define P5G_FINGER_MIDDLE #9#
#define P5G_FINGER_RING	 #10#
#define P5G_FINGER_PINKY #11#
#define P5G_FINGER_THUMB #12#
#define P5G_DELTA_X     #16#
#define P5G_DELTA_Y     #17#
#define P5G_DELTA_Z     #18#
#define P5G_DELTA_XR    #19#
#define P5G_DELTA_YR    #20#
#define P5G_DELTA_ZR    #21#
#define P5G_ANGLES      #22#

gkcnt init 1
gka   init -1.0
gkp   init 0
instr 1
      p5gconnect
  ka  p5gdata    $P5G_BUTTON_A.
; If the A button is pressed then activate a note
  if  (ka==0)    goto ee
  event "i", 2, 0, 2
  gka p5gdata    $P5G_DELTA_X.
  gkp p5gdata    $P5G_DELTA_Y.
ee:
endin

instr 2
;;;  a1 oscil  ampdbfs(gka), 440+gkp, 1
  a1 oscil  10000, 440, 1
     outs   a1, a1
endin




f1 0 4096 10 1
i1 0 300






I do need some assistance on calibration though.

==John ff

Thanks John, where can I find the p5glove opcodes? I don't seem to
have them in my current build? Out of curiosity is a serial/usb data
connection? If so I wonder could teh code be adapted to work with the
arduino IO boards which are based on serial/usb connections?

Rory.


2009/6/4  :
>> A friend of mine is interested in using this glove with Csound. If I
>> remember correctly I saw John ffitch perform with this glove in a
>> concert in Ireland. Does it send MIDI data or OSC or serial data or
>> what? I couldn't find much info on the website. Any info, suggestions,
>> advise is much appreciated.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>
> The P5 Glove is a USB device.  The Csound implementation reads the data
> once per k-cycle and make the readings available to an opcode
>
> At present there needs to be some extensions to deal with buttons (just
> pressed, just released etc) and there is no calibration.
>
> eg
>
> 
> 
> -+rtaudio=alsa -o dac:hw:0
> 
> 
> nchnls = 2
> ksmps = 400
>
> #define P5G_BUTTONS #0#
> #define P5G_BUTTON_A    #1#
> #define P5G_BUTTON_B    #2#
> #define P5G_BUTTON_C    #4#
> #define P5G_FINGER_INDEX #8#
> #define P5G_FINGER_MIDDLE #9#
> #define P5G_FINGER_RING  #10#
> #define P5G_FINGER_PINKY #11#
> #define P5G_FINGER_THUMB #12#
> #define P5G_DELTA_X     #16#
> #define P5G_DELTA_Y     #17#
> #define P5G_DELTA_Z     #18#
> #define P5G_DELTA_XR    #19#
> #define P5G_DELTA_YR    #20#
> #define P5G_DELTA_ZR    #21#
> #define P5G_ANGLES      #22#
>
> gkcnt init 1
> gka   init -1.0
> gkp   init 0
> instr 1
>      p5gconnect
>  ka  p5gdata    $P5G_BUTTON_A.
> ; If the A button is pressed then activate a note
>  if  (ka==0)    goto ee
>  event "i", 2, 0, 2
>  gka p5gdata    $P5G_DELTA_X.
>  gkp p5gdata    $P5G_DELTA_Y.
> ee:
> endin
>
> instr 2
> ;;;  a1 oscil  ampdbfs(gka), 440+gkp, 1
>  a1 oscil  10000, 440, 1
>     outs   a1, a1
> endin
>
> 
>
> 
> f1 0 4096 10 1
> i1 0 300
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> I do need some assistance on calibration though.
>
> ==John ff
>
>
>
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>

I've had a real hard time getting Linux drivers. I was unable to solve
how to check this out with SVN:
https://www.smartelectronix.com:9000/repos/osc/libp5glove/trunk/
And Ross Bencina, whose repo that is, couldn't help me. I think he
thinks I'm kidding when I say I don't know how to translate that into
an svn command.
On Windows, GlovePIE works great and has endless features. The only
thing missing is the source code.

In my tests I haven't found the glove to be very accurate. If you just
want to use it like some of the YouTube videos, i.e., move it this way
to speed up a loop, move it that way to change the filter cutoff, it's
"fun". I haven't been able to tame it into a very responsive tool.
Another complaint that I've read and can confirm is that one's hand
gets pretty tired using it. I don't know if that's any different than
other gloves, but you have to pretty much hold it up continuously.

-Chuckk

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> A friend of mine is interested in using this glove with Csound. If I
> remember correctly I saw John ffitch perform with this glove in a
> concert in Ireland. Does it send MIDI data or OSC or serial data or
> what? I couldn't find much info on the website. Any info, suggestions,
> advise is much appreciated.
>
> Rory.
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>



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I think he'll be using it on windows so glovePIE looks like a good
option. Cheers,
Rory.


2009/6/4 Chuckk Hubbard :
> I've had a real hard time getting Linux drivers. I was unable to solve
> how to check this out with SVN:
> https://www.smartelectronix.com:9000/repos/osc/libp5glove/trunk/
> And Ross Bencina, whose repo that is, couldn't help me. I think he
> thinks I'm kidding when I say I don't know how to translate that into
> an svn command.
> On Windows, GlovePIE works great and has endless features. The only
> thing missing is the source code.
>
> In my tests I haven't found the glove to be very accurate. If you just
> want to use it like some of the YouTube videos, i.e., move it this way
> to speed up a loop, move it that way to change the filter cutoff, it's
> "fun". I haven't been able to tame it into a very responsive tool.
> Another complaint that I've read and can confirm is that one's hand
> gets pretty tired using it. I don't know if that's any different than
> other gloves, but you have to pretty much hold it up continuously.
>
> -Chuckk
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> A friend of mine is interested in using this glove with Csound. If I
>> remember correctly I saw John ffitch perform with this glove in a
>> concert in Ireland. Does it send MIDI data or OSC or serial data or
>> what? I couldn't find much info on the website. Any info, suggestions,
>> advise is much appreciated.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>

> Thanks John, where can I find the p5glove opcodes? I don't seem to
> have them in my current build? Out of curiosity is a serial/usb data
> connection? If so I wonder could teh code be adapted to work with the
> arduino IO boards which are based on serial/usb connections?
>
> Rory.
>
>
Code is in Opcodes/p5glove.c with additional acros in Opcodes/p5g_mac

It is a serial HID device. I am using libp5glove from SVN -- works OK on
Linux.
 There is Woindows and OSX code but I do not have the facilities to test.

If building from source you need to set
 includeP5Glove=1
in the scons call to build

==John ff

Thanks.

Rory.


2009/6/4  :
>> Thanks John, where can I find the p5glove opcodes? I don't seem to
>> have them in my current build? Out of curiosity is a serial/usb data
>> connection? If so I wonder could teh code be adapted to work with the
>> arduino IO boards which are based on serial/usb connections?
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
> Code is in Opcodes/p5glove.c with additional acros in Opcodes/p5g_mac
>
> It is a serial HID device. I am using libp5glove from SVN -- works OK on
> Linux.
>  There is Woindows and OSX code but I do not have the facilities to test.
>
> If building from source you need to set
>  includeP5Glove=1
> in the scons call to build
>
> ==John ff
>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>

Hi Chuck,

Do this:
svn checkout https://www.smartelectronix.com:9000/repos/osc/libp5glove

You will be asked to accept the certificate, and then you can get the
sources. I have no time to try this now, but let us know if you get
the glove to work on Linux. I'd love to use my glove again.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Chuckk Hubbard
 wrote:
> I've had a real hard time getting Linux drivers. I was unable to solve
> how to check this out with SVN:
> https://www.smartelectronix.com:9000/repos/osc/libp5glove/trunk/
> And Ross Bencina, whose repo that is, couldn't help me. I think he
> thinks I'm kidding when I say I don't know how to translate that into
> an svn command.
> On Windows, GlovePIE works great and has endless features. The only
> thing missing is the source code.
>
> In my tests I haven't found the glove to be very accurate. If you just
> want to use it like some of the YouTube videos, i.e., move it this way
> to speed up a loop, move it that way to change the filter cutoff, it's
> "fun". I haven't been able to tame it into a very responsive tool.
> Another complaint that I've read and can confirm is that one's hand
> gets pretty tired using it. I don't know if that's any different than
> other gloves, but you have to pretty much hold it up continuously.
>
> -Chuckk
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> A friend of mine is interested in using this glove with Csound. If I
>> remember correctly I saw John ffitch perform with this glove in a
>> concert in Ireland. Does it send MIDI data or OSC or serial data or
>> what? I couldn't find much info on the website. Any info, suggestions,
>> advise is much appreciated.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>



-- 


Andrés

The glove works for me
==John ff

I'm at a loss to explain it, but the last 50 times I tried that it
hung. Thanks for that.
-Chuckk

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:43 PM, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
> Hi Chuck,
>
> Do this:
> svn checkout https://www.smartelectronix.com:9000/repos/osc/libp5glove
>
> You will be asked to accept the certificate, and then you can get the
> sources. I have no time to try this now, but let us know if you get
> the glove to work on Linux. I'd love to use my glove again.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:35 AM, Chuckk Hubbard
>  wrote:
>> I've had a real hard time getting Linux drivers. I was unable to solve
>> how to check this out with SVN:
>> https://www.smartelectronix.com:9000/repos/osc/libp5glove/trunk/
>> And Ross Bencina, whose repo that is, couldn't help me. I think he
>> thinks I'm kidding when I say I don't know how to translate that into
>> an svn command.
>> On Windows, GlovePIE works great and has endless features. The only
>> thing missing is the source code.
>>
>> In my tests I haven't found the glove to be very accurate. If you just
>> want to use it like some of the YouTube videos, i.e., move it this way
>> to speed up a loop, move it that way to change the filter cutoff, it's
>> "fun". I haven't been able to tame it into a very responsive tool.
>> Another complaint that I've read and can confirm is that one's hand
>> gets pretty tired using it. I don't know if that's any different than
>> other gloves, but you have to pretty much hold it up continuously.
>>
>> -Chuckk
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 2:59 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> A friend of mine is interested in using this glove with Csound. If I
>>> remember correctly I saw John ffitch perform with this glove in a
>>> concert in Ireland. Does it send MIDI data or OSC or serial data or
>>> what? I couldn't find much info on the website. Any info, suggestions,
>>> advise is much appreciated.
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> http://www.badmuthahubbard.com
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>
>
>
>
> --
>
>
> Andrés
>
>
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This may or may not be helpful to the present conversation but in 2005
I was using the p5glove in Csound through a UDO wrapper.

http://www.csounds.com/udo/displayOpcode.php?opcode_id=58


-David

This is very interesting. I'm still confused however about what kind
of data the glove sends to the USB port? Is it OSC or did you use
another interface to convert to OSC?

2009/6/4 David Akbari :
> This may or may not be helpful to the present conversation but in 2005
> I was using the p5glove in Csound through a UDO wrapper.
>
> http://www.csounds.com/udo/displayOpcode.php?opcode_id=58
>
>
> -David
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>

It sends its own kind of packets, which is why it requires a driver,
as I understand it. The tower reads info from all of the little LEDs
using two sensors at an angle to each other, and the flexors on the
fingers send their own numbers, and all of that goes into some kind of
packet which is interpreted by the driver to give position, rotation,
and movement.
GlovePIE can convert the glove's data to just about any other format,
like mouse, keyboard, OSC, or joystick data.
Someone made a Glove-to-OSC application for Linux that works okay, I
can dig up the link if you want.
BTW, some of the Windows drivers actually have warping correction and
smoothing features that have never been implemented in Linux drivers.
The guy who added them never responded to my email.

-Chuckk

On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Rory Walsh wrote:
> This is very interesting. I'm still confused however about what kind
> of data the glove sends to the USB port? Is it OSC or did you use
> another interface to convert to OSC?
>
> 2009/6/4 David Akbari :
>> This may or may not be helpful to the present conversation but in 2005
>> I was using the p5glove in Csound through a UDO wrapper.
>>
>> http://www.csounds.com/udo/displayOpcode.php?opcode_id=58
>>
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>



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Thanks Chuckk, that clears it up for me. Don't think I'll need to Linux drivers.

Rory.


2009/6/5 Chuckk Hubbard :
> It sends its own kind of packets, which is why it requires a driver,
> as I understand it. The tower reads info from all of the little LEDs
> using two sensors at an angle to each other, and the flexors on the
> fingers send their own numbers, and all of that goes into some kind of
> packet which is interpreted by the driver to give position, rotation,
> and movement.
> GlovePIE can convert the glove's data to just about any other format,
> like mouse, keyboard, OSC, or joystick data.
> Someone made a Glove-to-OSC application for Linux that works okay, I
> can dig up the link if you want.
> BTW, some of the Windows drivers actually have warping correction and
> smoothing features that have never been implemented in Linux drivers.
> The guy who added them never responded to my email.
>
> -Chuckk
>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 12:03 AM, Rory Walsh wrote:
>> This is very interesting. I'm still confused however about what kind
>> of data the glove sends to the USB port? Is it OSC or did you use
>> another interface to convert to OSC?
>>
>> 2009/6/4 David Akbari :
>>> This may or may not be helpful to the present conversation but in 2005
>>> I was using the p5glove in Csound through a UDO wrapper.
>>>
>>> http://www.csounds.com/udo/displayOpcode.php?opcode_id=58
>>>
>>>
>>> -David
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>
>>
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>
>
>
> --
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>
>
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Can you provide docs for these John? They're not in the manual yet.

Cheers,
Andrés

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 7:15 AM,  wrote:
>
> The P5 Glove is a USB device.  The Csound implementation reads the data
> once per k-cycle and make the readings available to an opcode
>
> At present there needs to be some extensions to deal with buttons (just
> pressed, just released etc) and there is no calibration.
>
> eg
>
> 
> 
> -+rtaudio=alsa -o dac:hw:0
> 
> 
> nchnls = 2
> ksmps = 400
>
> #define P5G_BUTTONS #0#
> #define P5G_BUTTON_A    #1#
> #define P5G_BUTTON_B    #2#
> #define P5G_BUTTON_C    #4#
> #define P5G_FINGER_INDEX #8#
> #define P5G_FINGER_MIDDLE #9#
> #define P5G_FINGER_RING  #10#
> #define P5G_FINGER_PINKY #11#
> #define P5G_FINGER_THUMB #12#
> #define P5G_DELTA_X     #16#
> #define P5G_DELTA_Y     #17#
> #define P5G_DELTA_Z     #18#
> #define P5G_DELTA_XR    #19#
> #define P5G_DELTA_YR    #20#
> #define P5G_DELTA_ZR    #21#
> #define P5G_ANGLES      #22#
>
> gkcnt init 1
> gka   init -1.0
> gkp   init 0
> instr 1
>      p5gconnect
>  ka  p5gdata    $P5G_BUTTON_A.
> ; If the A button is pressed then activate a note
>  if  (ka==0)    goto ee
>  event "i", 2, 0, 2
>  gka p5gdata    $P5G_DELTA_X.
>  gkp p5gdata    $P5G_DELTA_Y.
> ee:
> endin
>
> instr 2
> ;;;  a1 oscil  ampdbfs(gka), 440+gkp, 1
>  a1 oscil  10000, 440, 1
>     outs   a1, a1
> endin
>
> 
>
> 
> f1 0 4096 10 1
> i1 0 300
>
> 
>
> 
>
>
> I do need some assistance on calibration though.
>
> ==John ff
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>



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Andrés

> Can you provide docs for these John? They're not in the manual yet.
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>

Still refining -- was working on it this morning.  Seem to be having a
performance problem at present

==John

There was a separate binary executable called "p5osc" that converted
the raw data sent by the P5 glove (connected via USB) to OSC.

I think the executable itself was based on some work by Ross Bencina,
I found it in an SVN somewhere and compiled it on Linux as well. When
I was using the UDO form more, it was on Mac OSX with the p5osc
program running in the background. Without the executable, I believe
the OS views it as just another HID device, as it can control mouse
movement out of the box.

This may all be unnecessary these days though, as it looks like we
have a native Csound implementation (which is delightful!).


-David

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 4:03 PM, Rory Walsh wrote:
> This is very interesting. I'm still confused however about what kind
> of data the glove sends to the USB port? Is it OSC or did you use
> another interface to convert to OSC?
>
> 2009/6/4 David Akbari :
>> This may or may not be helpful to the present conversation but in 2005
>> I was using the p5glove in Csound through a UDO wrapper.
>>
>> http://www.csounds.com/udo/displayOpcode.php?opcode_id=58
>>
>>
>> -David
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>
>
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