I'm interested in the Xsample Chamble ensemble app which seems to be a good 
playback engine, but I'm wondering what other software I need to get it to 
work. I don't really understand Cubase, Finale plugs-in, the Kontakt 
engine, or what-have-you.

A description and demo is here: 


Ideally I would like a way to enter notes in a score or sequencer and hear 
them played immediately. If I can't hear the playback until I've saved a 
file, loaded it in a different amp, and setup the start/end points, that's 
too clumsy.

Thanks,
Mike


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By far the easiest way to use this software IMHO, and any other sample
libraries for that matter is to get a copy of Sibelius or Finale as
these libraries can be interfaced directly. Sibelius and Finale will
allow you to enter notes in a score and hear them directly using the
sample bank you've selected. Be forewarned however that the examples
placed on the websites of all of these sample libraries always seem to
sound better than what one manages on their own...

Rory.

p.s. for a free notation editor try http://www.musescore.org/ Since it
was released under the GNU GPL development seems to have really taken
off. It won't let you run VSTs yet but will let you run soundfonts
using fluid synth. There are still a large amount of free sound fonts
to be found on the internet.


2010/1/6 Michael Mossey :
> I'm interested in the Xsample Chamble ensemble app which seems to be a good
> playback engine, but I'm wondering what other software I need to get it to
> work. I don't really understand Cubase, Finale plugs-in, the Kontakt engine,
> or what-have-you.
>
> A description and demo is here:
> 
>
> Ideally I would like a way to enter notes in a score or sequencer and hear
> them played immediately. If I can't hear the playback until I've saved a
> file, loaded it in a different amp, and setup the start/end points, that's
> too clumsy.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
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Rory Walsh wrote:
> By far the easiest way to use this software IMHO, and any other sample
> libraries

Hi Rory,
I'm just trying to be clear since I don't have a lot of understanding of 
the situation, but I believe this program (Xsample Chamber Ensemble) is not 
really a "sample library" but a "playback engine"---it's an application 
which generates a final playback that is much more sophisticated than a 
sampler. For example, it adds articulation, phrasing, vibrato, and that 
kind of thing, in an intelligent context-dependent way.

So my question is how to get from A to B. How to get from the input of a 
score editor (and which score editors are compatible), or from a sequencer, 
to final playback. And whether that is as simple as hitting "play" or 
whether something much more complicated (like exporting and importing 
files) is required.

I'll try to contact Xsample directly.

> 
> p.s. for a free notation editor try http://www.musescore.org/ Since it
> was released under the GNU GPL development seems to have really taken
> off. It won't let you run VSTs yet but will let you run soundfonts
> using fluid synth. There are still a large amount of free sound fonts
> to be found on the internet.

Unfortunately that is Linux-only. I'm working on Windows.

Thanks,
Mike



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MuseScore is not Linux only. It runs on Windows, Linux, and OS X. I
have used it myself on Linux and Windows. It's not great but it might
be useful for certain things.

Regards,
Mike

On 1/6/10, Michael Mossey  wrote:
>
>
> Rory Walsh wrote:
>> By far the easiest way to use this software IMHO, and any other sample
>> libraries
>
> Hi Rory,
> I'm just trying to be clear since I don't have a lot of understanding of
> the situation, but I believe this program (Xsample Chamber Ensemble) is not
> really a "sample library" but a "playback engine"---it's an application
> which generates a final playback that is much more sophisticated than a
> sampler. For example, it adds articulation, phrasing, vibrato, and that
> kind of thing, in an intelligent context-dependent way.
>
> So my question is how to get from A to B. How to get from the input of a
> score editor (and which score editors are compatible), or from a sequencer,
> to final playback. And whether that is as simple as hitting "play" or
> whether something much more complicated (like exporting and importing
> files) is required.
>
> I'll try to contact Xsample directly.
>
>>
>> p.s. for a free notation editor try http://www.musescore.org/ Since it
>> was released under the GNU GPL development seems to have really taken
>> off. It won't let you run VSTs yet but will let you run soundfonts
>> using fluid synth. There are still a large amount of free sound fonts
>> to be found on the internet.
>
> Unfortunately that is Linux-only. I'm working on Windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
>
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Sorry I wasn't clearer. When using Sibelius or Finale you simply add
articulation into the score and it automatically gets sent to the
sample playback engine which nowadays is integrated into notation
packages such as Sibelius or Finale. When I started using Sibelius I
used to write MIDI commands that were sent to an AKAI sampler.
Everything had to be entered as a MIDI command. Nowadays the notation
software translates all your articulation into midi command which are
then fed automatically to the playback engine. So to answer your
question "is it as simple as hitting play?", yes in a lot of cases it
is. Most of these playback engines come as VSTs too so that they can
be used in any sequencer program such as Cubase or Ableton but in my
experience they are a to easier to use from within Sibelius or Finale.
MuseScore is also available for window afaik.

Rory.


2010/1/6 Michael Mossey :
>
>
> Rory Walsh wrote:
>>
>> By far the easiest way to use this software IMHO, and any other sample
>> libraries
>
> Hi Rory,
> I'm just trying to be clear since I don't have a lot of understanding of the
> situation, but I believe this program (Xsample Chamber Ensemble) is not
> really a "sample library" but a "playback engine"---it's an application
> which generates a final playback that is much more sophisticated than a
> sampler. For example, it adds articulation, phrasing, vibrato, and that kind
> of thing, in an intelligent context-dependent way.
>
> So my question is how to get from A to B. How to get from the input of a
> score editor (and which score editors are compatible), or from a sequencer,
> to final playback. And whether that is as simple as hitting "play" or
> whether something much more complicated (like exporting and importing files)
> is required.
>
> I'll try to contact Xsample directly.
>
>>
>> p.s. for a free notation editor try http://www.musescore.org/ Since it
>> was released under the GNU GPL development seems to have really taken
>> off. It won't let you run VSTs yet but will let you run soundfonts
>> using fluid synth. There are still a large amount of free sound fonts
>> to be found on the internet.
>
> Unfortunately that is Linux-only. I'm working on Windows.
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
>
>
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Michael Gogins wrote:
> MuseScore is not Linux only. It runs on Windows, Linux, and OS X. I
> have used it myself on Linux and Windows. It's not great but it might
> be useful for certain things.
> 

Oops, I was thinking of something else and didn't bother to double-check my 
memory. My apologies.

Mike


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Rory Walsh wrote:
> Sorry I wasn't clearer. When using Sibelius or Finale you simply add
> articulation into the score and it automatically gets sent to the
> sample playback engine which nowadays is integrated into notation
> packages such as Sibelius or Finale. 

Oh, so basically it is not unusual these days for a sample playback engine 
to come with a lot of sample variations for different articulation, and it 
just gets selected via the notation?

> When I started using Sibelius I
> used to write MIDI commands that were sent to an AKAI sampler.
> Everything had to be entered as a MIDI command. Nowadays the notation
> software translates all your articulation into midi command which are
> then fed automatically to the playback engine. So to answer your
> question "is it as simple as hitting play?", yes in a lot of cases it
> is.

Well, I was thinking, in part, about the work involved in adding all the 
articulation marks vs. having the program do intelligent inference. So by 
my definition, if the playback engine does zero inference (and I just found 
a copy of the Xsample manual---it does ZERO inference and has to be told of 
every detail) then it's harder than hitting play.

You mentioned that the demo recordings with these libraries always seem to 
sound better than the average results. No doubt that's because the demos 
are tweaked to death. In everyday use it wouldn't be practical.

> Most of these playback engines come as VSTs too so that they can
> be used in any sequencer program such as Cubase or Ableton but in my
> experience they are a to easier to use from within Sibelius or Finale.
> MuseScore is also available for window afaik.

Now I remember what I was thinking of: MusE. MusE is Linux-only.

Thanks,
Mike



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This wikipedia entry has  a SW list and cross-comparison:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scorewriters

I've no idea how comprehensive it is. It doesn't include MUP (http://www.Arkkra.com/ 
) for example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_notation_software seems to be  
focused around musicXML which was invented and is distributed by  
Recordare
http://www.recordare.com/xml/software.html

 From my reading in the are Rosegarden (Linux only, no Mac) Lilypond  
and Musescore seem the most mature (I'm excluding the commercials).
I'd really like to see a detailed comparison of Lilypond and Musescore  
and am particularly interested in means by which they can be  
integrated with csound, via a python interface, for example.

David

On 07/01/2010, at 1:59 AM, Marc D. Demers wrote:

> MuseScore is available for Windows: http://sourceforge.net/projects/mscore/ 
> . There is also LMMS :http://lmms.sourceforge.net/
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2010 06:52:41 -0800
> > From: mpm@alumni.caltech.edu
> > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] what other software do I need to get  
> xsample chamber ensemble to work?
> >
> >
> >
> > Rory Walsh wrote:
> > > By far the easiest way to use this software IMHO, and any other  
> sample
> > > libraries
> >
> > Hi Rory,
> > I'm just trying to be clear since I don't have a lot of  
> understanding of
> > the situation, but I believe this program (Xsample Chamber  
> Ensemble) is not
> > really a "sample library" but a "playback engine"---it's an  
> application
> > which generates a final playback that is much more sophisticated  
> than a
> > sampler. For example, it adds articulation, phrasing, vibrato, and  
> that
> > kind of thing, in an intelligent context-dependent way.
> >
> > So my question is how to get from A to B. How to get from the  
> input of a
> > score editor (and which score editors are compatible), or from a  
> sequencer,
> > to final playback. And whether that is as simple as hitting "play"  
> or
> > whether something much more complicated (like exporting and  
> importing
> > files) is required.
> >
> > I'll try to contact Xsample directly.
> >
> > >
> > > p.s. for a free notation editor try http://www.musescore.org/  
> Since it
> > > was released under the GNU GPL development seems to have really  
> taken
> > > off. It won't let you run VSTs yet but will let you run soundfonts
> > > using fluid synth. There are still a large amount of free sound  
> fonts
> > > to be found on the internet.
> >
> > Unfortunately that is Linux-only. I'm working on Windows.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Mike
> >
> >
> >
> > Send bugs reports to this list.
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> "unsubscribe csound"
>
> Tirez parti d’une offre Windows 7 exceptionnelle, et voyez comment  
> il vous simplifie la vie. Explorez maintenant les offres Windows 7.

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