Your question is very good, and I don't know the answer.

As a child of 8 or 9 I used to ride in my father's car on his way from Salt 
Lake City to Los Angeles for business. On the long desert highways I would 
doze and listen to the rush of air past the car. I heard ethereal singing 
and orchestras in the noise.

Regards,
Mike

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Subject: [Csnd] "hearing things" in white noise


>I was recently using the 'noise' opcode to produce gentle white noise to 
>cover up background sounds. What I discovered was that I "hear things" in 
>it. I hear faint tones, voices, and music. I listened with high-resolution 
>headphones and this was even more obvious.
>
> Other than being a premise for a horror movie, is there some reality to 
> this, in the sense that the 'noise' opcode doesn't produce completely 
> uncorrelated noise, so it will have faint tones in it?
>
> Or is this pure human perception/projection at work?
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
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Michael,

What you mentioned is a revelation. Only two days ago (at a new year's  
party) I was drunkenly describing this childhood experience I had in  
my parents car, where I heard (on at least a coupe of occasions) a  
soft female voice calling/whispering my name. Now that you mention,  
yes the window was half open and I remember that once I had the  
distinct impression that the voice came into the car through the  
window. Wind makes perfect sense, I never thought about it.

Very interesting, at least I can rule out psychosis!

Best,

Peiman



On 3 Jan 2010, at 15:45, michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:

> Your question is very good, and I don't know the answer.
>
> As a child of 8 or 9 I used to ride in my father's car on his way  
> from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles for business. On the long desert  
> highways I would doze and listen to the rush of air past the car. I  
> heard ethereal singing and orchestras in the noise.
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mossey"  >
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:06 AM
> Subject: [Csnd] "hearing things" in white noise
>
>
>> I was recently using the 'noise' opcode to produce gentle white  
>> noise to cover up background sounds. What I discovered was that I  
>> "hear things" in it. I hear faint tones, voices, and music. I  
>> listened with high-resolution headphones and this was even more  
>> obvious.
>>
>> Other than being a premise for a horror movie, is there some  
>> reality to this, in the sense that the 'noise' opcode doesn't  
>> produce completely uncorrelated noise, so it will have faint tones  
>> in it?
>>
>> Or is this pure human perception/projection at work?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
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Their is an explanation to do with way "resonant amplifiers" are  
opened up on the auditory nerve - found in tinitus studies, I believe.  
I discuss some of the implications, including hearing the voice of  
recently departed loved ones "on the wind" in
Worrall, D. Space in sound: sound of space. Organised Sound Vol 3 No.  
2 Cambridge University Press (1998) pp 93-99.

(see http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=50093)

David

On 04/01/2010, at 2:55 AM, Peiman Khosravi wrote:

> Michael,
>
> What you mentioned is a revelation. Only two days ago (at a new  
> year's party) I was drunkenly describing this childhood experience I  
> had in my parents car, where I heard (on at least a coupe of  
> occasions) a soft female voice calling/whispering my name. Now that  
> you mention, yes the window was half open and I remember that once I  
> had the distinct impression that the voice came into the car through  
> the window. Wind makes perfect sense, I never thought about it.
>
> Very interesting, at least I can rule out psychosis!
>
> Best,
>
> Peiman
>
>
>
> On 3 Jan 2010, at 15:45, michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Your question is very good, and I don't know the answer.
>>
>> As a child of 8 or 9 I used to ride in my father's car on his way  
>> from Salt Lake City to Los Angeles for business. On the long desert  
>> highways I would doze and listen to the rush of air past the car. I  
>> heard ethereal singing and orchestras in the noise.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mossey" > >
>> To: 
>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:06 AM
>> Subject: [Csnd] "hearing things" in white noise
>>
>>
>>> I was recently using the 'noise' opcode to produce gentle white  
>>> noise to cover up background sounds. What I discovered was that I  
>>> "hear things" in it. I hear faint tones, voices, and music. I  
>>> listened with high-resolution headphones and this was even more  
>>> obvious.
>>>
>>> Other than being a premise for a horror movie, is there some  
>>> reality to this, in the sense that the 'noise' opcode doesn't  
>>> produce completely uncorrelated noise, so it will have faint tones  
>>> in it?
>>>
>>> Or is this pure human perception/projection at work?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>>
>>>
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It could be auditory semiotics like seeing a Santa Claus shaped cloud
from a random cloud pattern in the sky.

On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:08 PM, DavidW  wrote:
> Their is an explanation to do with way "resonant amplifiers" are opened up
> on the auditory nerve - found in tinitus studies, I believe. I discuss some
> of the implications, including hearing the voice of recently departed loved
> ones "on the wind" in
> Worrall, D. Space in sound: sound of space. Organised Sound Vol 3 No. 2
> Cambridge University Press (1998) pp 93-99.
>
> (see
> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=50093)
>
> David
>
> On 04/01/2010, at 2:55 AM, Peiman Khosravi wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> What you mentioned is a revelation. Only two days ago (at a new year's
>> party) I was drunkenly describing this childhood experience I had in my
>> parents car, where I heard (on at least a coupe of occasions) a soft female
>> voice calling/whispering my name. Now that you mention, yes the window was
>> half open and I remember that once I had the distinct impression that the
>> voice came into the car through the window. Wind makes perfect sense, I
>> never thought about it.
>>
>> Very interesting, at least I can rule out psychosis!
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>>
>> On 3 Jan 2010, at 15:45, michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Your question is very good, and I don't know the answer.
>>>
>>> As a child of 8 or 9 I used to ride in my father's car on his way from
>>> Salt Lake City to Los Angeles for business. On the long desert highways I
>>> would doze and listen to the rush of air past the car. I heard ethereal
>>> singing and orchestras in the noise.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Mike
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mossey"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:06 AM
>>> Subject: [Csnd] "hearing things" in white noise
>>>
>>>
>>>> I was recently using the 'noise' opcode to produce gentle white noise to
>>>> cover up background sounds. What I discovered was that I "hear things" in
>>>> it. I hear faint tones, voices, and music. I listened with high-resolution
>>>> headphones and this was even more obvious.
>>>>
>>>> Other than being a premise for a horror movie, is there some reality to
>>>> this, in the sense that the 'noise' opcode doesn't produce completely
>>>> uncorrelated noise, so it will have faint tones in it?
>>>>
>>>> Or is this pure human perception/projection at work?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

Brian Redfern wrote:
> It could be auditory semiotics like seeing a Santa Claus shaped cloud
> from a random cloud pattern in the sky.
> 
> On Sun, Jan 3, 2010 at 2:08 PM, DavidW  wrote:
>> Their is an explanation to do with way "resonant amplifiers" are opened up
>> on the auditory nerve - found in tinitus studies, I believe. I discuss some
>> of the implications, including hearing the voice of recently departed loved
>> ones "on the wind" in
>> Worrall, D. Space in sound: sound of space. Organised Sound Vol 3 No. 2
>> Cambridge University Press (1998) pp 93-99.
>>
>> (see
>> http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=50093)
>>
>> David
>>
>> On 04/01/2010, at 2:55 AM, Peiman Khosravi wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> What you mentioned is a revelation. Only two days ago (at a new year's
>>> party) I was drunkenly describing this childhood experience I had in my
>>> parents car, where I heard (on at least a coupe of occasions) a soft female
>>> voice calling/whispering my name. Now that you mention, yes the window was
>>> half open and I remember that once I had the distinct impression that the
>>> voice came into the car through the window. Wind makes perfect sense, I
>>> never thought about it.
>>>
>>> Very interesting, at least I can rule out psychosis!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 Jan 2010, at 15:45, michael.gogins@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Your question is very good, and I don't know the answer.
>>>>
>>>> As a child of 8 or 9 I used to ride in my father's car on his way from
>>>> Salt Lake City to Los Angeles for business. On the long desert highways I
>>>> would doze and listen to the rush of air past the car. I heard ethereal
>>>> singing and orchestras in the noise.
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Mike
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Mossey"
>>>> 
>>>> To: 
>>>> Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 4:06 AM
>>>> Subject: [Csnd] "hearing things" in white noise
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I was recently using the 'noise' opcode to produce gentle white noise to
>>>>> cover up background sounds. What I discovered was that I "hear things" in
>>>>> it. I hear faint tones, voices, and music. I listened with high-resolution
>>>>> headphones and this was even more obvious.
>>>>>
>>>>> Other than being a premise for a horror movie, is there some reality to
>>>>> this, in the sense that the 'noise' opcode doesn't produce completely
>>>>> uncorrelated noise, so it will have faint tones in it?
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is this pure human perception/projection at work?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Mike




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skippybog@aol.com wrote:
>   There is some really fascinating research by Diana Deutsch out of 
> UC-San Diego that goes into this a bit, and even has a CD with some 
> audio examples.  She refers to them as audio illusions.  I own her two 
> CDs and as an audio professional who is interested in psychology, it 
> struck a lot of chords with me.  

pun intended?

> She speaks a bit about the brain 
> decoding things into little audio messages that we are somehow feeling 
> or thinking about.  It's a bit like the ink-blotter visual tests you 
> see.  An amazing subject, indeed!
> 

Thanks for the link. I heard her speak to the Skeptics Society.

There might be another way to phrase my original question. Let's take it as 
a given that noise, by which I mean a random signal that could have any 
number of characteristics, stimulates auditory illusions. But we can still 
ask: is this more prevalent with some kinds of noise?

I discovered that, for me anyway, plugging a beta of 0.9 into the 'noise' 
opcode stimulates more illusory phenomena than plugging in a smaller beta. 
Note that with beta=0.9 the signal is more rolled-off. Then I tried using a 
smaller beta=0 and putting the output through a 'tone' filter, to see if 
that might also be just as stimulating. Nope.

-Mike




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