For any of you wondering . . .
my problem was the lack of the flag "-+rtaudio=alsa"
I also went ahead and bothered to read the --help and found that the -g flag
gets the ascii display of the ftables rather than the graphical.
Thank you for not replying for 3 days.

Hi,

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder  wrote:
> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.

We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.

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As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would have been 2-3 
questions away from helping me out.
I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how to use this 
software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to instruction (just 
above beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated discussion 
on which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very 
tangible question about core functionality of the software.
Regards,
Greg

On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:

> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder  wrote:
>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
>
> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
>
> Cheers,
> Andr?s
>
>
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While fltk is a 'core' feature of Csound not that many people use it.
Now that the API is available less and less people use the fltk
widgets preferring instead to develop their own GUIs. As there are so
few people using fltk on the list it's not inconceivable that those
select few just didn't have time to respond or they might not have
even see the message yet. Please don't let the lack of response put
you off posting again on this list, it really is an invaluable
resource when it comes to learning Csound. I hope your project works
out well.

Rory.

2009/10/22 gmschroeder@gmail.com :
> As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would have been 2-3
> questions away from helping me out.
> I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how to use this
> software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to instruction (just above
> beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated discussion on
> which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very tangible question
> about core functionality of the software.
> Regards,
> Greg
>
> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
>>
>> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andr?s
>>
>>
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>> csound"
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It's probably being mentioned before but Ian McCurdy has a whole load
of great lftk examples on his website, iainmccurdy.org. He seems to
eat sleep and dream fltk! And if he's reading, I hope the concert went
well yesterday!

Rory.


2009/10/23 Greg Schroeder :
> S'all good.
> I found a PDF you wrote on using the API - thanks, and thanks for giving an
> explanation for the lack of response. I don't quite follow your paper,
> (something about "I really don't know what I'm doing at all") but that's not
> important right yet. I have other work to do first.
> FLTK just looked like a quick easy way for me to illustrate a few basics of
> digital synthesis for a presentation I'm not really qualified to give but
> ended up committing to for later next month, and I didn't feel like dragging
> my dying macbook out to a presentation when I would not be at all surprised
> if it decided to quit working semi-permanently at any moment - It handles
> csound5gui much more comfortably than the olpc. Getting widgets working from
> the command line makes for a much less wonky experience with widgets on
> wimpy RAM amounts and processor speeds.
>
> Thank you!
> Greg
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>
>> While fltk is a 'core' feature of Csound not that many people use it.
>> Now that the API is available less and less people use the fltk
>> widgets preferring instead to develop their own GUIs. As there are so
>> few people using fltk on the list it's not inconceivable that those
>> select few just didn't have time to respond or they might not have
>> even see the message yet. Please don't let the lack of response put
>> you off posting again on this list, it really is an invaluable
>> resource when it comes to learning Csound. I hope your project works
>> out well.
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>> 2009/10/22 gmschroeder@gmail.com :
>> > As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would have been 2-3
>> > questions away from helping me out.
>> > I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how to use this
>> > software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to instruction (just
>> > above
>> > beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated discussion on
>> > which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very tangible
>> > question
>> > about core functionality of the software.
>> > Regards,
>> > Greg
>> >
>> > On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>> >
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
>> >>
>> >> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Andr?s
>> >>
>> >>
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actually, I think those are the examples I was planning to adapt 
(credited, of course) for my talk.
I take it he's still around in some form?
I'd ultimately like to develop something in ncurses, but I am still 
inexperienced enough  as both a musician and programmer that seeing what I 
like/dislike about others' approach seems a wiser idea for now.

On a completely unrelated note, is anyone here using a matrix controller 
(eg. monome/arduinome) to control csound?
Greg

On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Rory Walsh wrote:

> It's probably being mentioned before but Ian McCurdy has a whole load
> of great lftk examples on his website, iainmccurdy.org. He seems to
> eat sleep and dream fltk! And if he's reading, I hope the concert went
> well yesterday!
>
> Rory.
>
>
> 2009/10/23 Greg Schroeder :
>> S'all good.
>> I found a PDF you wrote on using the API - thanks, and thanks for giving an
>> explanation for the lack of response. I don't quite follow your paper,
>> (something about "I really don't know what I'm doing at all") but that's not
>> important right yet. I have other work to do first.
>> FLTK just looked like a quick easy way for me to illustrate a few basics of
>> digital synthesis for a presentation I'm not really qualified to give but
>> ended up committing to for later next month, and I didn't feel like dragging
>> my dying macbook out to a presentation when I would not be at all surprised
>> if it decided to quit working semi-permanently at any moment - It handles
>> csound5gui much more comfortably than the olpc. Getting widgets working from
>> the command line makes for a much less wonky experience with widgets on
>> wimpy RAM amounts and processor speeds.
>>
>> Thank you!
>> Greg
>>
>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>
>>> While fltk is a 'core' feature of Csound not that many people use it.
>>> Now that the API is available less and less people use the fltk
>>> widgets preferring instead to develop their own GUIs. As there are so
>>> few people using fltk on the list it's not inconceivable that those
>>> select few just didn't have time to respond or they might not have
>>> even see the message yet. Please don't let the lack of response put
>>> you off posting again on this list, it really is an invaluable
>>> resource when it comes to learning Csound. I hope your project works
>>> out well.
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>> 2009/10/22 gmschroeder@gmail.com :
>>>> As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would have been 2-3
>>>> questions away from helping me out.
>>>> I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how to use this
>>>> software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to instruction (just
>>>> above
>>>> beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated discussion on
>>>> which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very tangible
>>>> question
>>>> about core functionality of the software.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Greg
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
>>>>>
>>>>> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Andr?s
>>>>>
>>>>>
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And Greg does provide a very good reason for using FLTK: compatibility
with older/less powerful machines. I would think QuteCsound might be a
bit heavy on an underpowered machine, but I would love reports on that.

Cheers,
Andrés

El vie, 23-10-2009 a las 16:17 +0000, Iain McCurdy escribió:
> I am indeed still around (in some form). I remember the initial post
> but infortunately didn't have an answer immediately at hand and had
> been too busy recently to investigate so I apologise for that Greg. I
> normally try to make a point of answering questions in my area and
> questions that haven't been picked up by other list contributors. 
> Many of the people on this list are indeed more occupied with means of
> interfacing with Csound other than FLTK but there are still many
> people using FLTK indicated by the 100+ daily visitors I get to my
> Csound examples page. It is this factor which has encouraged me to
> continue to update the resource. I am beginning to port my examples to
> use QuteCsound widgets which probably exceed FLTK in terms of
> functionality but I think the FLTK widgets continue to offer a useful,
> self contained and platform and front-end independent means of getting
> information into Csound.
> 
> Bye,
> Iain
> 
> > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:40:36 +0900
> > From: gmschroeder@gmail.com
> > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re turning and problems
> with FLTK.
> > 
> > actually, I think those are the examples I was planning to adapt 
> > (credited, of course) for my talk.
> > I take it he's still around in some form?
> > I'd ultimately like to develop something in ncurses, but I am still 
> > inexperienced enough as both a musician and programmer that seeing
> what I 
> > like/dislike about others' approach seems a wiser idea for now.
> > 
> > On a completely unrelated note, is anyone here using a matrix
> controller 
> > (eg. monome/arduinome) to control csound?
> > Greg
> > 
> > On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Rory Walsh wrote:
> > 
> > > It's probably being mentioned before but Ian McCurdy has a whole
> load
> > > of great lftk examples on his website, iainmccurdy.org. He seems
> to
> > > eat sleep and dream fltk! And if he's reading, I hope the concert
> went
> > > well yesterday!
> > >
> > > Rory.
> > >
> > >
> > > 2009/10/23 Greg Schroeder :
> > >> S'all good.
> > >> I found a PDF you wrote on using the API - thanks, and thanks for
> giving an
> > >> explanation for the lack of response. I don't quite follow your
> paper,
> > >> (something about "I really don't know what I'm doing at all") but
> that's not
> > >> important right yet. I have other work to do first.
> > >> FLTK just looked like a quick easy way for me to illustrate a few
> basics of
> > >> digital synthesis for a presentation I'm not really qualified to
> give but
> > >> ended up committing to for later next month, and I didn't feel
> like dragging
> > >> my dying macbook out to a presentation when I would not be at all
> surprised
> > >> if it decided to quit working semi-permanently at any moment - It
> handles
> > >> csound5gui much more comfortably than the olpc. Getting widgets
> working from
> > >> the command line makes for a much less wonky experience with
> widgets on
> > >> wimpy RAM amounts and processor speeds.
> > >>
> > >> Thank you!
> > >> Greg
> > >>
> > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Rory Walsh 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> While fltk is a 'core' feature of Csound not that many people
> use it.
> > >>> Now that the API is available less and less people use the fltk
> > >>> widgets preferring instead to develop their own GUIs. As there
> are so
> > >>> few people using fltk on the list it's not inconceivable that
> those
> > >>> select few just didn't have time to respond or they might not
> have
> > >>> even see the message yet. Please don't let the lack of response
> put
> > >>> you off posting again on this list, it really is an invaluable
> > >>> resource when it comes to learning Csound. I hope your project
> works
> > >>> out well.
> > >>>
> > >>> Rory.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2009/10/22 gmschroeder@gmail.com :
> > >>>> As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would have
> been 2-3
> > >>>> questions away from helping me out.
> > >>>> I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how to
> use this
> > >>>> software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to instruction
> (just
> > >>>> above
> > >>>> beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated
> discussion on
> > >>>> which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very
> tangible
> > >>>> question
> > >>>> about core functionality of the software.
> > >>>> Regards,
> > >>>> Greg
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Hi,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder
> 
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>> Andr?s
> > >>>>>
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I tested a version of AudioCarver (which uses the QtCore, QtGui, and QtXml modules) on an old Pentium II with 64MB of ram six months ago, and it took 2.5 minutes for QtCore alone to load, nevermind the rest of the program.  Granted, it was an older and slower version of Qt that I was using (it's a bit faster now), but needless to say I won't be trying that again anytime soon =)



----- "Andrés Cabrera"  wrote:
> And Greg does provide a very good reason for using FLTK:
> compatibility
> with older/less powerful machines. I would think QuteCsound might be
> a
> bit heavy on an underpowered machine, but I would love reports on
> that.
> 
> Cheers,
> Andrés
> 
> El vie, 23-10-2009 a las 16:17 +0000, Iain McCurdy escribió:
> > I am indeed still around (in some form). I remember the initial
> post
> > but infortunately didn't have an answer immediately at hand and had
> > been too busy recently to investigate so I apologise for that Greg.
> I
> > normally try to make a point of answering questions in my area and
> > questions that haven't been picked up by other list contributors. 
> > Many of the people on this list are indeed more occupied with means
> of
> > interfacing with Csound other than FLTK but there are still many
> > people using FLTK indicated by the 100+ daily visitors I get to my
> > Csound examples page. It is this factor which has encouraged me to
> > continue to update the resource. I am beginning to port my examples
> to
> > use QuteCsound widgets which probably exceed FLTK in terms of
> > functionality but I think the FLTK widgets continue to offer a
> useful,
> > self contained and platform and front-end independent means of
> getting
> > information into Csound.
> > 
> > Bye,
> > Iain
> > 
> > > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:40:36 +0900
> > > From: gmschroeder@gmail.com
> > > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
> > > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re turning and
> problems
> > with FLTK.
> > > 
> > > actually, I think those are the examples I was planning to adapt 
> > > (credited, of course) for my talk.
> > > I take it he's still around in some form?
> > > I'd ultimately like to develop something in ncurses, but I am
> still 
> > > inexperienced enough as both a musician and programmer that
> seeing
> > what I 
> > > like/dislike about others' approach seems a wiser idea for now.
> > > 
> > > On a completely unrelated note, is anyone here using a matrix
> > controller 
> > > (eg. monome/arduinome) to control csound?
> > > Greg
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Rory Walsh wrote:
> > > 
> > > > It's probably being mentioned before but Ian McCurdy has a
> whole
> > load
> > > > of great lftk examples on his website, iainmccurdy.org. He
> seems
> > to
> > > > eat sleep and dream fltk! And if he's reading, I hope the
> concert
> > went
> > > > well yesterday!
> > > >
> > > > Rory.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2009/10/23 Greg Schroeder :
> > > >> S'all good.
> > > >> I found a PDF you wrote on using the API - thanks, and thanks
> for
> > giving an
> > > >> explanation for the lack of response. I don't quite follow
> your
> > paper,
> > > >> (something about "I really don't know what I'm doing at all")
> but
> > that's not
> > > >> important right yet. I have other work to do first.
> > > >> FLTK just looked like a quick easy way for me to illustrate a
> few
> > basics of
> > > >> digital synthesis for a presentation I'm not really qualified
> to
> > give but
> > > >> ended up committing to for later next month, and I didn't feel
> > like dragging
> > > >> my dying macbook out to a presentation when I would not be at
> all
> > surprised
> > > >> if it decided to quit working semi-permanently at any moment -
> It
> > handles
> > > >> csound5gui much more comfortably than the olpc. Getting
> widgets
> > working from
> > > >> the command line makes for a much less wonky experience with
> > widgets on
> > > >> wimpy RAM amounts and processor speeds.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thank you!
> > > >> Greg
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Rory Walsh 
> > wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>> While fltk is a 'core' feature of Csound not that many people
> > use it.
> > > >>> Now that the API is available less and less people use the
> fltk
> > > >>> widgets preferring instead to develop their own GUIs. As
> there
> > are so
> > > >>> few people using fltk on the list it's not inconceivable that
> > those
> > > >>> select few just didn't have time to respond or they might not
> > have
> > > >>> even see the message yet. Please don't let the lack of
> response
> > put
> > > >>> you off posting again on this list, it really is an
> invaluable
> > > >>> resource when it comes to learning Csound. I hope your
> project
> > works
> > > >>> out well.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Rory.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 2009/10/22 gmschroeder@gmail.com :
> > > >>>> As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would
> have
> > been 2-3
> > > >>>> questions away from helping me out.
> > > >>>> I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how
> to
> > use this
> > > >>>> software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to
> instruction
> > (just
> > > >>>> above
> > > >>>> beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated
> > discussion on
> > > >>>> which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very
> > tangible
> > > >>>> question
> > > >>>> about core functionality of the software.
> > > >>>> Regards,
> > > >>>> Greg
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Hi,
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder
> > 
> > > >>>>> wrote:
> > > >>>>>>
> > > >>>>>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> Cheers,
> > > >>>>> Andr?s
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
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OK, thanks for the report.

Cheers,
Andres

On Fri, Oct 23, 2009 at 10:11 PM, Andy Fillebrown
 wrote:
>
>
>
> I tested a version of AudioCarver (which uses the QtCore, QtGui, and QtXml modules) on an old Pentium II with 64MB of ram six months ago, and it took 2.5 minutes for QtCore alone to load, nevermind the rest of the program.  Granted, it was an older and slower version of Qt that I was using (it's a bit faster now), but needless to say I won't be trying that again anytime soon =)
>
>
>
> ----- "Andrés Cabrera"  wrote:
>> And Greg does provide a very good reason for using FLTK:
>> compatibility
>> with older/less powerful machines. I would think QuteCsound might be
>> a
>> bit heavy on an underpowered machine, but I would love reports on
>> that.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andrés
>>
>> El vie, 23-10-2009 a las 16:17 +0000, Iain McCurdy escribió:
>> > I am indeed still around (in some form). I remember the initial
>> post
>> > but infortunately didn't have an answer immediately at hand and had
>> > been too busy recently to investigate so I apologise for that Greg.
>> I
>> > normally try to make a point of answering questions in my area and
>> > questions that haven't been picked up by other list contributors.
>> > Many of the people on this list are indeed more occupied with means
>> of
>> > interfacing with Csound other than FLTK but there are still many
>> > people using FLTK indicated by the 100+ daily visitors I get to my
>> > Csound examples page. It is this factor which has encouraged me to
>> > continue to update the resource. I am beginning to port my examples
>> to
>> > use QuteCsound widgets which probably exceed FLTK in terms of
>> > functionality but I think the FLTK widgets continue to offer a
>> useful,
>> > self contained and platform and front-end independent means of
>> getting
>> > information into Csound.
>> >
>> > Bye,
>> > Iain
>> >
>> > > Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:40:36 +0900
>> > > From: gmschroeder@gmail.com
>> > > To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>> > > Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re turning and
>> problems
>> > with FLTK.
>> > >
>> > > actually, I think those are the examples I was planning to adapt
>> > > (credited, of course) for my talk.
>> > > I take it he's still around in some form?
>> > > I'd ultimately like to develop something in ncurses, but I am
>> still
>> > > inexperienced enough as both a musician and programmer that
>> seeing
>> > what I
>> > > like/dislike about others' approach seems a wiser idea for now.
>> > >
>> > > On a completely unrelated note, is anyone here using a matrix
>> > controller
>> > > (eg. monome/arduinome) to control csound?
>> > > Greg
>> > >
>> > > On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Rory Walsh wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > It's probably being mentioned before but Ian McCurdy has a
>> whole
>> > load
>> > > > of great lftk examples on his website, iainmccurdy.org. He
>> seems
>> > to
>> > > > eat sleep and dream fltk! And if he's reading, I hope the
>> concert
>> > went
>> > > > well yesterday!
>> > > >
>> > > > Rory.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > 2009/10/23 Greg Schroeder :
>> > > >> S'all good.
>> > > >> I found a PDF you wrote on using the API - thanks, and thanks
>> for
>> > giving an
>> > > >> explanation for the lack of response. I don't quite follow
>> your
>> > paper,
>> > > >> (something about "I really don't know what I'm doing at all")
>> but
>> > that's not
>> > > >> important right yet. I have other work to do first.
>> > > >> FLTK just looked like a quick easy way for me to illustrate a
>> few
>> > basics of
>> > > >> digital synthesis for a presentation I'm not really qualified
>> to
>> > give but
>> > > >> ended up committing to for later next month, and I didn't feel
>> > like dragging
>> > > >> my dying macbook out to a presentation when I would not be at
>> all
>> > surprised
>> > > >> if it decided to quit working semi-permanently at any moment -
>> It
>> > handles
>> > > >> csound5gui much more comfortably than the olpc. Getting
>> widgets
>> > working from
>> > > >> the command line makes for a much less wonky experience with
>> > widgets on
>> > > >> wimpy RAM amounts and processor speeds.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Thank you!
>> > > >> Greg
>> > > >>
>> > > >> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Rory Walsh 
>> > wrote:
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> While fltk is a 'core' feature of Csound not that many people
>> > use it.
>> > > >>> Now that the API is available less and less people use the
>> fltk
>> > > >>> widgets preferring instead to develop their own GUIs. As
>> there
>> > are so
>> > > >>> few people using fltk on the list it's not inconceivable that
>> > those
>> > > >>> select few just didn't have time to respond or they might not
>> > have
>> > > >>> even see the message yet. Please don't let the lack of
>> response
>> > put
>> > > >>> you off posting again on this list, it really is an
>> invaluable
>> > > >>> resource when it comes to learning Csound. I hope your
>> project
>> > works
>> > > >>> out well.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> Rory.
>> > > >>>
>> > > >>> 2009/10/22 gmschroeder@gmail.com :
>> > > >>>> As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would
>> have
>> > been 2-3
>> > > >>>> questions away from helping me out.
>> > > >>>> I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how
>> to
>> > use this
>> > > >>>> software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to
>> instruction
>> > (just
>> > > >>>> above
>> > > >>>> beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated
>> > discussion on
>> > > >>>> which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very
>> > tangible
>> > > >>>> question
>> > > >>>> about core functionality of the software.
>> > > >>>> Regards,
>> > > >>>> Greg
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>> > > >>>>
>> > > >>>>> Hi,
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder
>> > 
>> > > >>>>> wrote:
>> > > >>>>>>
>> > > >>>>>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
>> > > >>>>>
>> > > >>>>> Cheers,
>> > > >>>>> Andr?s
>> > > >>>>>
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Iain,
You have a job. This is something I do for fun. No worries.
I simply use FLTK at the moment because McCurdy's examples are the only
ones in that vein I could locate. I have found another csounds.com hosted
site with tb303 emulators and such, but at least for now I'm interested
mostly in learning about synthesis in itself, and the FLTK examples on 
Iain's site have been quite helpful to me and (hopefully) will be to those
I will be talking with next month.
As far as QuteCsound . . .
>From what I've read, QuteCsound is not an obvious choice for AMD Geodes with
256 megs of RAM handy. Csound5gui struggles.
I don't see what people have against good old-fashioned text editors and 
command line calls, tbh.
Greg
On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Andr?s Cabrera wrote:

> And Greg does provide a very good reason for using FLTK: compatibility
> with older/less powerful machines. I would think QuteCsound might be a
> bit heavy on an underpowered machine, but I would love reports on that.
>
> Cheers,
> Andr?s
>
> El vie, 23-10-2009 a las 16:17 +0000, Iain McCurdy escribi?:
>> I am indeed still around (in some form). I remember the initial post
>> but infortunately didn't have an answer immediately at hand and had
>> been too busy recently to investigate so I apologise for that Greg. I
>> normally try to make a point of answering questions in my area and
>> questions that haven't been picked up by other list contributors.
>> Many of the people on this list are indeed more occupied with means of
>> interfacing with Csound other than FLTK but there are still many
>> people using FLTK indicated by the 100+ daily visitors I get to my
>> Csound examples page. It is this factor which has encouraged me to
>> continue to update the resource. I am beginning to port my examples to
>> use QuteCsound widgets which probably exceed FLTK in terms of
>> functionality but I think the FLTK widgets continue to offer a useful,
>> self contained and platform and front-end independent means of getting
>> information into Csound.
>>
>> Bye,
>> Iain
>>
>>> Date: Fri, 23 Oct 2009 21:40:36 +0900
>>> From: gmschroeder@gmail.com
>>> To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re turning and problems
>> with FLTK.
>>>
>>> actually, I think those are the examples I was planning to adapt
>>> (credited, of course) for my talk.
>>> I take it he's still around in some form?
>>> I'd ultimately like to develop something in ncurses, but I am still
>>> inexperienced enough as both a musician and programmer that seeing
>> what I
>>> like/dislike about others' approach seems a wiser idea for now.
>>>
>>> On a completely unrelated note, is anyone here using a matrix
>> controller
>>> (eg. monome/arduinome) to control csound?
>>> Greg
>>>
>>> On Fri, 23 Oct 2009, Rory Walsh wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's probably being mentioned before but Ian McCurdy has a whole
>> load
>>>> of great lftk examples on his website, iainmccurdy.org. He seems
>> to
>>>> eat sleep and dream fltk! And if he's reading, I hope the concert
>> went
>>>> well yesterday!
>>>>
>>>> Rory.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2009/10/23 Greg Schroeder :
>>>>> S'all good.
>>>>> I found a PDF you wrote on using the API - thanks, and thanks for
>> giving an
>>>>> explanation for the lack of response. I don't quite follow your
>> paper,
>>>>> (something about "I really don't know what I'm doing at all") but
>> that's not
>>>>> important right yet. I have other work to do first.
>>>>> FLTK just looked like a quick easy way for me to illustrate a few
>> basics of
>>>>> digital synthesis for a presentation I'm not really qualified to
>> give but
>>>>> ended up committing to for later next month, and I didn't feel
>> like dragging
>>>>> my dying macbook out to a presentation when I would not be at all
>> surprised
>>>>> if it decided to quit working semi-permanently at any moment - It
>> handles
>>>>> csound5gui much more comfortably than the olpc. Getting widgets
>> working from
>>>>> the command line makes for a much less wonky experience with
>> widgets on
>>>>> wimpy RAM amounts and processor speeds.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>> Greg
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:59 PM, Rory Walsh 
>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While fltk is a 'core' feature of Csound not that many people
>> use it.
>>>>>> Now that the API is available less and less people use the fltk
>>>>>> widgets preferring instead to develop their own GUIs. As there
>> are so
>>>>>> few people using fltk on the list it's not inconceivable that
>> those
>>>>>> select few just didn't have time to respond or they might not
>> have
>>>>>> even see the message yet. Please don't let the lack of response
>> put
>>>>>> you off posting again on this list, it really is an invaluable
>>>>>> resource when it comes to learning Csound. I hope your project
>> works
>>>>>> out well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rory.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/10/22 gmschroeder@gmail.com :
>>>>>>> As far as I can tell, a conversation on this board would have
>> been 2-3
>>>>>>> questions away from helping me out.
>>>>>>> I'm not trying to be rude here, I'm just trying to learn how to
>> use this
>>>>>>> software while I'm in a bit of a gap w/ regard to instruction
>> (just
>>>>>>> above
>>>>>>> beginner) and it's sort of frustrating to see an animated
>> discussion on
>>>>>>> which linux distro is best for csound when I have a very
>> tangible
>>>>>>> question
>>>>>>> about core functionality of the software.
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Greg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, 22 Oct 2009, Andres Cabrera wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 10:47 AM, gmschroeder
>> 
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Thank you for not replying for 3 days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We had faith in you and knew you would figure it out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Andr?s
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
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Hi Greg,

On Sat, Oct 24, 2009 at 5:18 AM, gmschroeder@gmail.com
 wrote:
> Iain,
> You have a job. This is something I do for fun. No worries.
> I simply use FLTK at the moment because McCurdy's examples are the only
> ones in that vein I could locate. I have found another csounds.com hosted
> site with tb303 emulators and such, but at least for now I'm interested
> mostly in learning about synthesis in itself, and the FLTK examples on
> Iain's site have been quite helpful to me and (hopefully) will be to those
> I will be talking with next month.
> As far as QuteCsound . . .
> From what I've read, QuteCsound is not an obvious choice for AMD Geodes with
> 256 megs of RAM handy. Csound5gui struggles.
> I don't see what people have against good old-fashioned text editors and
> command line calls, tbh.

Just in case I wasn't clear... I was precisely saying that FLTK is
good for that reason, I wasn't being sarcastic or anything. QuteCsound
is probably a bad choice for an XO.

Cheers,
Andrés


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Great! Let's include it in the QuteCsound examples menu!

	joachim


Am 23.10.2009 um 18:17 schrieb Iain McCurdy:

> I am beginning to port my examples to use QuteCsound widgets



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