Thanks for the kind words, Michael and Oeyvind. As you well know, they are 
much appreciated.

Regarding possible performance: none currently planned, but who knows?

As a retired (and aging) person, I find myself quite anathema to 
self-promotion, if indeed I had any proclivity in that direction. I rather 
tend more to Charles Ives' opinion: that my works might *prefer* to remain 
on the shelf. (I do, however, certainly believe in "putting it out there" - 
on the WWW, and announcing its existence to possibly interested people For 
me, that's generally far enough.)

OTOH, I'd be more than happy for someone else to pick up the ball and run 
with it. (Presumably that's why I compose realtime music. Heavens knows - 
I've no interest in developing a reputation as a performer of 
electroacoustic music.)

Art Hunkins

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Rhoades" 
To: 
Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] New Composition: Magnificat


>I agree...
>
> Another fantastic Csound piece Art. Will you be performing it any time 
> soon?
>
> Michael
>
>
> On 12/23/11 6:12 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>> Thanks for the beautiful piece, Art.
>> Thanks also for the nice website, there's really a lot of interesting
>> stuff there. I also like the personal touch of a spoken welcome
>> instead of just text.
>> best
>> Oeyvind
>>
>> 2011/12/22 Art Hunkins:
>>> Announcing my latest composition, barely in time for the 
>>> Advent/Christmas
>>> season:
>>> MAGNIFICAT (2011) for realtime Csound5
>>> (with optional intoned or spoken female voice)
>>>
>>> Complete materials, including .mp3 demo (computer solo version), at the 
>>> top
>>> of composition list:
>>> http://www.arthunkins.com
>>>
>>> Note: this exists in a quad as well as stereo version; and, yes (Rory), 
>>> I'm
>>> still making Lettuce executables distributed with necessary Csound files
>>> (all zipped up) for standalone (Windows) performance. Of course there 
>>> are
>>> commandline versions for all platforms as well.
>>>
>>> Have a happy/holy Christmas season.
>>>
>>> Art Hunkins
>>>
>>>
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>>
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I understand and respect your perspective Art (and Charles). I feel much 
the same. Recently, while grappling with this question, I wrote the 
following as my own resolution and reminder since the question surfaces 
from time to time:

Why do we feel the need to present our artistic creations publicly?

We create because we have something to say, which infers we have 
something to communicate. As an example, verbal creation can be in the 
form of a conversation (in time) or in the form of a writing (out of 
time). Either way we are speaking out from within. In “out of time” 
creation we look for an audience in order to complete the chain since by 
its very nature communication flows from one to another and back again. 
Until we find an audience, creating is like planting a seed without 
watering it.

We, as artists, seek an audience simply to be heard whether that 
audience is in time or out of time. It is only when the ego steps in 
that creation is reduced to gratification; a cheap imitation of 
communication. So feel free to seek an audience in order to be heard. Do 
not let the possibility of ego involvement stop the pure intent of 
creation... communication.



On 12/23/11 12:22 PM, Art Hunkins wrote:
> Thanks for the kind words, Michael and Oeyvind. As you well know, they 
> are much appreciated.
>
> Regarding possible performance: none currently planned, but who knows?
>
> As a retired (and aging) person, I find myself quite anathema to 
> self-promotion, if indeed I had any proclivity in that direction. I 
> rather tend more to Charles Ives' opinion: that my works might 
> *prefer* to remain on the shelf. (I do, however, certainly believe in 
> "putting it out there" - on the WWW, and announcing its existence to 
> possibly interested people For me, that's generally far enough.)
>
> OTOH, I'd be more than happy for someone else to pick up the ball and 
> run with it. (Presumably that's why I compose realtime music. Heavens 
> knows - I've no interest in developing a reputation as a performer of 
> electroacoustic music.)
>
> Art Hunkins
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Rhoades" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Friday, December 23, 2011 7:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [Csnd] New Composition: Magnificat
>
>
>> I agree...
>>
>> Another fantastic Csound piece Art. Will you be performing it any 
>> time soon?
>>
>> Michael
>>
>>
>> On 12/23/11 6:12 AM, Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote:
>>> Thanks for the beautiful piece, Art.
>>> Thanks also for the nice website, there's really a lot of interesting
>>> stuff there. I also like the personal touch of a spoken welcome
>>> instead of just text.
>>> best
>>> Oeyvind
>>>
>>> 2011/12/22 Art Hunkins:
>>>> Announcing my latest composition, barely in time for the 
>>>> Advent/Christmas
>>>> season:
>>>> MAGNIFICAT (2011) for realtime Csound5
>>>> (with optional intoned or spoken female voice)
>>>>
>>>> Complete materials, including .mp3 demo (computer solo version), at 
>>>> the top
>>>> of composition list:
>>>> http://www.arthunkins.com
>>>>
>>>> Note: this exists in a quad as well as stereo version; and, yes 
>>>> (Rory), I'm
>>>> still making Lettuce executables distributed with necessary Csound 
>>>> files
>>>> (all zipped up) for standalone (Windows) performance. Of course 
>>>> there are
>>>> commandline versions for all platforms as well.
>>>>
>>>> Have a happy/holy Christmas season.
>>>>
>>>> Art Hunkins


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hi

thank you for your evocative post.

On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 15:15, Michael Rhoades
 wrote:
> Why do we feel the need to present our artistic creations publicly?

an excellent question! however i have no pithy answer ...

> We create because we have something to say, which infers we have something
> to communicate.

i don't think this is always the case. some people create for
themselves with no concern for a wider audience. the act of creation
itself can help give meaning to a person's life. it can be something
like meditation.

and your writing example doesn't sit so well with me. what about
stream of consciouness writing? how does that fit into your
classification [in time/out of time]? maybe the act of putting words
down on paper or computer files makes linguistic communication 'out of
time'.

> We, as artists, seek an audience simply to be heard whether that audience is
> in time or out of time.

i don't think this is true of all artists. in the culture i live in
[usa] it is almost impossible to conceive of someone doing something
artistic just for the love of it- with no regard for opportunities for
wider publicity or economic gain; but all i need is one person like
this to make the point.

so while i don't really disagree with what you're saying, i guess i
think that people create stuff for all kinds of reasons; most of which
can be reduced to 'communication' or one sort or another, but not all
can be.

Hi John and all,

This is indeed an interesting question. One that we each might at times 
consider. And of course I agree with your assessments of my statements 
and found your comments interesting. Thank you... they caused me to seek 
more clarity, which can only be a good thing.

When I state that we create because we have something to say I simply 
mean that, for whatever reason, we feel a need to express. Whether we 
present it to anyone else or not may or not be pertinent. I agree that 
it appears that everyone has their own motivations for composing.

In time or out of time... this is more difficult to define than I 
imagined... let me attempt it by way of an example... "In Time" would be 
a performance happening now. Though it might be based upon ideas that 
were preconceived, it is an expression of them in the present moment. 
"Out of time" would be a recording of that performance.

Michael

On 12/23/11 4:15 PM, john saylor wrote:
> hi
>
> thank you for your evocative post.
>
> On Fri, Dec 23, 2011 at 15:15, Michael Rhoades
>   wrote:
>> Why do we feel the need to present our artistic creations publicly?
> an excellent question! however i have no pithy answer ...
>
>> We create because we have something to say, which infers we have something
>> to communicate.
> i don't think this is always the case. some people create for
> themselves with no concern for a wider audience. the act of creation
> itself can help give meaning to a person's life. it can be something
> like meditation.
>
> and your writing example doesn't sit so well with me. what about
> stream of consciouness writing? how does that fit into your
> classification [in time/out of time]? maybe the act of putting words
> down on paper or computer files makes linguistic communication 'out of
> time'.
>
>> We, as artists, seek an audience simply to be heard whether that audience is
>> in time or out of time.
> i don't think this is true of all artists. in the culture i live in
> [usa] it is almost impossible to conceive of someone doing something
> artistic just for the love of it- with no regard for opportunities for
> wider publicity or economic gain; but all i need is one person like
> this to make the point.
>
> so while i don't really disagree with what you're saying, i guess i
> think that people create stuff for all kinds of reasons; most of which
> can be reduced to 'communication' or one sort or another, but not all
> can be.
>