He's a great speaker, but sonification of data is older than 2005.

Thanks for the heads-up, interesting talk.

On 12/13/11, Peiman Khosravi  wrote:
> Despite the new age mambo jumbo!
>
> P
>
>
> From:  Peiman Khosravi 
> Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:59:36 +0000
> To:  "csound@lists.bath.ac.uk" 
> Subject:  sonification
>
> This is cool.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQJfQXGbWQ4
>
> Peiman
>
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Actually, I like that sort of thing!
:-)

Richard Dobson


On 13/12/2011 12:04, Peiman Khosravi wrote:
> Despite the new age mambo jumbo!
>
> P
>
>
> From: Peiman Khosravi  >
> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:59:36 +0000
> To: "csound@lists.bath.ac.uk "
> >
> Subject: sonification
>
> This is cool.
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQJfQXGbWQ4
>
> Peiman



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On 14/12/2011, at 6:22 AM, Egor Sanin wrote:

He's a great speaker, but sonification of data is older than 2005.

Of course he didn't say or imply that it was.

In fact, he is one author of the  paper Sonification of Heart Rate Variability Data (2000) along with 

Bruce Pennycook & Leon Glass

David

Thanks for the heads-up, interesting talk.

On 12/13/11, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote:

Despite the new age mambo jumbo!

P

From:  Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com>

Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:59:36 +0000

To:  "csound@lists.bath.ac.uk" <csound@lists.bath.ac.uk>

Subject:  sonification

This is cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQJfQXGbWQ4

Peiman

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________________________________________________

Dr David Worrall.

- Experimental Polymedia:   worrall.avatar.com.au

- Sonification: www.sonification.com.au

- Education for Financial Independence: www.mindthemarkets.com.au

________________________________________________

Dr David Worrall.

- Experimental Polymedia:   worrall.avatar.com.au

- Sonification: www.sonification.com.au

- Education for Financial Independence: www.mindthemarkets.com.au

Mark is a Csounder for sure.  And a really great one at that.

He and Pennycook and Glass did that work in Csound back then.

They have a DVD chapter in The Csound Book and Mark was one of 

The Maine reviewers and readers of The Audio Programming Book.

Wish he had done this great  work in Csound instead of SuperCollider.

Maybe as he continues this project he can be bright back from the Dark Side.

Sent from my iPad.

On Dec 13, 2011, at 11:29 PM, DavidW <vip@avatar.com.au> wrote:

On 14/12/2011, at 6:22 AM, Egor Sanin wrote:

He's a great speaker, but sonification of data is older than 2005.

Of course he didn't say or imply that it was.

In fact, he is one author of the  paper Sonification of Heart Rate Variability Data (2000) along with 

Bruce Pennycook & Leon Glass

David

Thanks for the heads-up, interesting talk.

On 12/13/11, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote:

Despite the new age mambo jumbo!

P

From:  Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com>

Date:  Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:59:36 +0000

To:  "csound@lists.bath.ac.uk" <csound@lists.bath.ac.uk>

Subject:  sonification

This is cool.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aQJfQXGbWQ4

Peiman

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- Sonification: www.sonification.com.au

- Education for Financial Independence: www.mindthemarkets.com.au

________________________________________________

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- Experimental Polymedia:   worrall.avatar.com.au

- Sonification: www.sonification.com.au

- Education for Financial Independence: www.mindthemarkets.com.au

Csound of course! (And CDP here and there; don't know how to program in 
SuperCollider...). It is all extremely simple code (aimed at schools), 
but sometimes extremely high note density, a bit like doing granular 
synthesis grain by grain.

I will be publishing some resources and sounds online soon-ish.

Richard Dobson



On 14/12/2011 04:46, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
..
> Hopefully Richard Dobson is sonifying his atomic collisions with Csound
> or does he collide with SuperCollider?
>
> I shudder to think.
>


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Do you script the score writing?
On 14 Dec 2011, at 09:38, Richard Dobson wrote:

> Csound of course! (And CDP here and there; don't know how to program in SuperCollider...). It is all extremely simple code (aimed at schools), but sometimes extremely high note density, a bit like doing granular synthesis grain by grain.
> 
> I will be publishing some resources and sounds online soon-ish.
> 
> Richard Dobson
> 
> 
> 
> On 14/12/2011 04:46, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
> ..
>> Hopefully Richard Dobson is sonifying his atomic collisions with Csound
>> or does he collide with SuperCollider?
>> 
>> I shudder to think.
>> 
> 
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NUI Maynooth Ireland
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By way of amplification: I should add that I do pre-process the raw data 
externally in various ways (some of the data files, all text, have some 
semi-formal formatting, and I have introduced more formal formatting of 
my own to incorporate some metadata) before constructing a score. This 
can be done entirely within a general-purpose language such as 
SuperCollider, as it has a full repertoire of generic file reading and 
writing functions (SC ~is~ a good single-tool fit to the task, it has to 
be said), or by means of external tools (e.g. Perl) in a more modular 
approach. Python and its kin  would also be entirely reasonable and 
appropriate tools to use. I have also made a start on a simple GUI app 
using wxWidgets, which reads a multi-column data file and outputs a csd 
file. My colleague Archer Endrich has developed an app in tcltk, also 
outputting Csound files, following a complementary approach.  I am in 
the process of documenting all this prior to web release.

A key aspect of our funded sonification project was outreach into 
schools. The full subject is too big to discuss here just now, but there 
is a relatively new UK initiative called "Computing At School"**, to 
help establish programming as a core curriculum subject in schools 
(believe it or not, it has never been a mandated part of the ICT 
curriculum hitherto, it has all been word processing, spreadsheets and 
waffle), and I hope to contribute something to this in time. The UK 
government has, at long last, recognised that this is really rather 
important.

I see Csound as a very good and accessible fit to the task of providing 
an engaging programming curriculum; more generally, the domain of audio 
programming in general. Instead of calculating the height of trees, you 
get to make a piece, a sound, or a pattern.  There may be scope for the 
design of training languages specific to music and audio, at various 
levels of difficulty, with Csound and, yes, SuperCollider too, at the 
higher levels.

Of course the Audio Programming Book feeds into this too; I have an 
interest in finding/defining a really simple (LOGO-like?) music 
language, maybe graphics-based if necessary, with the essential elements 
of computing (iteration, decision making, selection and comparison, etc) 
that could be introduced at primary level (say, age 8 upwards). I 
wouldn't go so far as to advocate the revival of BASIC, but it has to be 
said that the era of the BBC Micro was something of a golden age for 
computing in schools in the UK.


Richard Dobson

** http://www.computingatschool.org.uk



On 14/12/2011 09:38, Richard Dobson wrote:
> Csound of course! (And CDP here and there; don't know how to program in
> SuperCollider...). It is all extremely simple code (aimed at schools),
> but sometimes extremely high note density, a bit like doing granular
> synthesis grain by grain.
>
> I will be publishing some resources and sounds online soon-ish.
>
> Richard Dobson
>
>
>
> On 14/12/2011 04:46, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
> ..
>> Hopefully Richard Dobson is sonifying his atomic collisions with Csound
>> or does he collide with SuperCollider?
>>
>> I shudder to think.
>>
>
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On 15/12/2011 20:09, DavidW wrote:
>
...
> ...
> I've worked in both - in fact I had input into SC1 - and I have been
> involved in the Auditory Display/Data Sonification community a bit.

Something of an understatement there! One of these days (when funding 
enables...) I hope to get to one of the ICAD conferences, and maybe even 
present a little paper describing our LHCsound activities. High time it 
was held in the UK again.


..
> Actually, for my $s, the issue for sonification is not so much which
> synthesis engine (SC, CS etc) but how to get algorithmic access to it
> and the constraints that that choice places on the data sonifier.
> Bearing this in mind, CS is the clear winner, because of its openness to
> an API approach (in my case w. Python) which lends itself to the
> inclusion of all sorts of other 3rd party tools developed AND
> maintained) not traditionally needed for music-making.
>


Yes indeed; Python is one of the languages identified by the Computers 
At School team (they are otherwise doing a lot in Java, and also list 
Visual Basic :-( ); and the combination of Python and Csound could be an 
excellent vehicle for incorporating sound and music programming into the 
curriculum somewhere.

Richard Dobson


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