Greetings,

Just a quick note to point out that this:

http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/cecilia/

lands the reader on the Cabbage description. In fact, as far as I can 
tell there is no page regarding Cecilia in the FLOSS manual. Am I wrong ?

Best,

dp

hi dave -

this is true. the reason is that when we started the csound floss manual 
(i think it was in the late 1890s) we planned a cecilia chapter. that's 
why it is there.

shortly after, it turned out that cecilia no longer used csound as audio 
engine. so we renamed the chapter to cover the new and wonderful cabbage 
frontend.

you may ask why we did not delete the cecilia chapter. this is one of 
the limitations so far on the flossmanuals platform, that you cannot 
delete a chapter at all. the good thing is that a normal user will not 
see anything if looking on the sidebar at 
http://en.flossmanuals.net/csound/index/. but it is indeed a little bit 
misleading.

all best -
	joachim


Am 20.08.2014 um 14:12 schrieb Dave Phillips:
> Greetings,
>
> Just a quick note to point out that this:
>
> http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/cecilia/
>
> lands the reader on the Cabbage description. In fact, as far as I can
> tell there is no page regarding Cecilia in the FLOSS manual. Am I wrong ?
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to
>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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> csound"
>
>
>
>

Cecilia seems to be here now, as Cecilia4, 
https://code.google.com/p/cecilia4/ 


I have quite missed Cecilia, as I have never managed to 
get this re-written/Python version working reliably.

If anyone cares to take it for a spin, then feedback to 
this list on how it is working now would be much appreciated.




On Wed, 2014-08-20 at 08:12 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Just a quick note to point out that this:
> 
> http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/cecilia/
> 
> lands the reader on the Cabbage description. In fact, as far as I can 
> tell there is no page regarding Cecilia in the FLOSS manual. Am I wrong ?
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to
>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 
> 
> 

On 08/21/2014 01:26 AM, adam wrote:
> Cecilia seems to be here now, as Cecilia4,
> https://code.google.com/p/cecilia4/

It's now Cecilia 5 and it's here

http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/cecilia/

Works here in brief tests with Cs6 on Fedora 19 x86_64 with Planet CCRMA 
extensions.

Best,

dp


>
> I have quite missed Cecilia, as I have never managed to
> get this re-written/Python version working reliably.
>
> If anyone cares to take it for a spin, then feedback to
> this list on how it is working now would be much appreciated.
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, 2014-08-20 at 08:12 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Just a quick note to point out that this:
>>
>> http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/cecilia/
>>
>> lands the reader on the Cabbage description. In fact, as far as I can
>> tell there is no page regarding Cecilia in the FLOSS manual. Am I wrong ?
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to
>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to
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>
>
>

But it doesn’t use Csound at all anymore, AFAIK.
========================
Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
NUI Maynooth, Ireland
victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie




On 21 Aug 2014, at 10:50, Dave Phillips  wrote:

> 
> On 08/21/2014 01:26 AM, adam wrote:
>> Cecilia seems to be here now, as Cecilia4,
>> https://code.google.com/p/cecilia4/
> 
> It's now Cecilia 5 and it's here
> 
> http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/cecilia/
> 
> Works here in brief tests with Cs6 on Fedora 19 x86_64 with Planet CCRMA extensions.
> 
> Best,
> 
> dp
> 
> 
>> 
>> I have quite missed Cecilia, as I have never managed to
>> get this re-written/Python version working reliably.
>> 
>> If anyone cares to take it for a spin, then feedback to
>> this list on how it is working now would be much appreciated.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Wed, 2014-08-20 at 08:12 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>> Greetings,
>>> 
>>> Just a quick note to point out that this:
>>> 
>>> http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/cecilia/
>>> 
>>> lands the reader on the Cabbage description. In fact, as far as I can
>>> tell there is no page regarding Cecilia in the FLOSS manual. Am I wrong ?
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> 
>>> dp
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>         https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Send bugs reports to
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to
>       https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
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On 08/21/2014 06:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> But it doesn’t use Csound at all anymore, AFAIK.

So it seems. Well, no wonder Cs6 didn't cause any problems for it. :)

It uses the Pyo module for its DSP work now.

Best,

dp


> ========================
> Dr Victor Lazzarini
> Senior Lecturer
> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>
>
>
>
> On 21 Aug 2014, at 10:50, Dave Phillips  wrote:
>
>> On 08/21/2014 01:26 AM, adam wrote:
>>> Cecilia seems to be here now, as Cecilia4,
>>> https://code.google.com/p/cecilia4/
>> It's now Cecilia 5 and it's here
>>
>> http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/cecilia/
>>
>> Works here in brief tests with Cs6 on Fedora 19 x86_64 with Planet CCRMA extensions.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>>
>>> I have quite missed Cecilia, as I have never managed to
>>> get this re-written/Python version working reliably.
>>>
>>> If anyone cares to take it for a spin, then feedback to
>>> this list on how it is working now would be much appreciated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 2014-08-20 at 08:12 -0400, Dave Phillips wrote:
>>>> Greetings,
>>>>
>>>> Just a quick note to point out that this:
>>>>
>>>> http://booki.flossmanuals.net/csound/cecilia/
>>>>
>>>> lands the reader on the Cabbage description. In fact, as far as I can
>>>> tell there is no page regarding Cecilia in the FLOSS manual. Am I wrong ?
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>>
>>>> dp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to
>>>>          https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to
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>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to
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>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
>
>
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>
>
>
>

Seeing the Cecilia5 site's insistence that its software
"uses Csound...", I can't help wonder why those folks
wouldn't avoid a flat lie, if only for reputation's sake.
Guess I'm (still) naive.

P


Dave Phillips wrote:
>
> On 08/21/2014 06:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> But it doesn’t use Csound at all anymore, AFAIK.
>
> So it seems. Well, no wonder Cs6 didn't cause any problems for it. :)
>
> It uses the Pyo module for its DSP work now.
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>> ========================
>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>> Senior Lecturer
>> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
>> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>>
>> On 21 Aug 2014, at 10:50, Dave Phillips  wrote:
>>
>>> On 08/21/2014 01:26 AM, adam wrote:
>>>> Cecilia seems to be here now, as Cecilia4,
>>>> https://code.google.com/p/cecilia4/
>>> It's now Cecilia 5 and it's here
>>>
>>> http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/cecilia/

On 08/21/2014 08:33 AM, PMA wrote:
> Seeing the Cecilia5 site's insistence that its software
> "uses Csound...", I can't help wonder why those folks
> wouldn't avoid a flat lie, if only for reputation's sake.
> Guess I'm (still) naive.
>
> P
>

I'm looking at the Ajax Sound Studio site and the Google code page. I 
see no such claims. I do see this at Google code :

"Previously written in tcl/tk, Cecilia (version 4, deprecated) was 
entirely rewritten in Python/wxPython and uses the Csound API for 
communicating between the interface and the audio engine. Version 4.2 is 
the final release of version 4.

Cecilia5 now uses the pyo audio engine created for the Python 
programming language. pyo allows a much more powerfull integration of 
the audio engine to the graphical interface. Since it's a standard 
python module, there is no need to use an API to communicate with the 
interface."

Best,

dp






>
> Dave Phillips wrote:
>>
>> On 08/21/2014 06:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> But it doesn’t use Csound at all anymore, AFAIK.
>>
>> So it seems. Well, no wonder Cs6 didn't cause any problems for it. :)
>>
>> It uses the Pyo module for its DSP work now.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>>> ========================
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
>>> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>>>
>>> On 21 Aug 2014, at 10:50, Dave Phillips  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/21/2014 01:26 AM, adam wrote:
>>>>> Cecilia seems to be here now, as Cecilia4,
>>>>> https://code.google.com/p/cecilia4/
>>>> It's now Cecilia 5 and it's here
>>>>
>>>> http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/cecilia/
>
>
> Send bugs reports to
>        https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
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> "unsubscribe csound"
>
>
>
>

Oops, what I saw was on the Cecilia_4_ site.  Sorry.

PMA wrote:
> Seeing the Cecilia5 site's insistence that its software
> "uses Csound...", I can't help wonder why those folks
> wouldn't avoid a flat lie, if only for reputation's sake.
> Guess I'm (still) naive.
>
> P
>
>
> Dave Phillips wrote:
>>
>> On 08/21/2014 06:50 AM, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>>> But it doesn’t use Csound at all anymore, AFAIK.
>>
>> So it seems. Well, no wonder Cs6 didn't cause any problems for it. :)
>>
>> It uses the Pyo module for its DSP work now.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>>> ========================
>>> Dr Victor Lazzarini
>>> Senior Lecturer
>>> NUI Maynooth, Ireland
>>> victor dot lazzarini at nuim dot ie
>>>
>>> On 21 Aug 2014, at 10:50, Dave Phillips  wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 08/21/2014 01:26 AM, adam wrote:
>>>>> Cecilia seems to be here now, as Cecilia4,
>>>>> https://code.google.com/p/cecilia4/
>>>> It's now Cecilia 5 and it's here
>>>>
>>>> http://ajaxsoundstudio.com/software/cecilia/
>
>
> Send bugs reports to
> https://github.com/csound/csound/issues
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"

Dave Phillips wrote:
>
> On 08/21/2014 08:33 AM, PMA wrote:
>> Seeing the Cecilia5 site's insistence that its software
>> "uses Csound...", I can't help wonder why those folks
>> wouldn't avoid a flat lie, if only for reputation's sake.
>> Guess I'm (still) naive.
>>
>> P
>>
>
> I'm looking at the Ajax Sound Studio site and the Google code page. I
> see no such claims.  ....

Yes, I just realized this (see last email).
Thanks for the overview.

P