OK, now that I've graduated, I'm ready to get back into looking at
CSound and trying to do some composition.

I'm on Ubuntu, and I'm not particularly interested in real-time
performance oriented stuff, although I do want to be able to review
passages and tweak them while they're playing. There are MIDI-oriented
sequencers out there, notably Rosegarden, that do the kind of thing I
want, but I'm hoping to avoid using MIDI altogether, especially since
the remapping of note numbers for microtonal composition add
confusion.

I've figured out blue's microtonal piano roll soundobject, and it's
promising, but missing two features I reallyreallyreally want:

*) A progress bar to sweep across the roll when auditioning, like the
one that sweeps across the score timeline, and

*) A way to easily adjust individual note volumes (or other
parameters, besides pitch).

Although I haven't used Rosegarden, from the screenshot of their piano
roll (http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/rg-matrixview.png), it
appears that note velocity is adjustable using vertical bars at the
bottom of the pane. The bottom pane is a tabbed interface, and I don't
know what purpose it really serves in the MIDI world, but it looks
like a great interface for a CSound piano roll, as there could be a
tab for every parameter besides pitch the instrument has.

How easily could this functionality be added to blue? I'm not opposed
to writing some code, and I have done Java development before, but
it's not my favorite language and I haven't really done any GUI stuff
-- it's all been web programming.

Are there any other projects which come close to having what I want?

Or maybe I should start working on my own from scratch?

Forrest


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> Are there any other projects which come close to having what I want?

muO provides a microtonal musical phrase editor, see attachment: the 
green rectangles are handles allowing to grab a note and move it, or 
change its duration and volume. The red rectangles are a selection of 
notes. Besides direct manipulation, all notes can be accessed and 
modified via scripting.

There is no sweeping progress bar though...

Stef


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Hi Forrest,

I've had it in mind to add both features but I've been prioritizing
work on MIDI input as of late, so am not sure I'd have much time to
look at it soon. If you're interested to take a try at it, I can
direct you to the relevant files that would need modification. As for
difficulty, since most of your experience is in web programming, I
imagine it may take some work to learn GUI programming in general as
well as the Swing library in specific.

If you would, please add a couple of Requests for Enhancements on the
blue site. I've been extremely busy with some personal projects but
they are coming to a close soon, and I'd like to take a quick look at
these to evaluate what is required to complete them.

Thanks!
Steven

On 5/12/10, Forrest Cahoon  wrote:
> OK, now that I've graduated, I'm ready to get back into looking at
> CSound and trying to do some composition.
>
> I'm on Ubuntu, and I'm not particularly interested in real-time
> performance oriented stuff, although I do want to be able to review
> passages and tweak them while they're playing. There are MIDI-oriented
> sequencers out there, notably Rosegarden, that do the kind of thing I
> want, but I'm hoping to avoid using MIDI altogether, especially since
> the remapping of note numbers for microtonal composition add
> confusion.
>
> I've figured out blue's microtonal piano roll soundobject, and it's
> promising, but missing two features I reallyreallyreally want:
>
> *) A progress bar to sweep across the roll when auditioning, like the
> one that sweeps across the score timeline, and
>
> *) A way to easily adjust individual note volumes (or other
> parameters, besides pitch).
>
> Although I haven't used Rosegarden, from the screenshot of their piano
> roll (http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/rg-matrixview.png), it
> appears that note velocity is adjustable using vertical bars at the
> bottom of the pane. The bottom pane is a tabbed interface, and I don't
> know what purpose it really serves in the MIDI world, but it looks
> like a great interface for a CSound piano roll, as there could be a
> tab for every parameter besides pitch the instrument has.
>
> How easily could this functionality be added to blue? I'm not opposed
> to writing some code, and I have done Java development before, but
> it's not my favorite language and I haven't really done any GUI stuff
> -- it's all been web programming.
>
> Are there any other projects which come close to having what I want?
>
> Or maybe I should start working on my own from scratch?
>
> Forrest
>
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Steven Yi wrote:
> I've had it in mind to add both features...

Vote++ for the tracking cursor in any track-oriented display, microtonal 
or otherwise.

Best,

dp



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Hm... maybe I'll re-prioritize my work then and take a look at that.
It's going to take me a little time to work through the MIDI recording
feature, so I think I'll just release 2.1.0 soon that has the live
MIDI note-on/note-off playing in it, and will work on other
enhancements/bugs for a while.  That'll give time to get feedback on
the MIDI work that's already done as well as look at some of the other
things.

(Sidenote: I think the time cursor may be simpler to implement than I
first thought, so maybe I can get it into 2.1.0 as well).

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Dave Phillips  wrote:
> Steven Yi wrote:
>>
>> I've had it in mind to add both features...
>
> Vote++ for the tracking cursor in any track-oriented display, microtonal or
> otherwise.
>
> Best,
>
> dp
>
>
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FWIW, I'm not planning to use MIDI input, but rather use the mouse to
place notes on the roll. But I understand if in the code those two are
inextricably linked.

Forrest

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Steven Yi  wrote:
> Hm... maybe I'll re-prioritize my work then and take a look at that.
> It's going to take me a little time to work through the MIDI recording
> feature, so I think I'll just release 2.1.0 soon that has the live
> MIDI note-on/note-off playing in it, and will work on other
> enhancements/bugs for a while.  That'll give time to get feedback on
> the MIDI work that's already done as well as look at some of the other
> things.
>
> (Sidenote: I think the time cursor may be simpler to implement than I
> first thought, so maybe I can get it into 2.1.0 as well).
>
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 7:35 AM, Dave Phillips  wrote:
>> Steven Yi wrote:
>>>
>>> I've had it in mind to add both features...
>>
>> Vote++ for the tracking cursor in any track-oriented display, microtonal or
>> otherwise.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> dp
>>
>>
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Chuckk -- Rationale looks _very_ cool from the tutorial you posted.

It looks like it's going to be a few days before I get my computer set
back up to really try it out, so no need to post a new version just
yet. If it's in a particularly stable state you might want to,
otherwise I'll just check out the version in source control when I'm
set up here.

Forrest

On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 1:20 PM, Chuckk Hubbard
 wrote:
> My Rationale is a sequencer for extended just intonation (tempered tunings
> aren't on the to-do list for now). It has visual representation of volume,
> but in increments of about 6 dB. Although what you do with that number is up
> to you; it just has 6 degrees of difference before you see the difference on
> the screen. Output is through Csound, OSC, or loaded soundfont. It also has
> a visual bar that tracks across the score as well as a scrub mode where you
> can audition notes on the fly with the mouse.
> If that's what you're interested in, let me know so I can post the latest
> update, which I've been delaying for MIDI support.
>
> -Chuckk
>
>
> On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 8:48 PM, Forrest Cahoon 
> wrote:
>>
>> OK, now that I've graduated, I'm ready to get back into looking at
>> CSound and trying to do some composition.
>>
>> I'm on Ubuntu, and I'm not particularly interested in real-time
>> performance oriented stuff, although I do want to be able to review
>> passages and tweak them while they're playing. There are MIDI-oriented
>> sequencers out there, notably Rosegarden, that do the kind of thing I
>> want, but I'm hoping to avoid using MIDI altogether, especially since
>> the remapping of note numbers for microtonal composition add
>> confusion.
>>
>> I've figured out blue's microtonal piano roll soundobject, and it's
>> promising, but missing two features I reallyreallyreally want:
>>
>> *) A progress bar to sweep across the roll when auditioning, like the
>> one that sweeps across the score timeline, and
>>
>> *) A way to easily adjust individual note volumes (or other
>> parameters, besides pitch).
>>
>> Although I haven't used Rosegarden, from the screenshot of their piano
>> roll (http://www.rosegardenmusic.com/doc/en/rg-matrixview.png), it
>> appears that note velocity is adjustable using vertical bars at the
>> bottom of the pane. The bottom pane is a tabbed interface, and I don't
>> know what purpose it really serves in the MIDI world, but it looks
>> like a great interface for a CSound piano roll, as there could be a
>> tab for every parameter besides pitch the instrument has.
>>
>> How easily could this functionality be added to blue? I'm not opposed
>> to writing some code, and I have done Java development before, but
>> it's not my favorite language and I haven't really done any GUI stuff
>> -- it's all been web programming.
>>
>> Are there any other projects which come close to having what I want?
>>
>> Or maybe I should start working on my own from scratch?
>>
>> Forrest
>>
>>
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