Hi.

Peiman wrote:
> I don't suppose a Midi file can actually save fractional value?

Richard Dobson wrote:
> in writing any MIDI file you have no control at all over what the
> synth does. All you can specify is a dimensionless percentage pitchbend
> up or down. Different patches on the same synth may set a different
> pitch bend range. So it can only be meaningful at all if you are
> targetting both a specific synth and a specific patch setting
> (in which case, ~maybe~ you can include some custom SysEx data).

It's not quite so dire: there is a Registered Parameter (number 0)
which sets the pitch-bend range; default is -2..+2 semitones.
  http://www.pjb.com.au/muscript/gm.html#cc
  To set a Registered Parameter, first send controllers 101 and 100 with
  the required Number, then send controllers 6 and 38 with the two bytes
  of data, then send controllers 101 and 100 with the numbers 127.
  Some useful Registered Parameters are:
  Pitch Bend Sensitivity:
    cc101=0, cc100=0, cc6=0..24 semitones, cc38=0, cc101=127, cc100=127 

Midi is not a natural medium for microtonal work (the pitch-wheel
works at the whole-of-channel level not at the note-level;
you can slide around one pitch, but not from one pitch to another
(except by portamento: cc=5,37,65,84);  -8192 to 8191 is not
smooth enough for sliding across a large frequency-range, etc.)

Peiman wrote:
> how do I export microtonal data out of Csound to Sibelius?

The question "why" is off-topic, but it's probably the key...

Regards,  Peter Billam

http://www.pjb.com.au      pj@pjb.com.au     (03) 6278 9410
"Follow the charge, not the particle."  --  Richard Feynman
 from The Theory of Positrons, Physical Review, 1949

On 21/10/2012 00:51, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
> Hi.
>
> Peiman wrote:
>> I don't suppose a Midi file can actually save fractional value?
>
> Richard Dobson wrote:
>> in writing any MIDI file you have no control at all over what the
>> synth does. All you can specify is a dimensionless percentage pitchbend
>> up or down. Different patches on the same synth may set a different
>> pitch bend range. So it can only be meaningful at all if you are
>> targetting both a specific synth and a specific patch setting
>> (in which case, ~maybe~ you can include some custom SysEx data).
>
> It's not quite so dire: there is a Registered Parameter (number 0)
> which sets the pitch-bend range; default is -2..+2 semitones.
>    http://www.pjb.com.au/muscript/gm.html#cc


That's a good point - I had completely forgotten about RPNs (perhaps 
because as your example shows they are relatively clunky to program). 
The restriction to a mono stream per channel remains; and unless that 
channel is set to mono mode as well, there will still be problems when 
notes overlap (e.g given a long release stage), so that it is still not 
an entirely practical solution.

Interestingly, there does appear to be a relatively recent addition 
called the MIDI Tuning Standard; targetted primarily at alternative 
temperaments, but it looks as if it can be defined per-note over the 
whole range:

http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php

Unsurprisingly, it involves SysEx. It also remains to be seen how widely 
this is supported.

It would be easier to keep up to date with MIDI if one did not have to 
pay a non-trivial amount of real money to buy the official spec!

Richard Dobson

Agreed the MIDI spec is not "cheap". But if you're seriously into the bits 
and bytes of MIDI, it is worth it. The detailed spec you might get away 
without. The midi file spec though, is invaluable if you plan to manipulate 
the files yourself.

The documents do have a long lifespan, I bought mine in 1990, and they're 
still relevant. The www.midi.org site publishes the updates to the spec, so 
I keep up quite easily, and for free.

All the best,

Jacques

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Richard Dobson" 
To: 
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Csnd] microtonal midi question


> On 21/10/2012 00:51, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
...
>
> http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php
>
> Unsurprisingly, it involves SysEx. It also remains to be seen how widely 
> this is supported.
>
> It would be easier to keep up to date with MIDI if one did not have to pay 
> a non-trivial amount of real money to buy the official spec!
>
> Richard Dobson
>
>
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe 
> csound"
> 

On 21/10/2012 11:31, peiman khosravi wrote:
> Thank you. Actually I'm not bothered about playing back the midi data.
> What I would like is automatic conversion of a bunch of spectral
> structures to notated chords, approximated to the nearest eighth tone.
>
> I could probably used PWGL or openmusic but I don't want to complicate
> things. It doesn't have to be Sibelius either. But what's important is
> for the microtonal accidentals to show in Sibelius (I assume using pitch
> bend won't do this?).
>

I have no idea about Sibelius, but if that doesn't work, you may be able 
to do it using Lime:

http://www.cerlsoundgroup.org/main.html

Read the manual and look for the description of "Special Accidentals", 
including how to set up Lime to play them, via mono pitchbend. You can 
draw and import your own symbols too if necessary.

NB: the Mac version is PowerPC only, so you will likely need Rosetta 
installed (or use it on an old PPC machine you were wondering what to do 
with).  With the days of Sibelius possibly numbered, maybe CERL can be 
persuaded to produce an update to Lime?

Richard Dobson

Hi,

If what you need is notation, have a look at adjab it's a python interface for millions Lillypond.

Cheers,
Andres

Lilypond supports the addition of arbitrary glyphs, there are examples
online of creating custom microtonal notations for lilypond, using
scheme code.

On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM, peiman khosravi
 wrote:
> Thanks Andres,
>
> Today I found out that both Lillypond and musicXML (right?) only support 1/4
> tones (I need 8th). This pretty much rules everything out. So I'm stuck with
> OM.
>
> Cheers,
> Peiman
>
>
> On 21 October 2012 19:34, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> If what you need is notation, have a look at adjab it's a python interface
>> for millions Lillypond.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Andres
>>
>> On Oct 21, 2012 3:31 AM, "peiman khosravi" 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Thank you. Actually I'm not bothered about playing back the midi data.
>>> What I would like is automatic conversion of a bunch of spectral structures
>>> to notated chords, approximated to the nearest eighth tone.
>>>
>>> I could probably used PWGL or openmusic but I don't want to complicate
>>> things. It doesn't have to be Sibelius either. But what's important is for
>>> the microtonal accidentals to show in Sibelius (I assume using pitch bend
>>> won't do this?).
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Peiman
>>>
>>> On 21 October 2012 11:22, Richard Dobson 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 21/10/2012 00:51, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>
>>>>> Peiman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't suppose a Midi file can actually save fractional value?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Dobson wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> in writing any MIDI file you have no control at all over what the
>>>>>> synth does. All you can specify is a dimensionless percentage
>>>>>> pitchbend
>>>>>> up or down. Different patches on the same synth may set a different
>>>>>> pitch bend range. So it can only be meaningful at all if you are
>>>>>> targetting both a specific synth and a specific patch setting
>>>>>> (in which case, ~maybe~ you can include some custom SysEx data).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's not quite so dire: there is a Registered Parameter (number 0)
>>>>> which sets the pitch-bend range; default is -2..+2 semitones.
>>>>>    http://www.pjb.com.au/muscript/gm.html#cc
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That's a good point - I had completely forgotten about RPNs (perhaps
>>>> because as your example shows they are relatively clunky to program). The
>>>> restriction to a mono stream per channel remains; and unless that channel is
>>>> set to mono mode as well, there will still be problems when notes overlap
>>>> (e.g given a long release stage), so that it is still not an entirely
>>>> practical solution.
>>>>
>>>> Interestingly, there does appear to be a relatively recent addition
>>>> called the MIDI Tuning Standard; targetted primarily at alternative
>>>> temperaments, but it looks as if it can be defined per-note over the whole
>>>> range:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php
>>>>
>>>> Unsurprisingly, it involves SysEx. It also remains to be seen how widely
>>>> this is supported.
>>>>
>>>> It would be easier to keep up to date with MIDI if one did not have to
>>>> pay a non-trivial amount of real money to buy the official spec!
>>>>
>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>
>

What's OM?

On 10/21/12, Justin Smith  wrote:
> Lilypond supports the addition of arbitrary glyphs, there are examples
> online of creating custom microtonal notations for lilypond, using
> scheme code.
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM, peiman khosravi
>  wrote:
>> Thanks Andres,
>>
>> Today I found out that both Lillypond and musicXML (right?) only support
>> 1/4
>> tones (I need 8th). This pretty much rules everything out. So I'm stuck
>> with
>> OM.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>> On 21 October 2012 19:34, Andres Cabrera  wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If what you need is notation, have a look at adjab it's a python
>>> interface
>>> for millions Lillypond.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andres
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2012 3:31 AM, "peiman khosravi" 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Actually I'm not bothered about playing back the midi data.
>>>> What I would like is automatic conversion of a bunch of spectral
>>>> structures
>>>> to notated chords, approximated to the nearest eighth tone.
>>>>
>>>> I could probably used PWGL or openmusic but I don't want to complicate
>>>> things. It doesn't have to be Sibelius either. But what's important is
>>>> for
>>>> the microtonal accidentals to show in Sibelius (I assume using pitch
>>>> bend
>>>> won't do this?).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 21 October 2012 11:22, Richard Dobson
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/10/2012 00:51, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't suppose a Midi file can actually save fractional value?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Dobson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in writing any MIDI file you have no control at all over what the
>>>>>>> synth does. All you can specify is a dimensionless percentage
>>>>>>> pitchbend
>>>>>>> up or down. Different patches on the same synth may set a different
>>>>>>> pitch bend range. So it can only be meaningful at all if you are
>>>>>>> targetting both a specific synth and a specific patch setting
>>>>>>> (in which case, ~maybe~ you can include some custom SysEx data).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not quite so dire: there is a Registered Parameter (number 0)
>>>>>> which sets the pitch-bend range; default is -2..+2 semitones.
>>>>>>    http://www.pjb.com.au/muscript/gm.html#cc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a good point - I had completely forgotten about RPNs (perhaps
>>>>> because as your example shows they are relatively clunky to program).
>>>>> The
>>>>> restriction to a mono stream per channel remains; and unless that
>>>>> channel is
>>>>> set to mono mode as well, there will still be problems when notes
>>>>> overlap
>>>>> (e.g given a long release stage), so that it is still not an entirely
>>>>> practical solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly, there does appear to be a relatively recent addition
>>>>> called the MIDI Tuning Standard; targetted primarily at alternative
>>>>> temperaments, but it looks as if it can be defined per-note over the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> range:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsurprisingly, it involves SysEx. It also remains to be seen how
>>>>> widely
>>>>> this is supported.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be easier to keep up to date with MIDI if one did not have to
>>>>> pay a non-trivial amount of real money to buy the official spec!
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
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>

Thanks Justin,

I'm definitely going to check that out. 

Adam, OM = openMusic from IRCAM. It has an ugly score editor too. 

Best,

P 

On 21 October 2012 20:19, Adam Puckett <adotsdothmusic@gmail.com> wrote:

What's OM?

On 10/21/12, Justin Smith <noisesmith@gmail.com> wrote:
> Lilypond supports the addition of arbitrary glyphs, there are examples
> online of creating custom microtonal notations for lilypond, using
> scheme code.
>
> On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM, peiman khosravi
> <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Thanks Andres,
>>
>> Today I found out that both Lillypond and musicXML (right?) only support
>> 1/4
>> tones (I need 8th). This pretty much rules everything out. So I'm stuck
>> with
>> OM.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peiman
>>
>>
>> On 21 October 2012 19:34, Andres Cabrera <mantaraya36@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> If what you need is notation, have a look at adjab it's a python
>>> interface
>>> for millions Lillypond.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Andres
>>>
>>> On Oct 21, 2012 3:31 AM, "peiman khosravi" <peimankhosravi@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Thank you. Actually I'm not bothered about playing back the midi data.
>>>> What I would like is automatic conversion of a bunch of spectral
>>>> structures
>>>> to notated chords, approximated to the nearest eighth tone.
>>>>
>>>> I could probably used PWGL or openmusic but I don't want to complicate
>>>> things. It doesn't have to be Sibelius either. But what's important is
>>>> for
>>>> the microtonal accidentals to show in Sibelius (I assume using pitch
>>>> bend
>>>> won't do this?).
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Peiman
>>>>
>>>> On 21 October 2012 11:22, Richard Dobson
>>>> <richarddobson@blueyonder.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> On 21/10/2012 00:51, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peiman wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't suppose a Midi file can actually save fractional value?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Richard Dobson wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> in writing any MIDI file you have no control at all over what the
>>>>>>> synth does. All you can specify is a dimensionless percentage
>>>>>>> pitchbend
>>>>>>> up or down. Different patches on the same synth may set a different
>>>>>>> pitch bend range. So it can only be meaningful at all if you are
>>>>>>> targetting both a specific synth and a specific patch setting
>>>>>>> (in which case, ~maybe~ you can include some custom SysEx data).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not quite so dire: there is a Registered Parameter (number 0)
>>>>>> which sets the pitch-bend range; default is -2..+2 semitones.
>>>>>>    http://www.pjb.com.au/muscript/gm.html#cc
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a good point - I had completely forgotten about RPNs (perhaps
>>>>> because as your example shows they are relatively clunky to program).
>>>>> The
>>>>> restriction to a mono stream per channel remains; and unless that
>>>>> channel is
>>>>> set to mono mode as well, there will still be problems when notes
>>>>> overlap
>>>>> (e.g given a long release stage), so that it is still not an entirely
>>>>> practical solution.
>>>>>
>>>>> Interestingly, there does appear to be a relatively recent addition
>>>>> called the MIDI Tuning Standard; targetted primarily at alternative
>>>>> temperaments, but it looks as if it can be defined per-note over the
>>>>> whole
>>>>> range:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php
>>>>>
>>>>> Unsurprisingly, it involves SysEx. It also remains to be seen how
>>>>> widely
>>>>> this is supported.
>>>>>
>>>>> It would be easier to keep up to date with MIDI if one did not have to
>>>>> pay a non-trivial amount of real money to buy the official spec!
>>>>>
>>>>> Richard Dobson
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>>>>            https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>>> csound"
>>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
>
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Let's not forget Csound itself, which allows frequencies... why not
send the file to an external program that generates Csound scores
based on params?

Just a thought.

On 10/21/12, Dr. Richard Boulanger  wrote:
> There is a nice score editor for MaxMSP maxScore that supports microtones
> including the Pierce Scale
>
> http://www.computermusicnotation.com/
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone.
>
> On Oct 21, 2012, at 3:28 PM, peiman khosravi 
> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Justin,
>>
>> I'm definitely going to check that out.
>>
>> Adam, OM = openMusic from IRCAM. It has an ugly score editor too.
>>
>> Best,
>> P
>>
>> On 21 October 2012 20:19, Adam Puckett  wrote:
>>> What's OM?
>>>
>>> On 10/21/12, Justin Smith  wrote:
>>> > Lilypond supports the addition of arbitrary glyphs, there are examples
>>> > online of creating custom microtonal notations for lilypond, using
>>> > scheme code.
>>> >
>>> > On Sun, Oct 21, 2012 at 12:08 PM, peiman khosravi
>>> >  wrote:
>>> >> Thanks Andres,
>>> >>
>>> >> Today I found out that both Lillypond and musicXML (right?) only
>>> >> support
>>> >> 1/4
>>> >> tones (I need 8th). This pretty much rules everything out. So I'm
>>> >> stuck
>>> >> with
>>> >> OM.
>>> >>
>>> >> Cheers,
>>> >> Peiman
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 21 October 2012 19:34, Andres Cabrera 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Hi,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If what you need is notation, have a look at adjab it's a python
>>> >>> interface
>>> >>> for millions Lillypond.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Cheers,
>>> >>> Andres
>>> >>>
>>> >>> On Oct 21, 2012 3:31 AM, "peiman khosravi" 
>>> >>> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thank you. Actually I'm not bothered about playing back the midi
>>> >>>> data.
>>> >>>> What I would like is automatic conversion of a bunch of spectral
>>> >>>> structures
>>> >>>> to notated chords, approximated to the nearest eighth tone.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> I could probably used PWGL or openmusic but I don't want to
>>> >>>> complicate
>>> >>>> things. It doesn't have to be Sibelius either. But what's important
>>> >>>> is
>>> >>>> for
>>> >>>> the microtonal accidentals to show in Sibelius (I assume using pitch
>>> >>>> bend
>>> >>>> won't do this?).
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Thanks
>>> >>>> Peiman
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> On 21 October 2012 11:22, Richard Dobson
>>> >>>> 
>>> >>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> On 21/10/2012 00:51, pj@pjb.com.au wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Hi.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Peiman wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I don't suppose a Midi file can actually save fractional value?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Richard Dobson wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> in writing any MIDI file you have no control at all over what the
>>> >>>>>>> synth does. All you can specify is a dimensionless percentage
>>> >>>>>>> pitchbend
>>> >>>>>>> up or down. Different patches on the same synth may set a
>>> >>>>>>> different
>>> >>>>>>> pitch bend range. So it can only be meaningful at all if you are
>>> >>>>>>> targetting both a specific synth and a specific patch setting
>>> >>>>>>> (in which case, ~maybe~ you can include some custom SysEx data).
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> It's not quite so dire: there is a Registered Parameter (number 0)
>>> >>>>>> which sets the pitch-bend range; default is -2..+2 semitones.
>>> >>>>>>    http://www.pjb.com.au/muscript/gm.html#cc
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> That's a good point - I had completely forgotten about RPNs
>>> >>>>> (perhaps
>>> >>>>> because as your example shows they are relatively clunky to
>>> >>>>> program).
>>> >>>>> The
>>> >>>>> restriction to a mono stream per channel remains; and unless that
>>> >>>>> channel is
>>> >>>>> set to mono mode as well, there will still be problems when notes
>>> >>>>> overlap
>>> >>>>> (e.g given a long release stage), so that it is still not an
>>> >>>>> entirely
>>> >>>>> practical solution.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Interestingly, there does appear to be a relatively recent addition
>>> >>>>> called the MIDI Tuning Standard; targetted primarily at alternative
>>> >>>>> temperaments, but it looks as if it can be defined per-note over
>>> >>>>> the
>>> >>>>> whole
>>> >>>>> range:
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> http://www.midi.org/techspecs/midituning.php
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Unsurprisingly, it involves SysEx. It also remains to be seen how
>>> >>>>> widely
>>> >>>>> this is supported.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It would be easier to keep up to date with MIDI if one did not have
>>> >>>>> to
>>> >>>>> pay a non-trivial amount of real money to buy the official spec!
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Richard Dobson
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599
>>> >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
>>> >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> >>>>> "unsubscribe
>>> >>>>> csound"
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> >
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