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From: chrisvaisvil@gmail.com

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Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: longevity of software

It may have originated there. It ran on the school mainframe and produced a data tape that was then sent to MIT for D to A conversion.

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From: victor
Date: Tue, 19 May 2009 21:06:35 +0100
To: <csound@lists.bath.ac.uk>
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: longevity of software

I thought this was called MUSIC IV BF (the F for FORTRAN). Was

it not a Princeton thing?

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From: Chris Vaisvil

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Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:55 PM

Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: longevity of software

Was the FORTRAN MUSIC IVB then part of this series?

 

It seems my class was taught on an older piece of software in 1978.

 

Dr. Hanzelin at Throton Community College - which I think he did a heroic theory class for such an institution.

Thanks,

 

Chris Vaisvil

 

(yes I am a new person to the list)

 

 

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger <rboulanger@berklee.edu> wrote:

I can confirm that F.R. Moore's Cmusic was before Csound and that it was written in C and ran on our Vax 1178 minicomputer

I did my PhD there between 80 - 85

I was the Research Assistant at the Center for Music Experiment's (CME) Computer Audio Research Lab (CARL)
where I composed *the first* Cmusic composition - Two Movements in C - it was featured/premiered at the North Texas State University ICMC in 1981.  (I have a Csound version of this piece now - and it is also in The Csound Catalog)

While at CME, we also had a PDP11 in the computer room.  It was there to support Dick Moore's realTime work and
his FRMbox.  Barry Vercoe visited and installed Music11 for me.  (I will run jobs to compare the speed of the two languages
and the two systems - the PDP and the Vax.

It was when I returned to Boston, after completing my PhD, that Barry Invited me back to work with him at the Media Lab
(he had a new music11 for me to try and betatest, in C, - Csound)

-dB

Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 19, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Anthony Kozar wrote:

Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 8:11 AM:

Not strictly true. If I understand the csound history correctly, Csound gets
its name by being the first MUSIC-family member to be written in C. Thus, it
would be a reimplementation. The analogy in the Max family would be PD, which
can't trace back to 1986, since it doesn't share a codebase...

I have seen this notion that Csound was "the first MUSIC-family member to be
written in C" repeated a few times in recent years and it is even in the
manual.  However, other sources make different claims.  Can we figure out
what the truth is and set the record straight?

(I am too young to really know whose claims are correct).

Vercoe's preface to the manual details the lineage of Csound but does not
give a date for Csound.  According to the Introduction section of the Csound
manual:

"[Csound] was originally written by Barry Vercoe at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology in 1984 as the first C language version of this type
of software."

I believe this sentence was added in the last few years and that it is
inaccurate.  According to Curtis Roads (_The_Computer_Music_Tutorial_
789-90) and other sources I have seen, Csound was introduced in 1986.
Additionally, Roads cites the introduction of Music4C in 1985, Cmix in 1984,
and Cmusic in 1980, implying that Csound was not the first such system in C.

I believe that in some of these other early systems, it was necessary to
write the orchestra in C, compile it with the C compiler, and link it to the
runtime library containing the unit generators.  Does anyone know what was
the first Music N system to offer an orchestra language distinct from the
language in which the system was implemented?

Anthony Kozar
mailing-lists-1001 AT anthonykozar DOT net
http://anthonykozar.net/



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