In terms of longevity of usage and width/depth of support plus 
composerly activity, Csound very probably does hold the record, by a 
large margin. Considering just its status as a language, it was preceded 
by CMusic (F.R.Moore, CARL distribution), not exactly widely used, but 
(so I have heard) still used by a dedicated minority (or maybe just 
Moore himself!). There is also CMix of similar vintage, later 
reincarnated as RTCmix, a tightly integrated library of routines, so 
whether it can be called a language is a moot point. The CDP system 
started out (on the Atari ST, mid-80s) with CMusic (still have the 
printed documentation) and (separately) the CARL phase vocoder,  still a 
core element of the CDP system, and which also forms the heart of the 
pvs system in Csound.

I had heard a rumour that Risset was still using MUSIC V until really 
quite recently; I think IRCAM produced various "variants" of MUSIC V, 
and probably Risset was using one of these.

Richard Dobson


victor wrote:
> Just a thought: is it possible that Csound is becoming the
> longest-living computer music language? Released in 1986 is
> now 23 years in service (and long may it live).
> MUSIC V possibly was possibly the longest used software
> from 1969 (?) to the late eighties, but I think by 1992 it
> was probably gone already. Does anyone know?
>  
> Victor

But you have to include the fact that Csound (in 85/86) was previously  
called - music11 in the seventies (as far back as 1977 I believe).  I  
wrote Trapped in 1979 - and I sat and worked every day beside Barry  
Vercoe in his office at MIT's (then new) Media Lab
making sure that all the collected music11 compositions and test orcs  
and scores worked with his newer Csound - especially Trapped.  This  
work was done from (when I completed my PhD @ UC San Diego and moved  
back home to the Boston area) June of 1985 -> September of 1986 when I  
started my full time teaching job at The Berklee College of Music.

I had fun working with Patcher back then too - and I have all that  
code and all that original work - including Risset's Duet for One  
Pianist sketches and master patches (in my collection too).  Treasures.

Dr. B.

Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 19, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:

> El miércoles 13 de mayo, victor escribió:
>> Just a thought: is it possible that Csound is becoming the
>> longest-living computer music language? Released in 1986 is
>> now 23 years in service (and long may it live).
>> MUSIC V possibly was possibly the longest used software
>> from 1969 (?) to the late eighties, but I think by 1992 it
>> was probably gone already. Does anyone know?
>
> Miller Puckette's Patcher was released in 1986 too, so I guess that  
> Max could
> be considered just as old as csound.
> OTOH, Max did not gain DSP capabilities until the late 90s...
>
> Saludos,
> Felipe Sateler

Also,

Some of these very score and orcs are in The Csound Catalog - under  
Risset, Dashow, Vercoe Tests, etc..
That's how I preserved and shared them.

Dr. B.


Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 19, 2009, at 10:53 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:

> But you have to include the fact that Csound (in 85/86) was  
> previously called - music11 in the seventies (as far back as 1977 I  
> believe).  I wrote Trapped in 1979 - and I sat and worked every day  
> beside Barry Vercoe in his office at MIT's (then new) Media Lab
> making sure that all the collected music11 compositions and test  
> orcs and scores worked with his newer Csound - especially Trapped.   
> This work was done from (when I completed my PhD @ UC San Diego and  
> moved back home to the Boston area) June of 1985 -> September of  
> 1986 when I started my full time teaching job at The Berklee College  
> of Music.
>
> I had fun working with Patcher back then too - and I have all that  
> code and all that original work - including Risset's Duet for One  
> Pianist sketches and master patches (in my collection too).   
> Treasures.
>
> Dr. B.
>
> Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 7:54 AM, Felipe Sateler wrote:
>
>> El miércoles 13 de mayo, victor escribió:
>>> Just a thought: is it possible that Csound is becoming the
>>> longest-living computer music language? Released in 1986 is
>>> now 23 years in service (and long may it live).
>>> MUSIC V possibly was possibly the longest used software
>>> from 1969 (?) to the late eighties, but I think by 1992 it
>>> was probably gone already. Does anyone know?
>>
>> Miller Puckette's Patcher was released in 1986 too, so I guess that  
>> Max could
>> be considered just as old as csound.
>> OTOH, Max did not gain DSP capabilities until the late 90s...
>>
>> Saludos,
>> Felipe Sateler
>
>
>
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Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 8:11 AM:

> Not strictly true. If I understand the csound history correctly, Csound gets
> its name by being the first MUSIC-family member to be written in C. Thus, it
> would be a reimplementation. The analogy in the Max family would be PD, which
> can't trace back to 1986, since it doesn't share a codebase...

I have seen this notion that Csound was "the first MUSIC-family member to be
written in C" repeated a few times in recent years and it is even in the
manual.  However, other sources make different claims.  Can we figure out
what the truth is and set the record straight?

(I am too young to really know whose claims are correct).

Vercoe's preface to the manual details the lineage of Csound but does not
give a date for Csound.  According to the Introduction section of the Csound
manual:

"[Csound] was originally written by Barry Vercoe at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology in 1984 as the first C language version of this type
of software."

I believe this sentence was added in the last few years and that it is
inaccurate.  According to Curtis Roads (_The_Computer_Music_Tutorial_
789-90) and other sources I have seen, Csound was introduced in 1986.
Additionally, Roads cites the introduction of Music4C in 1985, Cmix in 1984,
and Cmusic in 1980, implying that Csound was not the first such system in C.

I believe that in some of these other early systems, it was necessary to
write the orchestra in C, compile it with the C compiler, and link it to the
runtime library containing the unit generators.  Does anyone know what was
the first Music N system to offer an orchestra language distinct from the
language in which the system was implemented?

Anthony Kozar
mailing-lists-1001 AT anthonykozar DOT net
http://anthonykozar.net/

I can confirm that F.R. Moore's Cmusic was before Csound and that it  
was written in C and ran on our Vax 1178 minicomputer

I did my PhD there between 80 - 85

I was the Research Assistant at the Center for Music Experiment's  
(CME) Computer Audio Research Lab (CARL)
where I composed *the first* Cmusic composition - Two Movements in C -  
it was featured/premiered at the North Texas State University ICMC in  
1981.  (I have a Csound version of this piece now - and it is also in  
The Csound Catalog)

While at CME, we also had a PDP11 in the computer room.  It was there  
to support Dick Moore's realTime work and
his FRMbox.  Barry Vercoe visited and installed Music11 for me.  (I  
will run jobs to compare the speed of the two languages
and the two systems - the PDP and the Vax.

It was when I returned to Boston, after completing my PhD, that Barry  
Invited me back to work with him at the Media Lab
(he had a new music11 for me to try and betatest, in C, - Csound)

-dB

Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 19, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Anthony Kozar wrote:

> Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 8:11 AM:
>
>> Not strictly true. If I understand the csound history correctly,  
>> Csound gets
>> its name by being the first MUSIC-family member to be written in C.  
>> Thus, it
>> would be a reimplementation. The analogy in the Max family would be  
>> PD, which
>> can't trace back to 1986, since it doesn't share a codebase...
>
> I have seen this notion that Csound was "the first MUSIC-family  
> member to be
> written in C" repeated a few times in recent years and it is even in  
> the
> manual.  However, other sources make different claims.  Can we  
> figure out
> what the truth is and set the record straight?
>
> (I am too young to really know whose claims are correct).
>
> Vercoe's preface to the manual details the lineage of Csound but  
> does not
> give a date for Csound.  According to the Introduction section of  
> the Csound
> manual:
>
> "[Csound] was originally written by Barry Vercoe at the Massachusetts
> Institute of Technology in 1984 as the first C language version of  
> this type
> of software."
>
> I believe this sentence was added in the last few years and that it is
> inaccurate.  According to Curtis Roads (_The_Computer_Music_Tutorial_
> 789-90) and other sources I have seen, Csound was introduced in 1986.
> Additionally, Roads cites the introduction of Music4C in 1985, Cmix  
> in 1984,
> and Cmusic in 1980, implying that Csound was not the first such  
> system in C.
>
> I believe that in some of these other early systems, it was  
> necessary to
> write the orchestra in C, compile it with the C compiler, and link  
> it to the
> runtime library containing the unit generators.  Does anyone know  
> what was
> the first Music N system to offer an orchestra language distinct  
> from the
> language in which the system was implemented?
>
> Anthony Kozar
> mailing-lists-1001 AT anthonykozar DOT net
> http://anthonykozar.net/
>
>
>
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There is - The University of California, San Diego
Dick Moore - was my thesis advisor and my boss (as an RA).

-dB

Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 19, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:

> I can confirm that F.R. Moore's Cmusic was before Csound and that it  
> was written in C and ran on our Vax 1178 minicomputer
>
> I did my PhD there between 80 - 85
>
> I was the Research Assistant at the Center for Music Experiment's  
> (CME) Computer Audio Research Lab (CARL)
> where I composed *the first* Cmusic composition - Two Movements in C  
> - it was featured/premiered at the North Texas State University ICMC  
> in 1981.  (I have a Csound version of this piece now - and it is  
> also in The Csound Catalog)
>
> While at CME, we also had a PDP11 in the computer room.  It was  
> there to support Dick Moore's realTime work and
> his FRMbox.  Barry Vercoe visited and installed Music11 for me.  (I  
> will run jobs to compare the speed of the two languages
> and the two systems - the PDP and the Vax.
>
> It was when I returned to Boston, after completing my PhD, that  
> Barry Invited me back to work with him at the Media Lab
> (he had a new music11 for me to try and betatest, in C, - Csound)
>
> -dB
>
> Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu
>
>
>
> On May 19, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Anthony Kozar wrote:
>
>> Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 8:11 AM:
>>
>>> Not strictly true. If I understand the csound history correctly,  
>>> Csound gets
>>> its name by being the first MUSIC-family member to be written in  
>>> C. Thus, it
>>> would be a reimplementation. The analogy in the Max family would  
>>> be PD, which
>>> can't trace back to 1986, since it doesn't share a codebase...
>>
>> I have seen this notion that Csound was "the first MUSIC-family  
>> member to be
>> written in C" repeated a few times in recent years and it is even  
>> in the
>> manual.  However, other sources make different claims.  Can we  
>> figure out
>> what the truth is and set the record straight?
>>
>> (I am too young to really know whose claims are correct).
>>
>> Vercoe's preface to the manual details the lineage of Csound but  
>> does not
>> give a date for Csound.  According to the Introduction section of  
>> the Csound
>> manual:
>>
>> "[Csound] was originally written by Barry Vercoe at the Massachusetts
>> Institute of Technology in 1984 as the first C language version of  
>> this type
>> of software."
>>
>> I believe this sentence was added in the last few years and that it  
>> is
>> inaccurate.  According to Curtis Roads (_The_Computer_Music_Tutorial_
>> 789-90) and other sources I have seen, Csound was introduced in 1986.
>> Additionally, Roads cites the introduction of Music4C in 1985, Cmix  
>> in 1984,
>> and Cmusic in 1980, implying that Csound was not the first such  
>> system in C.
>>
>> I believe that in some of these other early systems, it was  
>> necessary to
>> write the orchestra in C, compile it with the C compiler, and link  
>> it to the
>> runtime library containing the unit generators.  Does anyone know  
>> what was
>> the first Music N system to offer an orchestra language distinct  
>> from the
>> language in which the system was implemented?
>>
>> Anthony Kozar
>> mailing-lists-1001 AT anthonykozar DOT net
>> http://anthonykozar.net/
>>
>>
>>
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----- Original Message -----

From: Chris Vaisvil

To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk

Sent: Tuesday, May 19, 2009 8:55 PM

Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: longevity of software

Was the FORTRAN MUSIC IVB then part of this series?

 

It seems my class was taught on an older piece of software in 1978.

 

Dr. Hanzelin at Throton Community College - which I think he did a heroic theory class for such an institution.

Thanks,

 

Chris Vaisvil

 

(yes I am a new person to the list)

 

 

On Tue, May 19, 2009 at 3:37 PM, Dr. Richard Boulanger <rboulanger@berklee.edu> wrote:

I can confirm that F.R. Moore's Cmusic was before Csound and that it was written in C and ran on our Vax 1178 minicomputer

I did my PhD there between 80 - 85

I was the Research Assistant at the Center for Music Experiment's (CME) Computer Audio Research Lab (CARL)
where I composed *the first* Cmusic composition - Two Movements in C - it was featured/premiered at the North Texas State University ICMC in 1981.  (I have a Csound version of this piece now - and it is also in The Csound Catalog)

While at CME, we also had a PDP11 in the computer room.  It was there to support Dick Moore's realTime work and
his FRMbox.  Barry Vercoe visited and installed Music11 for me.  (I will run jobs to compare the speed of the two languages
and the two systems - the PDP and the Vax.

It was when I returned to Boston, after completing my PhD, that Barry Invited me back to work with him at the Media Lab
(he had a new music11 for me to try and betatest, in C, - Csound)

-dB

Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 19, 2009, at 1:05 PM, Anthony Kozar wrote:

Felipe Sateler wrote on 5/19/09 8:11 AM:

Not strictly true. If I understand the csound history correctly, Csound gets
its name by being the first MUSIC-family member to be written in C. Thus, it
would be a reimplementation. The analogy in the Max family would be PD, which
can't trace back to 1986, since it doesn't share a codebase...

I have seen this notion that Csound was "the first MUSIC-family member to be
written in C" repeated a few times in recent years and it is even in the
manual.  However, other sources make different claims.  Can we figure out
what the truth is and set the record straight?

(I am too young to really know whose claims are correct).

Vercoe's preface to the manual details the lineage of Csound but does not
give a date for Csound.  According to the Introduction section of the Csound
manual:

"[Csound] was originally written by Barry Vercoe at the Massachusetts
Institute of Technology in 1984 as the first C language version of this type
of software."

I believe this sentence was added in the last few years and that it is
inaccurate.  According to Curtis Roads (_The_Computer_Music_Tutorial_
789-90) and other sources I have seen, Csound was introduced in 1986.
Additionally, Roads cites the introduction of Music4C in 1985, Cmix in 1984,
and Cmusic in 1980, implying that Csound was not the first such system in C.

I believe that in some of these other early systems, it was necessary to
write the orchestra in C, compile it with the C compiler, and link it to the
runtime library containing the unit generators.  Does anyone know what was
the first Music N system to offer an orchestra language distinct from the
language in which the system was implemented?

Anthony Kozar
mailing-lists-1001 AT anthonykozar DOT net
http://anthonykozar.net/



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Dr. B, 

This is all so fascinating.  So, you wrote the first compositions for both
Csound and Cmusic?  That is quite a legacy.  Again, I think we should
celebrate the anniversary of Trapped and the upcoming anniversary of Two
Movements somehow.

Also, thanks for helping to set the record straight on Csound's place in
history!

Anthony 

Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote on 5/19/09 3:37 PM:

> I can confirm that F.R. Moore's Cmusic was before Csound and that it
> was written in C and ran on our Vax 1178 minicomputer
> 
> I did my PhD there between 80 - 85
> 
> I was the Research Assistant at the Center for Music Experiment's
> (CME) Computer Audio Research Lab (CARL)
> where I composed *the first* Cmusic composition - Two Movements in C -
> it was featured/premiered at the North Texas State University ICMC in
> 1981.  (I have a Csound version of this piece now - and it is also in
> The Csound Catalog)
> 
> While at CME, we also had a PDP11 in the computer room.  It was there
> to support Dick Moore's realTime work and
> his FRMbox.  Barry Vercoe visited and installed Music11 for me.  (I
> will run jobs to compare the speed of the two languages
> and the two systems - the PDP and the Vax.
> 
> It was when I returned to Boston, after completing my PhD, that Barry
> Invited me back to work with him at the Media Lab
> (he had a new music11 for me to try and betatest, in C, - Csound)
> 
> -dB

Just to clarify....

1.  I absolutely wrote the first Cmusic piece.

2.  Since Csound evolved from Music11 as it did - and since Trapped  
was originally composed in Music11
and since there were other Music11 pieces composed before mine....   
It's a tough call there.... Mine was *not*
the first Music11 piece.

3.  But... Trapped was absolutely the first Csound piece, (especially  
as it was tweeked and revised * a little * for Csound
and it was the first * piece * to sing from Csound - as a language -  
for sure.... but.... I am not sure if one could officially
say that it was the * first * Csound piece.

Music 360 was Music5 for and IBM360 machine and in it Barry introduced  
K-Rate processing

Music11 really was Csound (in design and opcode compatibility) -  
written for the PDP11 - but it was written in rt11 assembler
and not in C (i am pretty sure)

So - one could argue that the Music11 compositions were the first  
Csound pieces. (Some of the big music11 piece
that were composed before mine back then were by James Dashow, Curtis  
Roads, Tod Machover, and Barry Vercoe himself)

Trapped was the first piece - the beta piece - for Csound - that is  
absolutely true.....

It is pretty wonderful that it still computes/renders and is still  
alive to this day... that's amazing.
- same code - from 1979 - no changes required at all.

that is a tribute to John ffitch and all the developers (including you  
Anthony!) who have made sure that Csound
was 100% backward compatible.

Since 1979/86 - the language has improved, expanded and modernized in  
so many ways, but we didn't toss out the compositions to do it!

That is what is worth celebrating!  That hard work by all of you.

Eternally grateful to the Csound5 developers!

Dr. B.

PS..   being first doesn't matter - being there matters... and hanging  
in there
matters... and the fact that it still works as code and as music -  
that's what really matters....

music is the key, music transforms our sense of time, music uses time  
to open the soul and open a channel of communication between souls,  
and by capturing the moment in time... music makes time travel  
possible.... so, for this... all this... and all
that I have learned about sound, synthesis, signal processing, and  
people - amazing people - I am incredibly humbled and
happy about being - Trapped in Convert back in the then Experimental  
Music Studio at MIT in 1979 - There was no Media Lab back then.


Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 20, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Anthony Kozar wrote:

> Dr. B,
>
> This is all so fascinating.  So, you wrote the first compositions  
> for both
> Csound and Cmusic?  That is quite a legacy.  Again, I think we should
> celebrate the anniversary of Trapped and the upcoming anniversary of  
> Two
> Movements somehow.
>
> Also, thanks for helping to set the record straight on Csound's  
> place in
> history!
>
> Anthony
>
> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote on 5/19/09 3:37 PM:
>
>> I can confirm that F.R. Moore's Cmusic was before Csound and that it
>> was written in C and ran on our Vax 1178 minicomputer
>>
>> I did my PhD there between 80 - 85
>>
>> I was the Research Assistant at the Center for Music Experiment's
>> (CME) Computer Audio Research Lab (CARL)
>> where I composed *the first* Cmusic composition - Two Movements in  
>> C -
>> it was featured/premiered at the North Texas State University ICMC in
>> 1981.  (I have a Csound version of this piece now - and it is also in
>> The Csound Catalog)
>>
>> While at CME, we also had a PDP11 in the computer room.  It was there
>> to support Dick Moore's realTime work and
>> his FRMbox.  Barry Vercoe visited and installed Music11 for me.  (I
>> will run jobs to compare the speed of the two languages
>> and the two systems - the PDP and the Vax.
>>
>> It was when I returned to Boston, after completing my PhD, that Barry
>> Invited me back to work with him at the Media Lab
>> (he had a new music11 for me to try and betatest, in C, - Csound)
>>
>> -dB
>
>
>
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One other point to note....

most (if not all) of the music11 stuff major compositions
involved a lot of splicing on audio tape and studio assembly.

Trapped was a complete piece that ran from beginning to end as a  
single .orc and .sco
- it still does
- maybe in that regard - it may well have been the first music11  
*piece* that ran from
beginning to end as a single .orc and .sco and wasn't edited together  
from bits and pieces
to make the piece.

-dB

Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu



On May 20, 2009, at 11:50 AM, Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:

> Just to clarify....
>
> 1.  I absolutely wrote the first Cmusic piece.
>
> 2.  Since Csound evolved from Music11 as it did - and since Trapped  
> was originally composed in Music11
> and since there were other Music11 pieces composed before mine....   
> It's a tough call there.... Mine was *not*
> the first Music11 piece.
>
> 3.  But... Trapped was absolutely the first Csound piece,  
> (especially as it was tweeked and revised * a little * for Csound
> and it was the first * piece * to sing from Csound - as a language -  
> for sure.... but.... I am not sure if one could officially
> say that it was the * first * Csound piece.
>
> Music 360 was Music5 for and IBM360 machine and in it Barry  
> introduced K-Rate processing
>
> Music11 really was Csound (in design and opcode compatibility) -  
> written for the PDP11 - but it was written in rt11 assembler
> and not in C (i am pretty sure)
>
> So - one could argue that the Music11 compositions were the first  
> Csound pieces. (Some of the big music11 piece
> that were composed before mine back then were by James Dashow,  
> Curtis Roads, Tod Machover, and Barry Vercoe himself)
>
> Trapped was the first piece - the beta piece - for Csound - that is  
> absolutely true.....
>
> It is pretty wonderful that it still computes/renders and is still  
> alive to this day... that's amazing.
> - same code - from 1979 - no changes required at all.
>
> that is a tribute to John ffitch and all the developers (including  
> you Anthony!) who have made sure that Csound
> was 100% backward compatible.
>
> Since 1979/86 - the language has improved, expanded and modernized  
> in so many ways, but we didn't toss out the compositions to do it!
>
> That is what is worth celebrating!  That hard work by all of you.
>
> Eternally grateful to the Csound5 developers!
>
> Dr. B.
>
> PS..   being first doesn't matter - being there matters... and  
> hanging in there
> matters... and the fact that it still works as code and as music -  
> that's what really matters....
>
> music is the key, music transforms our sense of time, music uses  
> time to open the soul and open a channel of communication between  
> souls, and by capturing the moment in time... music makes time  
> travel possible.... so, for this... all this... and all
> that I have learned about sound, synthesis, signal processing, and  
> people - amazing people - I am incredibly humbled and
> happy about being - Trapped in Convert back in the then Experimental  
> Music Studio at MIT in 1979 - There was no Media Lab back then.
>
>
> Dr. Richard Boulanger  -  rboulanger@berklee.edu
>
>
>
> On May 20, 2009, at 11:27 AM, Anthony Kozar wrote:
>
>> Dr. B,
>>
>> This is all so fascinating.  So, you wrote the first compositions  
>> for both
>> Csound and Cmusic?  That is quite a legacy.  Again, I think we should
>> celebrate the anniversary of Trapped and the upcoming anniversary  
>> of Two
>> Movements somehow.
>>
>> Also, thanks for helping to set the record straight on Csound's  
>> place in
>> history!
>>
>> Anthony
>>
>> Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote on 5/19/09 3:37 PM:
>>
>>> I can confirm that F.R. Moore's Cmusic was before Csound and that it
>>> was written in C and ran on our Vax 1178 minicomputer
>>>
>>> I did my PhD there between 80 - 85
>>>
>>> I was the Research Assistant at the Center for Music Experiment's
>>> (CME) Computer Audio Research Lab (CARL)
>>> where I composed *the first* Cmusic composition - Two Movements in  
>>> C -
>>> it was featured/premiered at the North Texas State University ICMC  
>>> in
>>> 1981.  (I have a Csound version of this piece now - and it is also  
>>> in
>>> The Csound Catalog)
>>>
>>> While at CME, we also had a PDP11 in the computer room.  It was  
>>> there
>>> to support Dick Moore's realTime work and
>>> his FRMbox.  Barry Vercoe visited and installed Music11 for me.  (I
>>> will run jobs to compare the speed of the two languages
>>> and the two systems - the PDP and the Vax.
>>>
>>> It was when I returned to Boston, after completing my PhD, that  
>>> Barry
>>> Invited me back to work with him at the Media Lab
>>> (he had a new music11 for me to try and betatest, in C, - Csound)
>>>
>>> -dB
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Dear All,
I'm only an amateur user of Csound, and then i have nothing to say about
this discourse, but i have a lovely memory of 1993 (c.ca) the first time i
meet
Csound. Ok, not so much, but it was free, well mainteined, and really
powerful,
like now. Unluckly i sleep the last 15 years, and now i start again to use
csound.
Anyway I would only say thank to all of You that make possible for people
like me
to express our creativity and to have always an help from developer and
community.

Apologize from an incurable scribbler
fran
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