I'm playing a scary piece that I made called "obsidian mouth" this Halloween.
It plays for 1000 seconds and I got it on repeat. I used Csound and Audacity
while creating it.



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Csound AND audacity, that does sound scary ;)

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By the way, did you use csLADSPA? If not you should look into it. It let's you use csound instruments directly in audacity.

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Any chance that that could work in Windows?  Might be a way to smuggle 
Csound into schools under the cover of Audacity.

Richard Dobson


On 01/11/2013 13:39, Rory Walsh wrote:
> By the way, did you use csLADSPA? If not you should look into it. It
> let's you use csound instruments directly in audacity.
>
> sent from a mobile device...
>

as far as I know, it works on windows alright.
On 1 Nov 2013, at 14:28, Richard Dobson wrote:

> Any chance that that could work in Windows?  Might be a way to smuggle Csound into schools under the cover of Audacity.
> 
> Richard Dobson
> 
> 
> On 01/11/2013 13:39, Rory Walsh wrote:
>> By the way, did you use csLADSPA? If not you should look into it. It
>> let's you use csound instruments directly in audacity.
>> 
>> sent from a mobile device...
>> 
> 
> 
> 
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Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
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Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

Unfortunately, having installed Csound6 on my justifiably modest 32bit
Vista laptop, Audacity 2.0 complains if the new csladspa.dll is in its
plugins directory; I have to remove it to get Audacity running again. It
never managed to find the previous CS5 version of ladspa I had.

So I am left wondering if there is some specific combination of
resources which I don't have. Some other files also need to be in that
plugins directory? Is the new csladspa.dll a 64bit build? Something
extra in the PATH? Audacity does recognise all the Windows LADSPA
plugins downloadable from the Audacity website.


Puzzled...

Richard Dobson


On 01/11/2013 14:37, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> as far as I know, it works on windows alright. On 1 Nov 2013, at
> 14:28, Richard Dobson wrote:
>
>> Any chance that that could work in Windows?  Might be a way to
>> smuggle Csound into schools under the cover of Audacity.
>>
>> Richard Dobson
>>
>>

Maybe it can't find the csound6.dll and/or  csnd6.dll (and possibly libsndfile.dll)
On 1 Nov 2013, at 16:01, Richard Dobson wrote:

> Unfortunately, having installed Csound6 on my justifiably modest 32bit
> Vista laptop, Audacity 2.0 complains if the new csladspa.dll is in its
> plugins directory; I have to remove it to get Audacity running again. It
> never managed to find the previous CS5 version of ladspa I had.
> 
> So I am left wondering if there is some specific combination of
> resources which I don't have. Some other files also need to be in that
> plugins directory? Is the new csladspa.dll a 64bit build? Something
> extra in the PATH? Audacity does recognise all the Windows LADSPA
> plugins downloadable from the Audacity website.
> 
> 
> Puzzled...
> 
> Richard Dobson
> 
> 
> On 01/11/2013 14:37, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> as far as I know, it works on windows alright. On 1 Nov 2013, at
>> 14:28, Richard Dobson wrote:
>> 
>>> Any chance that that could work in Windows?  Might be a way to
>>> smuggle Csound into schools under the cover of Audacity.
>>> 
>>> Richard Dobson
>>> 
>>> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 
> 

Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
tel.: +353 1 708 3545
Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

Csound6\bin was in the PATH, but right at the end; moving it to the 
front has enabled Audacity to start (so there must have been some clash 
somewhere), but it still doesn't list csladspa, though it lists 
everything else in the plugins folder. Does it require some csd file to 
be present?

Richard Dobson

On 01/11/2013 16:10, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> Maybe it can't find the csound6.dll and/or  csnd6.dll (and possibly libsndfile.dll)
> On 1 Nov 2013, at 16:01, Richard Dobson wrote:
>

yes, it does. Each CSD should show up as a plugin then:

http://www.csounds.com/journal/issue6/csLADSPA.html

Victor
On 1 Nov 2013, at 16:49, Richard Dobson wrote:

> Csound6\bin was in the PATH, but right at the end; moving it to the front has enabled Audacity to start (so there must have been some clash somewhere), but it still doesn't list csladspa, though it lists everything else in the plugins folder. Does it require some csd file to be present?
> 
> Richard Dobson
> 
> On 01/11/2013 16:10, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> Maybe it can't find the csound6.dll and/or  csnd6.dll (and possibly libsndfile.dll)
>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 16:01, Richard Dobson wrote:
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 
> 

Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
tel.: +353 1 708 3545
Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

OK, thanks, that was the final info I needed. It ~appears~ that I can
have csladspa.dll in the Audacity Plug-Ins folder, and the csd files
somewhere else (i.e. a user directory). It goes without saying that in
the vast majority of cases, neither teachers nor pupils will be
permitted any write access to Windows system directories.

The ideal would be to integrate csladspa into Audacity more, so that
Audacity Preferences can store the path to csd files, and so obviate the
need for LADSPA_PATH - environment variables being also something
teachers will rarely be able to tinker with ad lib. UK schools have in
many cases been ~required~ to outsource all their IT provision to
external suppliers, it can actually cost them something like £800 every
time they request some new software package to be added to the system -
they are not allowed to install things themselves. Audacity is a
long-established application which most schools can be relied upon to
have (almost a syllabus requirement), but getting Csound in there as
well is going to be a major challenge; anything that simplifies the
process, and keeps managers happy, will be A Good Thing.

[which is why I have an interest in the Csound-in-a-browser solution too.]

BTW, the link in that article to www.ear.ie is no longer correct; the
page that comes up says the domain is "reserved" for someone else.


I may come back to this topic under a new thread in due course...

Richard


On 01/11/2013 16:52, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> yes, it does. Each CSD should show up as a plugin then:
>
> http://www.csounds.com/journal/issue6/csLADSPA.html
>

What cabbage VSTs? Do the Audacity installation allow VSTs?
On 1 Nov 2013, at 19:10, Richard Dobson wrote:

> OK, thanks, that was the final info I needed. It ~appears~ that I can
> have csladspa.dll in the Audacity Plug-Ins folder, and the csd files
> somewhere else (i.e. a user directory). It goes without saying that in
> the vast majority of cases, neither teachers nor pupils will be
> permitted any write access to Windows system directories.
> 
> The ideal would be to integrate csladspa into Audacity more, so that
> Audacity Preferences can store the path to csd files, and so obviate the
> need for LADSPA_PATH - environment variables being also something
> teachers will rarely be able to tinker with ad lib. UK schools have in
> many cases been ~required~ to outsource all their IT provision to
> external suppliers, it can actually cost them something like £800 every
> time they request some new software package to be added to the system -
> they are not allowed to install things themselves. Audacity is a
> long-established application which most schools can be relied upon to
> have (almost a syllabus requirement), but getting Csound in there as
> well is going to be a major challenge; anything that simplifies the
> process, and keeps managers happy, will be A Good Thing.
> 
> [which is why I have an interest in the Csound-in-a-browser solution too.]
> 
> BTW, the link in that article to www.ear.ie is no longer correct; the
> page that comes up says the domain is "reserved" for someone else.
> 
> 
> I may come back to this topic under a new thread in due course...
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
> On 01/11/2013 16:52, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> yes, it does. Each CSD should show up as a plugin then:
>> 
>> http://www.csounds.com/journal/issue6/csLADSPA.html
>> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 
> 

Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
tel.: +353 1 708 3545
Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie

[thread title changed!]

I have to assume not at this stage. I am just looking at creating some 
hopefully compelling examples of Sound and Music Computing, to attract 
both CS and music teachers alike; they will then have to persuade the 
powers that be to agree to have this and that installed. Some teachers 
(active on the CAS forum) are looking at creating their own independent 
network; others are looking at running virtual machines; and of course 
there is the Raspberry Pi. I can always present the example of "just" 
installing Csound with one of the stndard front ends, but given that 
Audacity is already a standard approved application, I hope that that 
will help its case.


Richard Dobson



On 01/11/2013 22:35, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
> What cabbage VSTs? Do the Audacity installation allow VSTs?
> On 1 Nov 2013, at 19:10, Richard Dobson wrote:
>

I think if you can get a csladspa packaging solution, it would be great to sneak in Csound in the school curriculum.

On 1 Nov 2013, at 23:21, Richard Dobson wrote:

> [thread title changed!]
> 
> I have to assume not at this stage. I am just looking at creating some hopefully compelling examples of Sound and Music Computing, to attract both CS and music teachers alike; they will then have to persuade the powers that be to agree to have this and that installed. Some teachers (active on the CAS forum) are looking at creating their own independent network; others are looking at running virtual machines; and of course there is the Raspberry Pi. I can always present the example of "just" installing Csound with one of the stndard front ends, but given that Audacity is already a standard approved application, I hope that that will help its case.
> 
> 
> Richard Dobson
> 
> 
> 
> On 01/11/2013 22:35, Victor Lazzarini wrote:
>> What cabbage VSTs? Do the Audacity installation allow VSTs?
>> On 1 Nov 2013, at 19:10, Richard Dobson wrote:
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug trackers
> csound6:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/tickets/
> csound5:
>           https://sourceforge.net/p/csound/bugs/
> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"
> 
> 

Dr Victor Lazzarini
Senior Lecturer
Dept. of Music
NUI Maynooth Ireland
tel.: +353 1 708 3545
Victor dot Lazzarini AT nuim dot ie