[Csnd] assign hardware and software channels
Date | 2010-07-11 22:35 |
From | k_o_m_p |
Subject | [Csnd] assign hardware and software channels |
Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel 1.
Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the audio
interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch are usually numbered after de analog ones. Thanks, Luís |
Date | 2010-07-12 08:40 |
From | joachim heintz |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: assign hardware and software channels |
not sure if i understand you quite correctly, but i usually do something like this in the header: giOut1 = 1 giOut2 = 2 etc. in the instrument, i use outch with these variables: outch giOut1, asig1, giOut2, asig2 etc then it's no problem to change the header to giOut1 = 9 giOut2 = 10 or whatever, if there is another soundcard, or other output channels. joachim Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: > Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel > 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the > audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? > > I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch > are usually numbered after de analog ones. > > Thanks, > > Luís > > > > > luis antunes pena > http://sumtone.com > http://ixherculean.com > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2010-07-12 10:10 |
From | k_o_m_p |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
Hi Joachim, thanks for your response. The problem is that you'll need to set nchnls = 10 in order to use channels 9 and 10 even if you are using only a stereo output. This will cause the CPU to process 10 channels instead of only 2. I wonder if you can assign hardware channels 9 and 10 to csound channels 1 and 2. Max/Msp does this in audio configurations but I don't know if this is possible in Csound. Luís joachim heintz schrieb: > not sure if i understand you quite correctly, but i usually do > something like this in the header: > > giOut1 = 1 > giOut2 = 2 > etc. > > in the instrument, i use outch with these variables: > outch giOut1, asig1, giOut2, asig2 etc > > then it's no problem to change the header to > > giOut1 = 9 > giOut2 = 10 > or whatever, if there is another soundcard, or other output channels. > > joachim > > > > Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: > >> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel 1. >> Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the audio >> interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >> >> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Luís >> >> >> >> >> luis antunes pena >> http://sumtone.com >> http://ixherculean.com >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2010-07-12 11:14 |
From | jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
I use alsa as my output system and i can select different devices top pick up teh SPDIF or analog outputs. Is that what you mean? The mapping between csound channels and the hardware is a device issue in my opinion. ==John ff > > Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: > >> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel >> 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the >> audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >> >> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Luís >> >> >> >> >> luis antunes pena >> http://sumtone.com >> http://ixherculean.com >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe > csound" > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2010-07-12 13:05 |
From | k_o_m_p |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
That's what I mean. yes. I use a MOTU 828 and I can edit the name of the channels but I can't change the order of the numbered outputs. These are: 1-8 Analog 9-16 ADAT 17-18 SPDIF So for example if I need to use SPDIF I would have to make in csound nchnls = 18 to use a SPDIF stereo output. Is there a way to solve this in Csound? Max/Msp has an I/O Mapping where you can assign the hardware in/outs to the software ones. I think this would be very usefull for csound. luís jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk schrieb: > I use alsa as my output system and i can select different devices top pick > up teh SPDIF or analog outputs. Is that what you mean? The mapping > between csound channels and the hardware is a device issue in my opinion. > > ==John ff > > > >> Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: >> >> >>> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel >>> 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the >>> audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >>> >>> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >>> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Luís >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> luis antunes pena >>> http://sumtone.com >>> http://ixherculean.com >>> >>> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" >> >> >> >> >> > > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > > |
Date | 2010-07-12 13:24 |
From | k_o_m_p |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
That's what I mean. yes. I use a MOTU 828 and I can edit the name of the channels but I can't change the order of the numbered outputs. These are: 1-8 Analog 9-16 ADAT 17-18 SPDIF So for example if I need to use SPDIF I would have to make in csound nchnls = 18 to use a SPDIF stereo output. Is there a way to solve this in Csound? Max/Msp has an I/O Mapping where you can assign the hardware in/outs to the software ones. I think this would be very usefull for csound. luís jpff@cs.bath.ac.uk schrieb: > I use alsa as my output system and i can select different devices top pick > up teh SPDIF or analog outputs. Is that what you mean? The mapping > between csound channels and the hardware is a device issue in my opinion. > > ==John ff > > > >> Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: >> >> >>> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel >>> 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the >>> audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >>> >>> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >>> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Luís >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> luis antunes pena >>> http://sumtone.com >>> http://ixherculean.com >>> >>> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe >> csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2010-07-12 13:25 |
From | k_o_m_p |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
Hi Joachim, thanks for your response. The problem is that you'll need to set nchnls = 10 in order to use channels 9 and 10 even if you are using only a stereo output. This will cause the CPU to process 10 channels instead of only 2. I wonder if you can assign hardware channels 9 and 10 to csound channels 1 and 2. Max/Msp does this in audio configurations but I don't know if this is possible in Csound. Luís joachim heintz schrieb: > not sure if i understand you quite correctly, but i usually do > something like this in the header: > > giOut1 = 1 > giOut2 = 2 > etc. > > in the instrument, i use outch with these variables: > outch giOut1, asig1, giOut2, asig2 etc > > then it's no problem to change the header to > > giOut1 = 9 > giOut2 = 10 > or whatever, if there is another soundcard, or other output channels. > > joachim > > > > Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: > >> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel 1. >> Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the audio >> interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >> >> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >> >> Thanks, >> >> Luís >> >> >> >> >> luis antunes pena >> http://sumtone.com >> http://ixherculean.com >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > |
Date | 2010-07-12 21:35 |
From | joachim heintz |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
hi luis - i see ... yes it would certainly be useful if it can be done in csound. are you sure that maxmsp does not open all audio channels, even if you assign via i/o mapping hardware 9/10 to max 1/2? joachim Am 12.07.2010 um 14:25 schrieb k_o_m_p: > Hi Joachim, > thanks for your response. The problem is that you'll need to set > nchnls > = 10 in order to use channels 9 and 10 even if you are using only a > stereo output. This will cause the CPU to process 10 channels > instead of > only 2. I wonder if you can assign hardware channels 9 and 10 to > csound > channels 1 and 2. Max/Msp does this in audio configurations but I > don't > know if this is possible in Csound. > Luís > > joachim heintz schrieb: >> not sure if i understand you quite correctly, but i usually do >> something like this in the header: >> >> giOut1 = 1 >> giOut2 = 2 >> etc. >> >> in the instrument, i use outch with these variables: >> outch giOut1, asig1, giOut2, asig2 etc >> >> then it's no problem to change the header to >> >> giOut1 = 9 >> giOut2 = 10 >> or whatever, if there is another soundcard, or other output channels. >> >> joachim >> >> >> >> Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: >> >>> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel >>> 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the >>> audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >>> >>> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - >>> whch are usually numbered after de analog ones. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Luís >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> luis antunes pena >>> http://sumtone.com >>> http://ixherculean.com >>> >> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >> "unsubscribe csound" >> > > > -- > --- > [new adress] > > luis antunes pena > c/o Internationales Kuenstlerhaus Villa Concordia > Concordiastr. 28 > D-96049 Bamberg > (Germany) > > http://sumtone.com > http://ixherculean.com > > +49 (0)176 968 09 867 > skype: antunespena > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2010-07-12 21:47 |
From | k_o_m_p |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
MAX/Msp has this menu: Options -> DSP Status -> I/O Mappings Here you can turn on/off all channels you need and make the mappings. I don't know how difficult it would be to build this in csound, but it would be really nice to have it. -luís joachim heintz schrieb: > hi luis - > i see ... > yes it would certainly be useful if it can be done in csound. > are you sure that maxmsp does not open all audio channels, even if you > assign via i/o mapping hardware 9/10 to max 1/2? > > joachim > > > Am 12.07.2010 um 14:25 schrieb k_o_m_p: > >> Hi Joachim, >> thanks for your response. The problem is that you'll need to set nchnls >> = 10 in order to use channels 9 and 10 even if you are using only a >> stereo output. This will cause the CPU to process 10 channels instead of >> only 2. I wonder if you can assign hardware channels 9 and 10 to csound >> channels 1 and 2. Max/Msp does this in audio configurations but I don't >> know if this is possible in Csound. >> Luís >> >> joachim heintz schrieb: >>> not sure if i understand you quite correctly, but i usually do >>> something like this in the header: >>> >>> giOut1 = 1 >>> giOut2 = 2 >>> etc. >>> >>> in the instrument, i use outch with these variables: >>> outch giOut1, asig1, giOut2, asig2 etc >>> >>> then it's no problem to change the header to >>> >>> giOut1 = 9 >>> giOut2 = 10 >>> or whatever, if there is another soundcard, or other output channels. >>> >>> joachim >>> >>> >>> >>> Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: >>> >>>> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel >>>> 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the >>>> audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >>>> >>>> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >>>> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Luís >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> luis antunes pena >>>> http://sumtone.com >>>> http://ixherculean.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>> "unsubscribe csound" >>> >> >> >> -- >> --- >> [new adress] >> >> luis antunes pena >> c/o Internationales Kuenstlerhaus Villa Concordia >> Concordiastr. 28 >> D-96049 Bamberg >> (Germany) >> >> http://sumtone.com >> http://ixherculean.com >> >> +49 (0)176 968 09 867 >> skype: antunespena >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >> "unsubscribe csound" >> >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > > |
Date | 2010-07-13 10:21 |
From | Justin Glenn Smith |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
Does this need to be within csound? Programs like jackd and soundflower for example make this issue very easy to deal with. k_o_m_p wrote: > MAX/Msp has this menu: Options -> DSP Status -> I/O Mappings > Here you can turn on/off all channels you need and make the mappings. I > don't know how difficult it would be to build this in csound, but it > would be really nice to have it. > > -luís > > > > joachim heintz schrieb: >> hi luis - >> i see ... >> yes it would certainly be useful if it can be done in csound. >> are you sure that maxmsp does not open all audio channels, even if you >> assign via i/o mapping hardware 9/10 to max 1/2? >> >> joachim >> >> >> Am 12.07.2010 um 14:25 schrieb k_o_m_p: >> >>> Hi Joachim, >>> thanks for your response. The problem is that you'll need to set nchnls >>> = 10 in order to use channels 9 and 10 even if you are using only a >>> stereo output. This will cause the CPU to process 10 channels instead of >>> only 2. I wonder if you can assign hardware channels 9 and 10 to csound >>> channels 1 and 2. Max/Msp does this in audio configurations but I don't >>> know if this is possible in Csound. >>> Luís >>> >>> joachim heintz schrieb: >>>> not sure if i understand you quite correctly, but i usually do >>>> something like this in the header: >>>> >>>> giOut1 = 1 >>>> giOut2 = 2 >>>> etc. >>>> >>>> in the instrument, i use outch with these variables: >>>> outch giOut1, asig1, giOut2, asig2 etc >>>> >>>> then it's no problem to change the header to >>>> >>>> giOut1 = 9 >>>> giOut2 = 10 >>>> or whatever, if there is another soundcard, or other output channels. >>>> >>>> joachim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: >>>> >>>>> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel >>>>> 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the >>>>> audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >>>>> >>>>> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >>>>> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> >>>>> Luís >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> luis antunes pena >>>>> http://sumtone.com >>>>> http://ixherculean.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>> "unsubscribe csound" >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> --- >>> [new adress] >>> >>> luis antunes pena >>> c/o Internationales Kuenstlerhaus Villa Concordia >>> Concordiastr. 28 >>> D-96049 Bamberg >>> (Germany) >>> >>> http://sumtone.com >>> http://ixherculean.com >>> >>> +49 (0)176 968 09 867 >>> skype: antunespena >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>> "unsubscribe csound" >>> >>> >> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >> "unsubscribe csound" >> >> > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" |
Date | 2010-07-14 10:39 |
From | k_o_m_p |
Subject | [Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: assign hardware and software channels |
I had Soundflower installed before but since I installed Mac OSX 10.6 it seams not to work. Does the new Soundflower do the mappings? The earlier version doesn't. Jack can do the mappings. But I don't know how stable is it for OSX. I haven't been using it in the last years. Does anyonehas experience using Jack in OSX with Csound? Luís Justin Glenn Smith schrieb: > Does this need to be within csound? Programs like jackd and soundflower for example make this issue very easy to deal with. > > k_o_m_p wrote: > >> MAX/Msp has this menu: Options -> DSP Status -> I/O Mappings >> Here you can turn on/off all channels you need and make the mappings. I >> don't know how difficult it would be to build this in csound, but it >> would be really nice to have it. >> >> -luís >> >> >> >> joachim heintz schrieb: >> >>> hi luis - >>> i see ... >>> yes it would certainly be useful if it can be done in csound. >>> are you sure that maxmsp does not open all audio channels, even if you >>> assign via i/o mapping hardware 9/10 to max 1/2? >>> >>> joachim >>> >>> >>> Am 12.07.2010 um 14:25 schrieb k_o_m_p: >>> >>> >>>> Hi Joachim, >>>> thanks for your response. The problem is that you'll need to set nchnls >>>> = 10 in order to use channels 9 and 10 even if you are using only a >>>> stereo output. This will cause the CPU to process 10 channels instead of >>>> only 2. I wonder if you can assign hardware channels 9 and 10 to csound >>>> channels 1 and 2. Max/Msp does this in audio configurations but I don't >>>> know if this is possible in Csound. >>>> Luís >>>> >>>> joachim heintz schrieb: >>>> >>>>> not sure if i understand you quite correctly, but i usually do >>>>> something like this in the header: >>>>> >>>>> giOut1 = 1 >>>>> giOut2 = 2 >>>>> etc. >>>>> >>>>> in the instrument, i use outch with these variables: >>>>> outch giOut1, asig1, giOut2, asig2 etc >>>>> >>>>> then it's no problem to change the header to >>>>> >>>>> giOut1 = 9 >>>>> giOut2 = 10 >>>>> or whatever, if there is another soundcard, or other output channels. >>>>> >>>>> joachim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Am 11.07.2010 um 23:35 schrieb k_o_m_p: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Usually csound audio channel 1 corresponds to the hardware channel >>>>>> 1. Is there a possibility to assign the hardware channels from the >>>>>> audio interface, let's say 9 to csound as 1? >>>>>> >>>>>> I came across this problem when trying to use the ADAT ports - whch >>>>>> are usually numbered after de analog ones. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>> >>>>>> Luís >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> luis antunes pena >>>>>> http://sumtone.com >>>>>> http://ixherculean.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>>> "unsubscribe csound" >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> --- >>>> [new adress] >>>> >>>> luis antunes pena >>>> c/o Internationales Kuenstlerhaus Villa Concordia >>>> Concordiastr. 28 >>>> D-96049 Bamberg >>>> (Germany) >>>> >>>> http://sumtone.com >>>> http://ixherculean.com >>>> >>>> +49 (0)176 968 09 867 >>>> skype: antunespena >>>> >>>> >>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>>> "unsubscribe csound" >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>> "unsubscribe csound" >>> >>> >>> >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" > > > |