[Csnd] Max4Live and Csound

[Csnd] Max4Live and Csound

Date	2010-07-25 20:37
From	gary hiebner
Subject	[Csnd] Max4Live and Csound
	I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with each other? Can't wait to test this out. Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited.

Date	2010-07-25 20:49
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Max4Live and Csound
	Apparently, yes. Oeyvind Brandtsegg showed me his stuff with partikkel, which worked quite well. Victor On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: > I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get > Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working > perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with > each other? Can't wait to test this out. > > Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use > all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one > roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-25 20:55
From	Peiman Khosravi
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Max4Live and Csound
	It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive for studio work. Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. Keep us updated! Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: > I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get > Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working > perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with > each other? Can't wait to test this out. > > Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use > all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one > roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. > > -- > Sent from my mobile device > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-25 21:03
From	Anthony Palomba
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	I have been using it on Win7, works great! Live/Max/Csound is a pretty powerful combination. Anthony On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Victor Lazzarini <Victor.Lazzarini@nuim.ie> wrote: Apparently, yes. Oeyvind Brandtsegg showed me his stuff with partikkel, which worked quite well. Victor On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with each other? Can't wait to test this out. Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. -- Sent from my mobile device Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-25 23:06
From	Victor Lazzarini
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	What do you mean re: discontinuing plug-in compatibility? On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:55, Peiman Khosravi wrote: > It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in > compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive > for studio work. > > Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. > Keep us updated! > > Best, > > Peiman > > On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: > >> I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get >> Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working >> perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with >> each other? Can't wait to test this out. >> >> Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to >> use >> all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one >> roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. >> >> -- >> Sent from my mobile device >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >> "unsubscribe csound" >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-25 23:18
From	Peiman Khosravi
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	With pluggo one could make VST and AU plug-ins out of max4 patches that could then be used in any vst/au-friendly application (and even RTAS in protools). With max5, Cycling74 decided to ditch pluggo and focus all the effort that went into it on max4live. So pluggo development and support has been discontinued since max5 came out. That's very unfortunate for anyone who doesn't wish to move to live (or pay for it), which (let's face it!) is not really meant as a serious pro studio DAW, as powerful as it is. That, together with the fact that MaxMsp has never has a friendly way of dealing with a time-line means that more and more users are 'forced' to buy live + max4live. It is these kinds of decisions that make me very sceptical about commercial software. Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 23:06, Victor Lazzarini wrote: > What do you mean re: discontinuing plug-in compatibility? > On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:55, Peiman Khosravi wrote: > >> It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in >> compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive >> for studio work. >> >> Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. >> Keep us updated! >> >> Best, >> >> Peiman >> >> On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: >> >>> I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get >>> Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all >>> working >>> perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work >>> with >>> each other? Can't wait to test this out. >>> >>> Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to >>> use >>> all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one >>> roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. >>> >>> -- >>> Sent from my mobile device >>> >>> >>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >>> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >>> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >>> "unsubscribe csound" >>> >> >> >> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker >> https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 >> Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here >> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body >> "unsubscribe csound" >> > > > > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker > https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 > Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here > To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body > "unsubscribe csound" > Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-26 20:02
From	J
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	Just to chime in, I am using Oeyvind Brandtsegg's Partikkel, as well as a multi-effects processor orc I wrote inside of Live using Davis Pyon's Csound~ object. Things are working pretty well, and I do find it a great workflow for me personally. Peiman, I hear what you are saying regarding Pluggo. For my uses, Max for Live is a better solution, but a more universal format would perhaps be a further reaching solution. It is a shame they couldn't do both, and I can imagine feeling a bit stranded had I made a lot of stuff in Pluggo. I generally end up composing in Live, then bouncing stems to Logic or Pro Tools to make my final mix. Best, Jeremy On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: With pluggo one could make VST and AU plug-ins out of max4 patches that could then be used in any vst/au-friendly application (and even RTAS in protools). With max5, Cycling74 decided to ditch pluggo and focus all the effort that went into it on max4live. So pluggo development and support has been discontinued since max5 came out. That's very unfortunate for anyone who doesn't wish to move to live (or pay for it), which (let's face it!) is not really meant as a serious pro studio DAW, as powerful as it is. That, together with the fact that MaxMsp has never has a friendly way of dealing with a time-line means that more and more users are 'forced' to buy live + max4live. It is these kinds of decisions that make me very sceptical about commercial software. Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 23:06, Victor Lazzarini wrote: What do you mean re: discontinuing plug-in compatibility? On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:55, Peiman Khosravi wrote: It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive for studio work. Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. Keep us updated! Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with each other? Can't wait to test this out. Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. -- Sent from my mobile device Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-26 20:09
From	Peiman Khosravi
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	Thanks for the info Jeremy. I am wandering if I won't be the next paying victim to Live :-) How does it work in terms of automating parameters? Is there an automation track for every max controller inside live? Thanks P On 26 Jul 2010, at 20:02, J wrote: Just to chime in, I am using Oeyvind Brandtsegg's Partikkel, as well as a multi-effects processor orc I wrote inside of Live using Davis Pyon's Csound~ object. Things are working pretty well, and I do find it a great workflow for me personally. Peiman, I hear what you are saying regarding Pluggo. For my uses, Max for Live is a better solution, but a more universal format would perhaps be a further reaching solution. It is a shame they couldn't do both, and I can imagine feeling a bit stranded had I made a lot of stuff in Pluggo. I generally end up composing in Live, then bouncing stems to Logic or Pro Tools to make my final mix. Best, Jeremy On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: With pluggo one could make VST and AU plug-ins out of max4 patches that could then be used in any vst/au-friendly application (and even RTAS in protools). With max5, Cycling74 decided to ditch pluggo and focus all the effort that went into it on max4live. So pluggo development and support has been discontinued since max5 came out. That's very unfortunate for anyone who doesn't wish to move to live (or pay for it), which (let's face it!) is not really meant as a serious pro studio DAW, as powerful as it is. That, together with the fact that MaxMsp has never has a friendly way of dealing with a time-line means that more and more users are 'forced' to buy live + max4live. It is these kinds of decisions that make me very sceptical about commercial software. Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 23:06, Victor Lazzarini wrote: What do you mean re: discontinuing plug-in compatibility? On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:55, Peiman Khosravi wrote: It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive for studio work. Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. Keep us updated! Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with each other? Can't wait to test this out. Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. -- Sent from my mobile device Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-26 20:26
From	J
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	No problem. Yeah, I was slightly questioning buying the whole package, but I did it anyway. Basically, once you enable a parameter (either a Pattr or Live object), you can automate it as you would any other parameter. It is quite intuitive. Looking at the new Cecilia however it seems a lot of this functionality could be implemented there.... I'm looking forward to playing with that when I get the chance. Best, Jeremy On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the info Jeremy. I am wandering if I won't be the next paying victim to Live :-) How does it work in terms of automating parameters? Is there an automation track for every max controller inside live? Thanks P On 26 Jul 2010, at 20:02, J wrote: Just to chime in, I am using Oeyvind Brandtsegg's Partikkel, as well as a multi-effects processor orc I wrote inside of Live using Davis Pyon's Csound~ object. Things are working pretty well, and I do find it a great workflow for me personally. Peiman, I hear what you are saying regarding Pluggo. For my uses, Max for Live is a better solution, but a more universal format would perhaps be a further reaching solution. It is a shame they couldn't do both, and I can imagine feeling a bit stranded had I made a lot of stuff in Pluggo. I generally end up composing in Live, then bouncing stems to Logic or Pro Tools to make my final mix. Best, Jeremy On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: With pluggo one could make VST and AU plug-ins out of max4 patches that could then be used in any vst/au-friendly application (and even RTAS in protools). With max5, Cycling74 decided to ditch pluggo and focus all the effort that went into it on max4live. So pluggo development and support has been discontinued since max5 came out. That's very unfortunate for anyone who doesn't wish to move to live (or pay for it), which (let's face it!) is not really meant as a serious pro studio DAW, as powerful as it is. That, together with the fact that MaxMsp has never has a friendly way of dealing with a time-line means that more and more users are 'forced' to buy live + max4live. It is these kinds of decisions that make me very sceptical about commercial software. Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 23:06, Victor Lazzarini wrote: What do you mean re: discontinuing plug-in compatibility? On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:55, Peiman Khosravi wrote: It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive for studio work. Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. Keep us updated! Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with each other? Can't wait to test this out. Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. -- Sent from my mobile device Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-28 12:36
From	Peiman Khosravi
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	Sorry for the delay. Thanks for the info Jeremy. I've downloaded the trail version of live with live4max and I have to say it looks much better than I thought. It is true that it is much more user-friendly than pluggo and very well integrated. So I will be investing in it! At the moment the only commercial software I have installed and use is Max and I can see that max4live will be a very good addition to it. Best, Peiman PS I would very interested to hear/try your csound~ devices. On 26 Jul 2010, at 20:26, J wrote: No problem. Yeah, I was slightly questioning buying the whole package, but I did it anyway. Basically, once you enable a parameter (either a Pattr or Live object), you can automate it as you would any other parameter. It is quite intuitive. Looking at the new Cecilia however it seems a lot of this functionality could be implemented there.... I'm looking forward to playing with that when I get the chance. Best, Jeremy On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the info Jeremy. I am wandering if I won't be the next paying victim to Live :-) How does it work in terms of automating parameters? Is there an automation track for every max controller inside live? Thanks P On 26 Jul 2010, at 20:02, J wrote: Just to chime in, I am using Oeyvind Brandtsegg's Partikkel, as well as a multi-effects processor orc I wrote inside of Live using Davis Pyon's Csound~ object. Things are working pretty well, and I do find it a great workflow for me personally. Peiman, I hear what you are saying regarding Pluggo. For my uses, Max for Live is a better solution, but a more universal format would perhaps be a further reaching solution. It is a shame they couldn't do both, and I can imagine feeling a bit stranded had I made a lot of stuff in Pluggo. I generally end up composing in Live, then bouncing stems to Logic or Pro Tools to make my final mix. Best, Jeremy On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: With pluggo one could make VST and AU plug-ins out of max4 patches that could then be used in any vst/au-friendly application (and even RTAS in protools). With max5, Cycling74 decided to ditch pluggo and focus all the effort that went into it on max4live. So pluggo development and support has been discontinued since max5 came out. That's very unfortunate for anyone who doesn't wish to move to live (or pay for it), which (let's face it!) is not really meant as a serious pro studio DAW, as powerful as it is. That, together with the fact that MaxMsp has never has a friendly way of dealing with a time-line means that more and more users are 'forced' to buy live + max4live. It is these kinds of decisions that make me very sceptical about commercial software. Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 23:06, Victor Lazzarini wrote: What do you mean re: discontinuing plug-in compatibility? On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:55, Peiman Khosravi wrote: It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive for studio work. Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. Keep us updated! Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with each other? Can't wait to test this out. Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one roof. Possibilities sound endless then. Super excited. -- Sent from my mobile device Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound" Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=81968&atid=564599 Discussions of bugs and features can be posted here To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe csound"

Date	2010-07-28 12:49
From	J
Subject	[Csnd] Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Max4Live and Csound
	Excellent, I do think it's worth doing, and provides a good alternative to working mostly in code. Interested to see what you do. I will be posting some samples soon - I will send you my two devices, though to be honest they are in a pretty rough state, but it might be interesting to see how I implemented things. Best, Jeremy On Wed, Jul 28, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: Sorry for the delay. Thanks for the info Jeremy. I've downloaded the trail version of live with live4max and I have to say it looks much better than I thought. It is true that it is much more user-friendly than pluggo and very well integrated. So I will be investing in it! At the moment the only commercial software I have installed and use is Max and I can see that max4live will be a very good addition to it. Best, Peiman PS I would very interested to hear/try your csound~ devices. On 26 Jul 2010, at 20:26, J wrote: No problem. Yeah, I was slightly questioning buying the whole package, but I did it anyway. Basically, once you enable a parameter (either a Pattr or Live object), you can automate it as you would any other parameter. It is quite intuitive. Looking at the new Cecilia however it seems a lot of this functionality could be implemented there.... I'm looking forward to playing with that when I get the chance. Best, Jeremy On Mon, Jul 26, 2010 at 8:09 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: Thanks for the info Jeremy. I am wandering if I won't be the next paying victim to Live :-) How does it work in terms of automating parameters? Is there an automation track for every max controller inside live? Thanks P On 26 Jul 2010, at 20:02, J wrote: Just to chime in, I am using Oeyvind Brandtsegg's Partikkel, as well as a multi-effects processor orc I wrote inside of Live using Davis Pyon's Csound~ object. Things are working pretty well, and I do find it a great workflow for me personally. Peiman, I hear what you are saying regarding Pluggo. For my uses, Max for Live is a better solution, but a more universal format would perhaps be a further reaching solution. It is a shame they couldn't do both, and I can imagine feeling a bit stranded had I made a lot of stuff in Pluggo. I generally end up composing in Live, then bouncing stems to Logic or Pro Tools to make my final mix. Best, Jeremy On Sun, Jul 25, 2010 at 11:18 PM, Peiman Khosravi <peimankhosravi@gmail.com> wrote: With pluggo one could make VST and AU plug-ins out of max4 patches that could then be used in any vst/au-friendly application (and even RTAS in protools). With max5, Cycling74 decided to ditch pluggo and focus all the effort that went into it on max4live. So pluggo development and support has been discontinued since max5 came out. That's very unfortunate for anyone who doesn't wish to move to live (or pay for it), which (let's face it!) is not really meant as a serious pro studio DAW, as powerful as it is. That, together with the fact that MaxMsp has never has a friendly way of dealing with a time-line means that more and more users are 'forced' to buy live + max4live. It is these kinds of decisions that make me very sceptical about commercial software. Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 23:06, Victor Lazzarini wrote: What do you mean re: discontinuing plug-in compatibility? On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:55, Peiman Khosravi wrote: It's a real pity that cycling74 decided to discontinue plug-in compatibility. I don't personally don't find Live very attractive for studio work. Nevertheless, I'd be very interested to hear about your experience. Keep us updated! Best, Peiman On 25 Jul 2010, at 20:37, gary hiebner wrote: I am on a Mac (10.5.8) and have Ableton 8. I am wanting to get Max4Live and then start using CSound in Max4Live. Is this all working perfectly. Have there been any issues with getting these to work with each other? Can't wait to test this out. Next I am going to rewire Ableton to Logic, then I will be able to use all the capabilities of Logic, Ableton, and Max and Csound under one roof. Possibilities sound endless then. 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