Happy New Year cSounders!

Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and expertise of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and developments at cSounds.com!

[+] Check it Out:  http://csounds.com

We are working now to re-organize and update all the previous content and add much much more.

[+] Help us: If you find something is broken or missing - email Cesare or me.

cesare@poeticstudios.com or rboulanger@berklee.edu

[+] Join us:

Login.  Create an Account. Post your Csound instruments and music! You will be able to blog, post, host and share your Csound instruments, music, utilities, scripts and more.... right here on the site itself.

[+] Share your ideas: 

What would you like to see?  What would you like to be able to do?  What are you looking for?

[+] Manage a Project or a Forum @ cSounds.com:

[+] Something Very New for 2008:

We will be hosting and featuring the free resources an Activities of the One Laptop Per Child - OLPCsound - Community of developers and users - Activities, Applications, Samples, MIDIfiles, and more - from and for the Children of the World!

[+]  We need and want your feedback, ideas, involvement, and help:

As the reach of Csound grows through you and your work and the OLPCsound initiative, in 2008, cSounds.com will become a more active place to meet, correspond, collaborate and share. Your input, suggestions and feedback will be more important than ever. Help us make this online resource even more useful, helpful, and inviting.

[+]  Thank You:

For sharing, caring, asking, suggesting, explaining, teaching, and making the world a better place - through Csound.

[+]  Hope:

Wishing you all a very productive, creative and Happy New Year,

Dr. B.

PS:  Over the years... cSounds.com has evolved and grown through the time, help, advice from some amazingly wonderful and generous people: John ffitch, Jacob Joaquin, Young Choi, Juno Kang, Hans Mikelson, Steven Yi, Matt Ingalls, Greg Thompson and David Akbari

Happy New Year!

I absolutely love the new site.  It's a very professional presentation, and
is a breeze to navigate.  I think this will change the perception of Csound
for the better.  I'm looking forward to see how this new site evolves from
here.

Congratulations!
Jake

---- 
The Csound Blog 
http://www.thumbuki.com/csound/blog  



Dr. Richard Boulanger-3 wrote:
> 
> Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and expertise  
> of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
> over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new  
> organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and  
> developments at cSounds.com!
> 

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Looks great, would it be possible to add a link to Lettuce under the
front-ends section? Cheers,

Rory.



> Happy New Year cSounders!
>
> Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and expertise
> of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
> over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new
> organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and
> developments at cSounds.com!
>
>
>
> [+] Check it Out:  http://csounds.com
>
> We are working now to re-organize and update all the previous content
> and add much much more.
>
>
>
> [+] Help us: If you find something is broken or missing - email
> Cesare or me.
>
> cesare@poeticstudios.com or rboulanger@berklee.edu
>
>
>
> [+] Join us:
>
> Login.  Create an Account. Post your Csound instruments and music!
> You will be able to blog, post, host and share your Csound
> instruments, music, utilities, scripts and more.... right here on the
> site itself.
>
>
> [+] Share your ideas:
>
> What would you like to see?  What would you like to be able to do?
> What are you looking for?
>
>
>
> [+] Manage a Project or a Forum @ cSounds.com:
>
> Now YOU can maintain a project and/or administer forums.  To do so,
> you should create an
> account on the website and then send us an email so that we can
> upgrade your account permissions
> and give you administrator access.
>
>
> [+] Something Very New for 2008:
>
> We will be hosting and featuring the free resources an Activities of
> the One Laptop Per Child - OLPCsound - Community of developers and
> users - Activities, Applications, Samples, MIDIfiles, and more - from
> and for the Children of the World!
>
>
>
> [+]  We need and want your feedback, ideas, involvement, and help:
>
> As the reach of Csound grows through you and your work and the
> OLPCsound initiative, in 2008, cSounds.com will become a more active
> place to meet, correspond, collaborate and share. Your input,
> suggestions and feedback will be more important than ever. Help us
> make this online resource even more useful, helpful, and inviting.
>
>
>
> [+]  Thank You:
>
> For sharing, caring, asking, suggesting, explaining, teaching, and
> making the world a better place - through Csound.
>
>
>
> [+]  Hope:
>
> Wishing you all a very productive, creative and Happy New Year,
>
>
>
> Dr. B.
>
>
>
> PS:  Over the years... cSounds.com has evolved and grown through the
> time, help, advice from some amazingly wonderful and generous people:
> John ffitch, Jacob Joaquin, Young Choi, Juno Kang, Hans Mikelson,
> Steven Yi, Matt Ingalls, Greg Thompson and David Akbari
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
> csound"

Added.

Cheers,

-c.

Rory Walsh wrote:
> Looks great, would it be possible to add a link to Lettuce under the
> front-ends section? Cheers,
>
> Rory.
>
>
>
>   
>> Happy New Year cSounders!
>>
>> Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and expertise
>> of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
>> over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new
>> organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and
>> developments at cSounds.com!
>>
>>
>>
>> [+] Check it Out:  http://csounds.com
>>
>> We are working now to re-organize and update all the previous content
>> and add much much more.
>>
>>
>>
>> [+] Help us: If you find something is broken or missing - email
>> Cesare or me.
>>
>> cesare@poeticstudios.com or rboulanger@berklee.edu
>>
>>
>>
>> [+] Join us:
>>
>> Login.  Create an Account. Post your Csound instruments and music!
>> You will be able to blog, post, host and share your Csound
>> instruments, music, utilities, scripts and more.... right here on the
>> site itself.
>>
>>
>> [+] Share your ideas:
>>
>> What would you like to see?  What would you like to be able to do?
>> What are you looking for?
>>
>>
>>
>> [+] Manage a Project or a Forum @ cSounds.com:
>>
>> Now YOU can maintain a project and/or administer forums.  To do so,
>> you should create an
>> account on the website and then send us an email so that we can
>> upgrade your account permissions
>> and give you administrator access.
>>
>>
>> [+] Something Very New for 2008:
>>
>> We will be hosting and featuring the free resources an Activities of
>> the One Laptop Per Child - OLPCsound - Community of developers and
>> users - Activities, Applications, Samples, MIDIfiles, and more - from
>> and for the Children of the World!
>>
>>
>>
>> [+]  We need and want your feedback, ideas, involvement, and help:
>>
>> As the reach of Csound grows through you and your work and the
>> OLPCsound initiative, in 2008, cSounds.com will become a more active
>> place to meet, correspond, collaborate and share. Your input,
>> suggestions and feedback will be more important than ever. Help us
>> make this online resource even more useful, helpful, and inviting.
>>
>>
>>
>> [+]  Thank You:
>>
>> For sharing, caring, asking, suggesting, explaining, teaching, and
>> making the world a better place - through Csound.
>>
>>
>>
>> [+]  Hope:
>>
>> Wishing you all a very productive, creative and Happy New Year,
>>
>>
>>
>> Dr. B.
>>
>>
>>
>> PS:  Over the years... cSounds.com has evolved and grown through the
>> time, help, advice from some amazingly wonderful and generous people:
>> John ffitch, Jacob Joaquin, Young Choi, Juno Kang, Hans Mikelson,
>> Steven Yi, Matt Ingalls, Greg Thompson and David Akbari
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body "unsubscribe
>> csound"
>>     
>
>
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>
>
>   


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Hello,

The site is looking so much better, nice :-)

Just to mention that there are some dead links (remaining from the  
older days I think). For instance in utilities (http:// 
www.csounds.com/utilities/) these links I have tried are not found:  
hYdra, Score11, cecilia, Drumachine, Cecilia Sources and Linux Csound  
Tools & Sources.

Thanks
Peiman


On 1 Jan 2008, at 23:41, Cesare Marilungo wrote:

> Added.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -c.
>
> Rory Walsh wrote:
>> Looks great, would it be possible to add a link to Lettuce under the
>> front-ends section? Cheers,
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Happy New Year cSounders!
>>>
>>> Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and  
>>> expertise
>>> of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
>>> over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new
>>> organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and
>>> developments at cSounds.com!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Check it Out:  http://csounds.com
>>>
>>> We are working now to re-organize and update all the previous  
>>> content
>>> and add much much more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Help us: If you find something is broken or missing - email
>>> Cesare or me.
>>>
>>> cesare@poeticstudios.com or rboulanger@berklee.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Join us:
>>>
>>> Login.  Create an Account. Post your Csound instruments and music!
>>> You will be able to blog, post, host and share your Csound
>>> instruments, music, utilities, scripts and more.... right here on  
>>> the
>>> site itself.
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Share your ideas:
>>>
>>> What would you like to see?  What would you like to be able to do?
>>> What are you looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Manage a Project or a Forum @ cSounds.com:
>>>
>>> Now YOU can maintain a project and/or administer forums.  To do so,
>>> you should create an
>>> account on the website and then send us an email so that we can
>>> upgrade your account permissions
>>> and give you administrator access.
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Something Very New for 2008:
>>>
>>> We will be hosting and featuring the free resources an Activities of
>>> the One Laptop Per Child - OLPCsound - Community of developers and
>>> users - Activities, Applications, Samples, MIDIfiles, and more -  
>>> from
>>> and for the Children of the World!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+]  We need and want your feedback, ideas, involvement, and help:
>>>
>>> As the reach of Csound grows through you and your work and the
>>> OLPCsound initiative, in 2008, cSounds.com will become a more active
>>> place to meet, correspond, collaborate and share. Your input,
>>> suggestions and feedback will be more important than ever. Help us
>>> make this online resource even more useful, helpful, and inviting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+]  Thank You:
>>>
>>> For sharing, caring, asking, suggesting, explaining, teaching, and
>>> making the world a better place - through Csound.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+]  Hope:
>>>
>>> Wishing you all a very productive, creative and Happy New Year,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. B.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS:  Over the years... cSounds.com has evolved and grown through the
>>> time, help, advice from some amazingly wonderful and generous  
>>> people:
>>> John ffitch, Jacob Joaquin, Young Choi, Juno Kang, Hans Mikelson,
>>> Steven Yi, Matt Ingalls, Greg Thompson and David Akbari
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body  
>>> "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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>>
>
>
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>
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Thank you, Peiman!  :-)

Yes, you're right. All the pages with the old layout (those not served 
by Drupal) have been just linked and they may contain broken links. 
Soon, all this content will be migrated to the new website and it will 
be cleaned up and checked.

Best,

-c.

Peiman Khosravi wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The site is looking so much better, nice :-)
>
> Just to mention that there are some dead links (remaining from the 
> older days I think). For instance in utilities 
> (http://www.csounds.com/utilities/) these links I have tried are not 
> found: hYdra, Score11, cecilia, Drumachine, Cecilia Sources and Linux 
> Csound Tools & Sources.
>
> Thanks
> Peiman
>
>
> On 1 Jan 2008, at 23:41, Cesare Marilungo wrote:
>
>> Added.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> -c.
>>
>> Rory Walsh wrote:
>>> Looks great, would it be possible to add a link to Lettuce under the
>>> front-ends section? Cheers,
>>>
>>> Rory.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Happy New Year cSounders!
>>>>
>>>> Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and expertise
>>>> of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
>>>> over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new
>>>> organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and
>>>> developments at cSounds.com!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+] Check it Out:  http://csounds.com
>>>>
>>>> We are working now to re-organize and update all the previous content
>>>> and add much much more.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+] Help us: If you find something is broken or missing - email
>>>> Cesare or me.
>>>>
>>>> cesare@poeticstudios.com or rboulanger@berklee.edu
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+] Join us:
>>>>
>>>> Login.  Create an Account. Post your Csound instruments and music!
>>>> You will be able to blog, post, host and share your Csound
>>>> instruments, music, utilities, scripts and more.... right here on the
>>>> site itself.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+] Share your ideas:
>>>>
>>>> What would you like to see?  What would you like to be able to do?
>>>> What are you looking for?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+] Manage a Project or a Forum @ cSounds.com:
>>>>
>>>> Now YOU can maintain a project and/or administer forums.  To do so,
>>>> you should create an
>>>> account on the website and then send us an email so that we can
>>>> upgrade your account permissions
>>>> and give you administrator access.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+] Something Very New for 2008:
>>>>
>>>> We will be hosting and featuring the free resources an Activities of
>>>> the One Laptop Per Child - OLPCsound - Community of developers and
>>>> users - Activities, Applications, Samples, MIDIfiles, and more - from
>>>> and for the Children of the World!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+]  We need and want your feedback, ideas, involvement, and help:
>>>>
>>>> As the reach of Csound grows through you and your work and the
>>>> OLPCsound initiative, in 2008, cSounds.com will become a more active
>>>> place to meet, correspond, collaborate and share. Your input,
>>>> suggestions and feedback will be more important than ever. Help us
>>>> make this online resource even more useful, helpful, and inviting.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+]  Thank You:
>>>>
>>>> For sharing, caring, asking, suggesting, explaining, teaching, and
>>>> making the world a better place - through Csound.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [+]  Hope:
>>>>
>>>> Wishing you all a very productive, creative and Happy New Year,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dr. B.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> PS:  Over the years... cSounds.com has evolved and grown through the
>>>> time, help, advice from some amazingly wonderful and generous people:
>>>> John ffitch, Jacob Joaquin, Young Choi, Juno Kang, Hans Mikelson,
>>>> Steven Yi, Matt Ingalls, Greg Thompson and David Akbari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body 
>>>> "unsubscribe
>>>> csound"
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
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>>
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>>
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Thanks, I really like the new site, I look forward to seeing it develop
over the next few months.

Rory.


> Added.
>
> Cheers,
>
> -c.
>
> Rory Walsh wrote:
>> Looks great, would it be possible to add a link to Lettuce under the
>> front-ends section? Cheers,
>>
>> Rory.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Happy New Year cSounders!
>>>
>>> Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and expertise
>>> of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
>>> over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new
>>> organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and
>>> developments at cSounds.com!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Check it Out:  http://csounds.com
>>>
>>> We are working now to re-organize and update all the previous content
>>> and add much much more.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Help us: If you find something is broken or missing - email
>>> Cesare or me.
>>>
>>> cesare@poeticstudios.com or rboulanger@berklee.edu
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Join us:
>>>
>>> Login.  Create an Account. Post your Csound instruments and music!
>>> You will be able to blog, post, host and share your Csound
>>> instruments, music, utilities, scripts and more.... right here on the
>>> site itself.
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Share your ideas:
>>>
>>> What would you like to see?  What would you like to be able to do?
>>> What are you looking for?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Manage a Project or a Forum @ cSounds.com:
>>>
>>> Now YOU can maintain a project and/or administer forums.  To do so,
>>> you should create an
>>> account on the website and then send us an email so that we can
>>> upgrade your account permissions
>>> and give you administrator access.
>>>
>>>
>>> [+] Something Very New for 2008:
>>>
>>> We will be hosting and featuring the free resources an Activities of
>>> the One Laptop Per Child - OLPCsound - Community of developers and
>>> users - Activities, Applications, Samples, MIDIfiles, and more - from
>>> and for the Children of the World!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+]  We need and want your feedback, ideas, involvement, and help:
>>>
>>> As the reach of Csound grows through you and your work and the
>>> OLPCsound initiative, in 2008, cSounds.com will become a more active
>>> place to meet, correspond, collaborate and share. Your input,
>>> suggestions and feedback will be more important than ever. Help us
>>> make this online resource even more useful, helpful, and inviting.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+]  Thank You:
>>>
>>> For sharing, caring, asking, suggesting, explaining, teaching, and
>>> making the world a better place - through Csound.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> [+]  Hope:
>>>
>>> Wishing you all a very productive, creative and Happy New Year,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Dr. B.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> PS:  Over the years... cSounds.com has evolved and grown through the
>>> time, help, advice from some amazingly wonderful and generous people:
>>> John ffitch, Jacob Joaquin, Young Choi, Juno Kang, Hans Mikelson,
>>> Steven Yi, Matt Ingalls, Greg Thompson and David Akbari
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to this list.
>>> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body
>>> "unsubscribe
>>> csound"
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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In my opinion, Ian McCurdys Realtime Examples should have a place at  
the "Quick links" on the main page. They are a something like a  
"Quick start" to Csound5, and give a intuitive introduction to the  
power of Csound. Everyone who comes to the site and is just curious  
what Csound can do, will have an easy way to check it with this  
collection. There should be just
1) a small intruduction for a quick start, and
2) the samples included (at the moment they have to be downloaded  
seperately, though they are not large).

	joachim

Thanks for the advice.  I completely agree about Ian's work and  
suggest that we add it as well..

-dB
On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:23 PM, joachim heintz wrote:

> In my opinion, Ian McCurdys Realtime Examples should have a place  
> at the "Quick links" on the main page. They are a something like a  
> "Quick start" to Csound5, and give a intuitive introduction to the  
> power of Csound. Everyone who comes to the site and is just curious  
> what Csound can do, will have an easy way to check it with this  
> collection. There should be just
> 1) a small intruduction for a quick start, and
> 2) the samples included (at the moment they have to be downloaded  
> seperately, though they are not large).
>
> 	joachim
>
>
> Send bugs reports to this list.
> To unsubscribe, send email sympa@lists.bath.ac.uk with body  
> "unsubscribe csound"

We're still reorganizing and cleaning up the 'resources' and the 
'tutorials' pages.

But my advice is to avoid putting too much stuff in each place. This was 
a problem of the old site and one of the main goals of this new effort 
was to avoid this and make the website less confusing.

Moreover, I believe that visitors should be encouraged to visit the 
inner pages, and this is why the navigation should be clean.

In the end - but, again, this is just my opinion - I would like to see 
*just one* introductory tutorial in the quick links. Which one? I don't 
know. Ideally, it should be up-to-date and easy to understand but it 
should also give a wide overview of the various ways to use csound.

Moreover I would like to integrate the tutorial we'll choose into the 
new website (using the Drupal book module), dividing it in as many pages 
as possible so that new users could add comments and ask for 
clarifications right below the pages.

Since it would be difficult to agree on which tutorial to use for this, 
some fellow csounders could write one (from scratch or otherwise 
integrating the material gathered from existing tutorials) with this 
goal in mind.

I'm just thinking out loud. What do you think?

-c.

Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote:
> Thanks for the advice.  I completely agree about Ian's work and 
> suggest that we add it as well..
>
> -dB
> On Jan 2, 2008, at 12:23 PM, joachim heintz wrote:
>
>> In my opinion, Ian McCurdys Realtime Examples should have a place at 
>> the "Quick links" on the main page. They are a something like a 
>> "Quick start" to Csound5, and give a intuitive introduction to the 
>> power of Csound. Everyone who comes to the site and is just curious 
>> what Csound can do, will have an easy way to check it with this 
>> collection. There should be just
>> 1) a small intruduction for a quick start, and
>> 2) the samples included (at the moment they have to be downloaded 
>> seperately, though they are not large).
>>
>>     joachim
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to this list.
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Cesare Marilungo wrote:
> 
> But my advice is to avoid putting too much stuff in each place. This was 
> a problem of the old site and one of the main goals of this new effort 
> was to avoid this and make the website less confusing.
> 

I couldn't agree more.  Back in the day, there was no central hub for Csound
info, and the information that was out there was sparse.  The original front
page, and then cSounds.com, were the first real collections of links.  A
tremendous help they were.  Fast forward 9 years, there is so much
information out there, and much of it is outdatet, irrelevant, and in some
cases no longer correct.  In my humble opinion, if cSounds.com is to
continue to try and keeps tabs of every Csound related link on the web, at
least pull the best of the best and put these links at the top of the page
so they are easily accessible.

I would also focus on catering to the Csound curious and beginners.  Csound
is very intimidating, and removing as many barriers as possible will only
help grow the community.




Cesare Marilungo wrote:
> 
> In the end - but, again, this is just my opinion - I would like to see 
> *just one* introductory tutorial in the quick links. Which one? I don't 
> know. Ideally, it should be up-to-date and easy to understand but it 
> should also give a wide overview of the various ways to use csound.
> 

Once again, I agree.  The introductory tutorial that is currently listed in
quick links, though a great text, is far too complex for those new Csound. 
Personally, I'm not sure if that golden beginner tutorial even exists. 
Though the one that gets the closest, in my opinion, is Dr. B's "An
Instrument Design TOOTorial."  

I like the idea of creating one from scratch or a frankenstein composed of
all the best parts of existing tutorials.  I would imagine that a good intro
tutorial should discuss the fundamentals of the Csound basics, a bit of
beginner synthesizer theory, and talk a little bit about composition.  And
plenty of examples that showcase the depth and richness Csound has to offer.

Perhaps if those who teach or have taught Csound could share with us some of
the biggest obstacles students come across when learning the language.  I
think that would help tremendously in setting a path.

*end rant*  :)

Best,
Jake

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I'd also vote for Dr. B's "classic" TOOT. As I suggested, together  
with Ian's Realtime Examples this could be a good way to come into  
Csound - the one in a more traditional way (and with a reference to  
the Csound Book), the other showing the new interactive Csound with a  
programmable FLTK GUI.
I think it's not too much for the "Quick links" to have both; and  
both should include a good "how to install Csound and run the  
examples" for all platforms, so that everyone can download Csound and  
listen to the examples in half an hour or so.
	joachim



Am 03.01.2008 um 07:23 schrieb Jacob Joaquin:
>
>
> Cesare Marilungo wrote:
>>
>> In the end - but, again, this is just my opinion - I would like to  
>> see
>> *just one* introductory tutorial in the quick links. Which one? I  
>> don't
>> know. Ideally, it should be up-to-date and easy to understand but it
>> should also give a wide overview of the various ways to use csound.
>>
>
> Once again, I agree.  The introductory tutorial that is currently  
> listed in
> quick links, though a great text, is far too complex for those new  
> Csound.
> Personally, I'm not sure if that golden beginner tutorial even exists.
> Though the one that gets the closest, in my opinion, is Dr. B's "An
> Instrument Design TOOTorial."
>

Here are some example tutorials for another open source project that,
although not perfect, are very readable and at an appropriate level for
beginners:

http://www.blender.org/education-help/tutorials/getting-started/

I think this would be a good model to try to emulate, especially "Blender
3D: Noob to Pro".

Thanks,
Dale

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From: joachim heintz [mailto:jh@joachimheintz.de] 
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To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: A New Beginning: Check Out *The New cSounds.com*

I'd also vote for Dr. B's "classic" TOOT. As I suggested, together  
with Ian's Realtime Examples this could be a good way to come into  
Csound - the one in a more traditional way (and with a reference to  
the Csound Book), the other showing the new interactive Csound with a  
programmable FLTK GUI.
I think it's not too much for the "Quick links" to have both; and  
both should include a good "how to install Csound and run the  
examples" for all platforms, so that everyone can download Csound and  
listen to the examples in half an hour or so.
	joachim



Am 03.01.2008 um 07:23 schrieb Jacob Joaquin:
>
>
> Cesare Marilungo wrote:
>>
>> In the end - but, again, this is just my opinion - I would like to  
>> see
>> *just one* introductory tutorial in the quick links. Which one? I  
>> don't
>> know. Ideally, it should be up-to-date and easy to understand but it
>> should also give a wide overview of the various ways to use csound.
>>
>
> Once again, I agree.  The introductory tutorial that is currently  
> listed in
> quick links, though a great text, is far too complex for those new  
> Csound.
> Personally, I'm not sure if that golden beginner tutorial even exists.
> Though the one that gets the closest, in my opinion, is Dr. B's "An
> Instrument Design TOOTorial."
>


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The new site is awesome!  Thanks to Dr. B, Cesare, and everyone else who is
working on it.

The new look is very professional -- simple and elegant -- and it is easy to
find the most relevant downloads and information.  And I love how quickly it
loads and displays on my ten year old computer!!  Finally, the individual
and aggregated Csound blogs are brilliant :)

Keep up the great work ^_^

Anthony Kozar
mailing-lists-1001 AT anthonykozar DOT net
http://anthonykozar.net/

Dr. Richard Boulanger wrote on 1/1/08 1:02 PM:

> Thanks to the incredible initiative, talent, dedication and expertise
> of our brilliant new administrator - Cesare Marilungo,
> over the next few weeks and months, you will enjoy a new look, a new
> organization, and *many, many, many* new features, resources and
> developments at cSounds.com!

> [+] Help us: If you find something is broken or missing - email
> Cesare or me.

> [+] Join us:
> 
> Login.  Create an Account. Post your Csound instruments and music!
> You will be able to blog, post, host and share your Csound
> instruments, music, utilities, scripts and more.... right here on the
> site itself.

I am happy that you like the new site.  I am thrilled too.  It is so  
much easier for
me to update and modify things.

More features are coming too!!

-dB

PS...  I agree - we ALL were wishing for MacCsound5
so we could run it on  our intel MacBooks for Christmas!!!!

(As you know, you can install the PPC version of Csound5 and use
the current MacCsound - which I do at Berklee)

How's it going Matt?  You are teaching Csound this semester.  It  
would be great
if all of the macUsers could be teaching Csound with your new intel  
version of
that fantastic MacCsound frontend!

-dB

On Jan 5, 2008, at 11:00 AM, Toby Chappell wrote:

> I like this version leaps and bounds over the old version.  Thanks a
> lot to all who made this happen!
>
> Now if I could just get the universal binary version of MacCSound my
> Csound life would be complete :-)
>
>
> -Toby
>
>
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> How's it going Matt?  You are teaching Csound this semester.

no - long story that i don't need to get worked-up agoin thinking 
about it..


It would be 
> great
> if all of the macUsers could be teaching Csound with your new intel version 
> of
> that fantastic MacCsound frontend!


well it's not going that well.  main (known) issue is the 3rd party 
text editor engine i use has been sold and only the new versions have been 
compiled for intel.  i was able to download the fully functional demo 
version and comment out enough of the old (4th party) utility wrapper to 
get it to compile but technically i am supposed to pay (or negotiate?) a license.

so i do have the code compiling, however it crashes on launch and i 
temporarily gave up trying to figure out why.  i'll give it another try 
soon, but i may soon move to planB which would be compile MacCsound on PPC 
without linking to CsoundLib (so it can at least run in rosetta while 
having intel Csound5 installed) and then have MacCsound only "complie" 
csds to commandline, standalone app, or AUs. converting the gui i/o stuff 
will take time, though..

-m

Hi Matt, happy new year. The syntax editor I use for Lettuce is also
closed source, which is the main reason why Lettuce hasn't gone cross
platform or most likely will not in its current guise at least. Lately I
have been experimenting with Scintella and it's really good, plus it's
open source and it has a lot more features such as folding indentation and
things like that. Maybe it might be worth taking a look at.

Rory.



>
>> How's it going Matt?  You are teaching Csound this semester.
>
> no - long story that i don't need to get worked-up agoin thinking
> about it..
>
>
> It would be
>> great
>> if all of the macUsers could be teaching Csound with your new intel
>> version
>> of
>> that fantastic MacCsound frontend!
>
>
> well it's not going that well.  main (known) issue is the 3rd party
> text editor engine i use has been sold and only the new versions have been
> compiled for intel.  i was able to download the fully functional demo
> version and comment out enough of the old (4th party) utility wrapper to
> get it to compile but technically i am supposed to pay (or negotiate?) a
> license.
>
> so i do have the code compiling, however it crashes on launch and i
> temporarily gave up trying to figure out why.  i'll give it another try
> soon, but i may soon move to planB which would be compile MacCsound on PPC
> without linking to CsoundLib (so it can at least run in rosetta while
> having intel Csound5 installed) and then have MacCsound only "complie"
> csds to commandline, standalone app, or AUs. converting the gui i/o stuff
> will take time, though..
>
> -m
>
>
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Rory Walsh wrote:
> platform or most likely will not in its current guise at least. Lately I
> have been experimenting with Scintella and it's really good, plus it's
> things like that. Maybe it might be worth taking a look at.

i'll take a look.. but, osx does provide a fully functional text editor 
already with a couple 
lines of code (see the CsoundX demo app in cvs) - syntax highlighting and 
csound-specific formatting would be the only thing needed to add.

===

however i would be interested in working on some kind of new 
cross-platform initiative looking beyond
lettuce/cabbage/maccsound
(as we already had some private communication about)

here are things i am thinking of recently (hopefully i am clear enough):

+ rather than explicitly assigning channels for every widget property - 
and so we could dynamically change them in real-time, there needs to be 
some other kind of channel-bus specification.

i guess we ~could~ just use string variables -- something like:

gS1 chnexport "myWidget", 3
gS1 sprintfk  "size:%d color:1,.3,0,.5 value:%d name:%s", ksiz, kval, Snam

a move towards polymorphism - plus this would also allow for 
flexibility - gui implementations would not be required to support 
everything.. the "myWidget" above could be anything/nothing on any 
platform - if it were running as a VST plugin, perhaps only "name" and 
"value" would be 
used, and the plugin itself would create a user interface on the fly.
but the same instrument could be used with some UI the user created in 
some WYSISWYG interface-builder or a cabbage-like text syntax.

would
      gS1 = "value:.5"
be the same as
     gk1 = .5
?? i haven't thought it all the way through...



+ a (text or graphic) orc editor that can display all variables' values 
(text or graphic) while running - for debugging, etc..   for example, one 
thing i envisioned is you have something like:

instr 11
   ksig line 100, p3, 200
   asig oscili 1, ksig, 1
        out asig
endin

and then when you run it, the variables turn to their actual values at 
that exact moment, so say at one point in time it might look like:

instr 11
   120 line 100, 10, 200
   .2345 oscili 1, 120, 1
         out .2345  ; <-- could have option for display as
 				; 1stvalue, peak, or rms 
endin


obviously there are things to deal with when multiple instances, etc
maybe for something more verbose it could look like:


instr 11[0,2,3] ;<--p2 values - this shows we have 3 running instances
   ksig[180,120,110] line 100, p3[10,3,7], 200
   asig[.2345,-.97,.1] oscili 1, ksig[180,120,110], 1
         out asig[.2345,-.97,.1]
endin


and i assume it wouldn't be difficult to translate this concept into some 
kind of graphical representation

-m

This sounds good Matt. The best thing about it is as you say that
orchestras and scores wouldn't be tied to one particular frontend
implementation as they are now. In terms of implementation I wouldn't know
where to start however...

Rory.


> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Rory Walsh wrote:
>> platform or most likely will not in its current guise at least. Lately I
>> have been experimenting with Scintella and it's really good, plus it's
>> things like that. Maybe it might be worth taking a look at.
>
> i'll take a look.. but, osx does provide a fully functional text editor
> already with a couple
> lines of code (see the CsoundX demo app in cvs) - syntax highlighting and
> csound-specific formatting would be the only thing needed to add.
>
> ===
>
> however i would be interested in working on some kind of new
> cross-platform initiative looking beyond
> lettuce/cabbage/maccsound
> (as we already had some private communication about)
>
> here are things i am thinking of recently (hopefully i am clear enough):
>
> + rather than explicitly assigning channels for every widget property -
> and so we could dynamically change them in real-time, there needs to be
> some other kind of channel-bus specification.
>
> i guess we ~could~ just use string variables -- something like:
>
> gS1 chnexport "myWidget", 3
> gS1 sprintfk  "size:%d color:1,.3,0,.5 value:%d name:%s", ksiz, kval, Snam
>
> a move towards polymorphism - plus this would also allow for
> flexibility - gui implementations would not be required to support
> everything.. the "myWidget" above could be anything/nothing on any
> platform - if it were running as a VST plugin, perhaps only "name" and
> "value" would be
> used, and the plugin itself would create a user interface on the fly.
> but the same instrument could be used with some UI the user created in
> some WYSISWYG interface-builder or a cabbage-like text syntax.
>
> would
>       gS1 = "value:.5"
> be the same as
>      gk1 = .5
> ?? i haven't thought it all the way through...
>
>
>
> + a (text or graphic) orc editor that can display all variables' values
> (text or graphic) while running - for debugging, etc..   for example, one
> thing i envisioned is you have something like:
>
> instr 11
>    ksig line 100, p3, 200
>    asig oscili 1, ksig, 1
>         out asig
> endin
>
> and then when you run it, the variables turn to their actual values at
> that exact moment, so say at one point in time it might look like:
>
> instr 11
>    120 line 100, 10, 200
>    .2345 oscili 1, 120, 1
>          out .2345  ; <-- could have option for display as
>  				; 1stvalue, peak, or rms
> endin
>
>
> obviously there are things to deal with when multiple instances, etc
> maybe for something more verbose it could look like:
>
>
> instr 11[0,2,3] ;<--p2 values - this shows we have 3 running instances
>    ksig[180,120,110] line 100, p3[10,3,7], 200
>    asig[.2345,-.97,.1] oscili 1, ksig[180,120,110], 1
>          out asig[.2345,-.97,.1]
> endin
>
>
> and i assume it wouldn't be difficult to translate this concept into some
> kind of graphical representation
>
> -m
>
>
>
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> csound"
>

Hi,
I really like the idea of a unified cross-platform editor with widgets.
The idea tha values are displayed inside the orchestra text also sounds
fantastic, that would make me say goodbye to pure data for good =).
I wouldn't know where to start either, but I guess it would be hard to
get everyone to agree on a particular set of tools. I would propose Qt,
which I've used lately, is cross-platform and is quite easy to use.


Cheers,
Andrés

El sáb, 05-01-2008 a las 16:18 -0800, Matt J. Ingalls escribió:
> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Rory Walsh wrote:
> > platform or most likely will not in its current guise at least. Lately I
> > have been experimenting with Scintella and it's really good, plus it's
> > things like that. Maybe it might be worth taking a look at.
> 
> i'll take a look.. but, osx does provide a fully functional text editor 
> already with a couple 
> lines of code (see the CsoundX demo app in cvs) - syntax highlighting and 
> csound-specific formatting would be the only thing needed to add.
> 
> ===
> 
> however i would be interested in working on some kind of new 
> cross-platform initiative looking beyond
> lettuce/cabbage/maccsound
> (as we already had some private communication about)
> 
> here are things i am thinking of recently (hopefully i am clear enough):
> 
> + rather than explicitly assigning channels for every widget property - 
> and so we could dynamically change them in real-time, there needs to be 
> some other kind of channel-bus specification.
> 
> i guess we ~could~ just use string variables -- something like:
> 
> gS1 chnexport "myWidget", 3
> gS1 sprintfk  "size:%d color:1,.3,0,.5 value:%d name:%s", ksiz, kval, Snam
> 
> a move towards polymorphism - plus this would also allow for 
> flexibility - gui implementations would not be required to support 
> everything.. the "myWidget" above could be anything/nothing on any 
> platform - if it were running as a VST plugin, perhaps only "name" and 
> "value" would be 
> used, and the plugin itself would create a user interface on the fly.
> but the same instrument could be used with some UI the user created in 
> some WYSISWYG interface-builder or a cabbage-like text syntax.
> 
> would
>       gS1 = "value:.5"
> be the same as
>      gk1 = .5
> ?? i haven't thought it all the way through...
> 
> 
> 
> + a (text or graphic) orc editor that can display all variables' values 
> (text or graphic) while running - for debugging, etc..   for example, one 
> thing i envisioned is you have something like:
> 
> instr 11
>    ksig line 100, p3, 200
>    asig oscili 1, ksig, 1
>         out asig
> endin
> 
> and then when you run it, the variables turn to their actual values at 
> that exact moment, so say at one point in time it might look like:
> 
> instr 11
>    120 line 100, 10, 200
>    .2345 oscili 1, 120, 1
>          out .2345  ; <-- could have option for display as
>  				; 1stvalue, peak, or rms 
> endin
> 
> 
> obviously there are things to deal with when multiple instances, etc
> maybe for something more verbose it could look like:
> 
> 
> instr 11[0,2,3] ;<--p2 values - this shows we have 3 running instances
>    ksig[180,120,110] line 100, p3[10,3,7], 200
>    asig[.2345,-.97,.1] oscili 1, ksig[180,120,110], 1
>          out asig[.2345,-.97,.1]
> endin
> 
> 
> and i assume it wouldn't be difficult to translate this concept into some 
> kind of graphical representation
> 
> -m
> 
> 
> 
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I've already developed a set of cross-platform Csound widgets in wxWidgets
which I will be releasing soon, at the LAC2008 in fact, plug, plug....
However, I think Matt's suggestion, correct me if I'm wrong, hasn't all
that much to do with ONE GUI toolkit which as you point out will be hard
to agree on but instead would pave the way for any widget system to be
interchanged easily, for example MacCsound widgets, Lettuce widgets,
Victor's pyGTK toolkit, csLADSPA, etc. could all be interchanged without
changing the underlying Csound code.

A cross-platform editor would also be nice but I don't think that is too
important as there are enough editors out there with enough similar
features that users have quite a choice already no matter what platform
they use. My suggestion would be to simply integrate the current csEditor
into csoundGUI more elegantly. In fact I would be in favour of replacing
csoundGUI with an improved csEditor which would come with the
functionality of csoundGUI but have simple transport buttons for play,
pause, stop, etc in the main editor frame. I have to say here that I don't
have any experience with FLTK nor am I too interested in learning but I
think there are a few developers out there would might find this child's
play?

Rory.




> Hi,
> I really like the idea of a unified cross-platform editor with widgets.
> The idea tha values are displayed inside the orchestra text also sounds
> fantastic, that would make me say goodbye to pure data for good =).
> I wouldn't know where to start either, but I guess it would be hard to
> get everyone to agree on a particular set of tools. I would propose Qt,
> which I've used lately, is cross-platform and is quite easy to use.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Andrés
>
> El sáb, 05-01-2008 a las 16:18 -0800, Matt J. Ingalls escribió:
>> On Sat, 5 Jan 2008, Rory Walsh wrote:
>> > platform or most likely will not in its current guise at least. Lately
>> I
>> > have been experimenting with Scintella and it's really good, plus it's
>> > things like that. Maybe it might be worth taking a look at.
>>
>> i'll take a look.. but, osx does provide a fully functional text editor
>> already with a couple
>> lines of code (see the CsoundX demo app in cvs) - syntax highlighting
>> and
>> csound-specific formatting would be the only thing needed to add.
>>
>> ===
>>
>> however i would be interested in working on some kind of new
>> cross-platform initiative looking beyond
>> lettuce/cabbage/maccsound
>> (as we already had some private communication about)
>>
>> here are things i am thinking of recently (hopefully i am clear enough):
>>
>> + rather than explicitly assigning channels for every widget property -
>> and so we could dynamically change them in real-time, there needs to be
>> some other kind of channel-bus specification.
>>
>> i guess we ~could~ just use string variables -- something like:
>>
>> gS1 chnexport "myWidget", 3
>> gS1 sprintfk  "size:%d color:1,.3,0,.5 value:%d name:%s", ksiz, kval,
>> Snam
>>
>> a move towards polymorphism - plus this would also allow for
>> flexibility - gui implementations would not be required to support
>> everything.. the "myWidget" above could be anything/nothing on any
>> platform - if it were running as a VST plugin, perhaps only "name" and
>> "value" would be
>> used, and the plugin itself would create a user interface on the fly.
>> but the same instrument could be used with some UI the user created in
>> some WYSISWYG interface-builder or a cabbage-like text syntax.
>>
>> would
>>       gS1 = "value:.5"
>> be the same as
>>      gk1 = .5
>> ?? i haven't thought it all the way through...
>>
>>
>>
>> + a (text or graphic) orc editor that can display all variables' values
>> (text or graphic) while running - for debugging, etc..   for example,
>> one
>> thing i envisioned is you have something like:
>>
>> instr 11
>>    ksig line 100, p3, 200
>>    asig oscili 1, ksig, 1
>>         out asig
>> endin
>>
>> and then when you run it, the variables turn to their actual values at
>> that exact moment, so say at one point in time it might look like:
>>
>> instr 11
>>    120 line 100, 10, 200
>>    .2345 oscili 1, 120, 1
>>          out .2345  ; <-- could have option for display as
>>  				; 1stvalue, peak, or rms
>> endin
>>
>>
>> obviously there are things to deal with when multiple instances, etc
>> maybe for something more verbose it could look like:
>>
>>
>> instr 11[0,2,3] ;<--p2 values - this shows we have 3 running instances
>>    ksig[180,120,110] line 100, p3[10,3,7], 200
>>    asig[.2345,-.97,.1] oscili 1, ksig[180,120,110], 1
>>          out asig[.2345,-.97,.1]
>> endin
>>
>>
>> and i assume it wouldn't be difficult to translate this concept into
>> some
>> kind of graphical representation
>>
>> -m
>>
>>
>>
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