My criterion for "real musician" has nothing to do with accolades -- though I certainly listen to them, to see what I might want to try listening to, myself. In fact it was indeed Wire that alerted me to Burial. I call him a "real musician," however, not because of Wire but because Burial's stuff makes me shout. And because to me it seems well put together musically, to have meaningful gestures that add up to a unified form. That is drenched in feeling. Unlike the other tips from Wire that I tried in the same shopping spree.

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Mortimer 
>Sent: Jan 12, 2008 8:53 PM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Re: [OT] Burial
>
>
>One could of course also regard the identifiction of "real musicians" as
>those who recieve critical acclaim, commercial &/or critical backing, &/or
>personal favour as questionable ; )
>
>Ditto the assertion that drum machines and string synths aren't "real
>instruments"....
>
>Which is not to berate you Michael - I'm glad that your listening to &
>enjoying Burial - it's always good to broaden one's musical horizons - & i
>agree with you in as far as what is interesting about Burial is the fact
>that he is 90% PC based....
>
>I have a friend who used to do live sets with soundforge & a MIDI sequencer
>(yes, you can treat it like a sampler by assigning MIDI triggers to the open
>audio files as far as I am aware...)
>
>If i was going to piece it together like this using Csound, i'd probably
>just use multiple diskin opcodes....(& score the triggers using conventional
>csound score notation...)
>
>
>Michael Gogins wrote:
>> 
>> This is off-topic, but if you want to see what a real musician can do with 
>> some samples of other music, samples of video game sounds, drum machines
>> and 
>> string synths, some cell-phone recordings, and SoundForge (Burial claims
>> no 
>> other software was used), check out Burial's _Untrue_.
>> 
>> A secretive, pseudonymous sort of a person, Mr. Burial. One always wonders 
>> who such people really are - if their snippets of story are true, or a 
>> story.
>> 
>> The reasons I mention this music here are (a) it is I think very good
>> music, 
>> (b) it is definitely computer music in the sense that it was made on a 
>> computer using software editors and instruments and not 'real' instruments 
>> (though it is only tangentially like what might be heard an an ICMC, say), 
>> and (c) it could not possibly have been made with Csound -- it was
>> sculpted 
>> in the, in this context, very appropriately named SoundForge. I'm
>> guessing, 
>> but I bet it took a lot of time to put this together. Of course,
>> SoundForge 
>> is a very capable sound editor: high-resolution audio, full support for 
>> looping, all kinds of built-in processing. Not multi-track though; 
>> multi-channel. Maybe you can simulate multi-track with triggering.
>> 
>> Anyone else heard this stuff?
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Mike 
>> 
>> 
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Yes, merely being pedantic for the sake of argument really.

If it's any consolation, if even Michael "csound guru" Goggins (fer criss'
sakes!) is telling me that the new Burial is good, I'm going to have to put
my cynicism (& slightly "over it" feelings) aside & give this record a
listen....

I did also think this afternoon something that might be cool for csounds
.com is if all the csounders went & listed their top 5 favourite artists,
producers, or records on a dedicated page. It would be bound to cover the
spectrum of what most of us would listen to or be interested one would think
("urban alternative" through to "art musics" basically... although i'm happy
if someone lists "the White Album" but there may not be a lot of point...) &
certainly i'd welcome any leads on interesting new (or unheard old) music to
check out.... people could update as their faves wax & wane with the
seasons...

If u listened to the new Pole as part of your explorations Mike i still urge
you to check out Pole 3 from the year 2000 & the Jan Jelinek album i
mentioned from the same year. Pole's 2007 effort i thought was a little
"mmnnmnnm.." (He's never been the same since he went digital ... not yet
anyway IMHO...)

My year 2000 (what a year!) number one however was Vladislav Delay's Entain.
It made a huge impression on me & to my mind is the closest thing to a sonic
"Blue Poles" that has ever existed. A monumental & "important" "ambient"
record of "Music for Airports" like proportions IMHO....

There wasn't a lot on that list to inspire me either Mike though I'm
afraid... here's to 2008!



Michael Gogins wrote:
> 
> My criterion for "real musician" has nothing to do with accolades --
> though I certainly listen to them, to see what I might want to try
> listening to, myself. In fact it was indeed Wire that alerted me to
> Burial. I call him a "real musician," however, not because of Wire but
> because Burial's stuff makes me shout. And because to me it seems well put
> together musically, to have meaningful gestures that add up to a unified
> form. That is drenched in feeling. Unlike the other tips from Wire that I
> tried in the same shopping spree.
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 

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Tim,

This is an excellent idea.

I would love to see Csounders use the new blogging feature
of cSounds.com to share lists and links to some of their favorite
CDs, Artists, Music.

dB

On Jan 13, 2008, at 3:59 AM, Tim Mortimer wrote:

>
> Yes, merely being pedantic for the sake of argument really.
>
> If it's any consolation, if even Michael "csound guru" Goggins (fer  
> criss'
> sakes!) is telling me that the new Burial is good, I'm going to  
> have to put
> my cynicism (& slightly "over it" feelings) aside & give this record a
> listen....
>
> I did also think this afternoon something that might be cool for  
> csounds
> .com is if all the csounders went & listed their top 5 favourite  
> artists,
> producers, or records on a dedicated page. It would be bound to  
> cover the
> spectrum of what most of us would listen to or be interested one  
> would think
> ("urban alternative" through to "art musics" basically... although  
> i'm happy
> if someone lists "the White Album" but there may not be a lot of  
> point...) &
> certainly i'd welcome any leads on interesting new (or unheard old)  
> music to
> check out.... people could update as their faves wax & wane with the
> seasons...
>
> If u listened to the new Pole as part of your explorations Mike i  
> still urge
> you to check out Pole 3 from the year 2000 & the Jan Jelinek album i
> mentioned from the same year. Pole's 2007 effort i thought was a  
> little
> "mmnnmnnm.." (He's never been the same since he went digital ...  
> not yet
> anyway IMHO...)
>
> My year 2000 (what a year!) number one however was Vladislav  
> Delay's Entain.
> It made a huge impression on me & to my mind is the closest thing  
> to a sonic
> "Blue Poles" that has ever existed. A monumental & "important"  
> "ambient"
> record of "Music for Airports" like proportions IMHO....
>
> There wasn't a lot on that list to inspire me either Mike though I'm
> afraid... here's to 2008!
>
>
>
> Michael Gogins wrote:
>>
>> My criterion for "real musician" has nothing to do with accolades --
>> though I certainly listen to them, to see what I might want to try
>> listening to, myself. In fact it was indeed Wire that alerted me to
>> Burial. I call him a "real musician," however, not because of Wire  
>> but
>> because Burial's stuff makes me shout. And because to me it seems  
>> well put
>> together musically, to have meaningful gestures that add up to a  
>> unified
>> form. That is drenched in feeling. Unlike the other tips from Wire  
>> that I
>> tried in the same shopping spree.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Mike
>>
>>
>>
>
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