_Untrue_ is a real CD. I bought it at a wonderful music store in the Village in New York called Other Music.

The cultural context is important, and I like to know about it. But in my view, it does not constitute the meaning of the music. Rather, the music, with its power, creates the cultural context. Cultural context and art feed back and forth, but the art is more fundamental.

One thing about Burial's context that may be helpful to know: he confesses to being steeped in nostalgia for an earlier phase of underground music culture where there were a lot of raves (more or less spontaneous underground DJ parties). Perhaps that was for some people a more anarchistic time in London. 

Regards,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
>From: Richard Dobson 
>Sent: Jan 13, 2008 4:50 AM
>To: csound@lists.bath.ac.uk
>Subject: [Csnd] Re: Re: [OT] Burial
>
>Um, I listened to the demo excerpt, and did rather like it, even though 
>the tracks sounded very similar. However, I have some real problems:
>
>
>Tim Mortimer wrote:
>..
>> 
>> A lot of his aesthetic 
>
>Not really sure what "his aesthetic" is...
>
>is based on Maurizio & Basic Channel, who in the mid
>> to late 90's 
>
>doesn't help - sadly, I have never heard of these, not even sure if they 
>are people or names of labels...
>
>..that are quite frankly some
>> of the most sonically seductive reductionist "heavy nosie floors" music ...
>
>I so wish this description connected with anything I know about. "noise 
>floor" music is a new label for me, heavy or otherwise ...
>
>
>As far as i'm concerned this
>> stuff makes Burial look like just another dude in a bedroom with a PC...
>> (EVERYBODY on this list should immediately go & download Burial Mix / Rhythm
>> & Sound  tracks such as "Mango Drive", "King of My Empire", "Never tell you"
>> etc etc...
>> 
>
>Where do I find these? A clue would be helpful to an "aesthetic" novice 
>such as myself...
>
>>....)
>> 
>> So fair enough, Burial takes this aesthetic, nails it onto a UK urban
>> context (by syncopating his kickdrum & swinging his high hats 
>
>I'm so glad you explained what makes "urban context "; but I thought a 
>lot of music did that...
>
>- fine by me,
>> i LOVE 2 step garage) 
>
>haven't heard of that before..never totally sure what plain "garage" is...
>
>...
>>..
>> Most other "grime" & "dubstep" i've heard has been dissapointing.... 
>> 
>
>never heard of those either...
>
>And I realise I am ~never~ going to reach a stage where I can write such 
>a deeply felt piece about all this music and all of its strange 
>descriptive idioms, adjectives and personnel! It all seems dependent not 
>on describing the sounds themselves, but on whose music they are like, 
>what culture, context or 'aesthetic" they belong to, even what part of 
>the house (?) they are made in. I will have to consult a "cool" friend 
>of mine who can tell me exactly what all this means and whether I should 
>admit to liking it or not...
>
>
>But I ~did~ rather like the album from what I heard of it. Does it 
>actually exist as a real plastic CD? If the music is "obvious", that may 
>be to my advantage!
>
>:-)
>
>Richard Dobson
>
>
>
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