Let's say we want to create a group of 20 identical instruments to be played simultaneously. Does csound have short-cut way to do that rather than create instr 1, instr 2, ..., instr 20? And even better, does csound have a way to simply use the next available instrument rather than calling out i1, i2, ..., i20 in the score?

   Lewis Berman

From: BERMAN L.I.

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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:12 PM

Subject: [Csnd] A group of identical instruments

Let's say we want to create a group of 20 identical instruments to be played simultaneously. Does csound have short-cut way to do that rather than create instr 1, instr 2, ..., instr 20? And even better, does csound have a way to simply use the next available instrument rather than calling out i1, i2, ..., i20 in the score?

   Lewis Berman

when defining instruments, you can assign several instrument numbers
to one definition like this:

instr 1,2,3,4,5
...blabla
endin

For you score issue, I'm not sure of a solution.
but if you just want to play all 20 of them simultaneously, you could
use score macros to define a 20-instrument call.

best
Oeyvind

2009/4/3 BERMAN L.I. :
> Let's say we want to create a group of 20 identical instruments to be played
> simultaneously. Does csound have short-cut way to do that rather than create
> instr 1, instr 2, ..., instr 20? And even better, does csound have a way to
> simply use the next available instrument rather than calling out i1, i2,
> ..., i20 in the score?
>
>    Lewis Berman
>
>

I often wondered what are the applications of this multiple-number
definition, as I never used that myself. I can't think of any use for it.

Victor
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Oeyvind Brandtsegg" 
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Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 6:43 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: A group of identical instruments


when defining instruments, you can assign several instrument numbers
to one definition like this:

instr 1,2,3,4,5
...blabla
endin

For you score issue, I'm not sure of a solution.
but if you just want to play all 20 of them simultaneously, you could
use score macros to define a 20-instrument call.

best
Oeyvind

2009/4/3 BERMAN L.I. :
> Let's say we want to create a group of 20 identical instruments to be 
> played
> simultaneously. Does csound have short-cut way to do that rather than 
> create
> instr 1, instr 2, ..., instr 20? And even better, does csound have a way 
> to
> simply use the next available instrument rather than calling out i1, i2,
> ..., i20 in the score?
>
> Lewis Berman
>
>


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The real question I suppose is what are you trying to accomplish by creating
20 identical instruments and rotating through them in the score that cannot
be accomplished with a single instrument?

Anthony Kozar
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Oeyvind Brandtsegg wrote on 4/3/09 1:43 PM:

> when defining instruments, you can assign several instrument numbers
> to one definition like this:
> 
> instr 1,2,3,4,5
> ...blabla
> endin
> 
> For you score issue, I'm not sure of a solution.
> but if you just want to play all 20 of them simultaneously, you could
> use score macros to define a 20-instrument call.
> 
> best
> Oeyvind
> 
> 2009/4/3 BERMAN L.I. :
>> Let's say we want to create a group of 20 identical instruments to be played
>> simultaneously. Does csound have short-cut way to do that rather than create
>> instr 1, instr 2, ..., instr 20? And even better, does csound have a way to
>> simply use the next available instrument rather than calling out i1, i2,
>> ..., i20 in the score?

victor wrote on 4/3/09 2:48 PM:

> I often wondered what are the applications of this multiple-number
> definition, as I never used that myself. I can't think of any use for it.

It makes it easy to define the same instrument on multiple MIDI channels, I
suppose.  But flexible instrument ordering for signal routing has always
seemed more significant to me.

Ex.
    ; my sound-producing instr
    instr 1
                ...
                zaw     aout, p4
    endin
    
    ; chorus
    instr 11, 21, 31, 41, 51
        ain     zar     p5
        aout    Chorus  ain, ...
                zaw     aout, p4
    endin

    ; flanger
    instr 12, 22, 32, 42, 52
        ain     zar     p5
        aout    Flange  ain, ...
                zaw     aout, p4
    endin

    ; distortion
    instr 13, 23, 33, 43, 53
        ain     zar     p5
        aout    Dist    ain, ...
                zaw     aout, p4
    endin

    ; other effects instruments, etc.

    ; mixer instr
    instr 100
        ain     zar     p5
                out     ain * p4
    endin

    ; in the score
    ;          zak out  zak in
    ;          (or amp)
      
    i 1   0 5  1
    i 11  0 5  2        1       ; chorus
    i 23  0 5  3        2       ; then distortion
    i 100 0 5  1.0      3

    i 1   0 5  1
    i 13  0 5  2        1       ; distortion
    i 22  0 5  3        2       ; then flanger
    i 31  0 5  4        3       ; then chorus
    i 100 0 5  1.0      4


Anthony Kozar
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http://anthonykozar.net/

I see; good idea about the flexible routing. Everyday you
learn a new thing. Thanks

Victor

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Anthony Kozar" 
To: "Csound mailing list address" 
Sent: Friday, April 03, 2009 8:46 PM
Subject: [Csnd] Re: A group of identical instruments


> victor wrote on 4/3/09 2:48 PM:
>
>> I often wondered what are the applications of this multiple-number
>> definition, as I never used that myself. I can't think of any use for it.
>
> It makes it easy to define the same instrument on multiple MIDI channels, 
> I
> suppose.  But flexible instrument ordering for signal routing has always
> seemed more significant to me.
>
> Ex.
>    ; my sound-producing instr
>    instr 1
>                ...
>                zaw     aout, p4
>    endin
>
>    ; chorus
>    instr 11, 21, 31, 41, 51
>        ain     zar     p5
>        aout    Chorus  ain, ...
>                zaw     aout, p4
>    endin
>
>    ; flanger
>    instr 12, 22, 32, 42, 52
>        ain     zar     p5
>        aout    Flange  ain, ...
>                zaw     aout, p4
>    endin
>
>    ; distortion
>    instr 13, 23, 33, 43, 53
>        ain     zar     p5
>        aout    Dist    ain, ...
>                zaw     aout, p4
>    endin
>
>    ; other effects instruments, etc.
>
>    ; mixer instr
>    instr 100
>        ain     zar     p5
>                out     ain * p4
>    endin
>
>    ; in the score
>    ;          zak out  zak in
>    ;          (or amp)
>
>    i 1   0 5  1
>    i 11  0 5  2        1       ; chorus
>    i 23  0 5  3        2       ; then distortion
>    i 100 0 5  1.0      3
>
>    i 1   0 5  1
>    i 13  0 5  2        1       ; distortion
>    i 22  0 5  3        2       ; then flanger
>    i 31  0 5  4        3       ; then chorus
>    i 100 0 5  1.0      4
>
>
> Anthony Kozar
> mailing-lists-1001 AT anthonykozar DOT net
> http://anthonykozar.net/
>
>
>
>
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????  why not just use one instrment?   Csound can run a lrge number of 
notes with on instrument.

What have i failed to understand?

==John ff

It's nice to be able to do this in Csound.  But it is a rather non-obvious
solution that can be difficult to follow when you go back to look at a piece
later.  This is one reason why I would like a way in Csound 6 to accomplish
the same goal without worrying about instrument order.  For some use cases,
UDOs would suffice, but probably not for others.

Anthony

victor wrote on 4/3/09 3:54 PM:

> I see; good idea about the flexible routing. Everyday you
> learn a new thing. Thanks