The last time I worked with Max/MSP one sample delays weren't
possible. IIRC the minimum delay was restricted to the current buffer
size. Does anyone know if this has since changed with later releases?

Yes, actually I think this has changed.
Max 6 has a thing they're calling "Gen", which is something like the
ability to code an external as a subpatch. I believe that includes
more precise timing than general MSP timing.

A



On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> The last time I worked with Max/MSP one sample delays weren't
> possible. IIRC the minimum delay was restricted to the current buffer
> size. Does anyone know if this has since changed with later releases?
>
>
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A little like Csound UDOs?

On 12 September 2012 11:44, Aidan Collins  wrote:
> Yes, actually I think this has changed.
> Max 6 has a thing they're calling "Gen", which is something like the
> ability to code an external as a subpatch. I believe that includes
> more precise timing than general MSP timing.
>
> A
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> The last time I worked with Max/MSP one sample delays weren't
>> possible. IIRC the minimum delay was restricted to the current buffer
>> size. Does anyone know if this has since changed with later releases?
>>
>>
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>
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Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
actually compiles differently.
http://cycling74.com/products/gen/
now that I look at it, it might be a separate purchase from Max 6.

A

On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:48 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> A little like Csound UDOs?
>
> On 12 September 2012 11:44, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>> Yes, actually I think this has changed.
>> Max 6 has a thing they're calling "Gen", which is something like the
>> ability to code an external as a subpatch. I believe that includes
>> more precise timing than general MSP timing.
>>
>> A
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:33 AM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> The last time I worked with Max/MSP one sample delays weren't
>>> possible. IIRC the minimum delay was restricted to the current buffer
>>> size. Does anyone know if this has since changed with later releases?
>>>
>>>
>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>
>>
>>
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It does seem to be an extra download. Wow. So in order to 'Experience
new audio possibilities with low-level tools and high-resolution
audio' one has to pay an extra $100 to the $400 they paid for Max in
the first place. I'm shocked.



On 12 September 2012 12:05, Aidan Collins  wrote:
> Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
> yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
> pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
> actually compiles differently.

ha typical!

What is this for? Why don't you use Csound~ instead? I hate doing any
DSP programming in MaxMSP!

P

On 12 September 2012 12:23, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> It does seem to be an extra download. Wow. So in order to 'Experience
> new audio possibilities with low-level tools and high-resolution
> audio' one has to pay an extra $100 to the $400 they paid for Max in
> the first place. I'm shocked.
>
>
>
> On 12 September 2012 12:05, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>> Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
>> yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
>> pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
>> actually compiles differently.
>
>
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Typical indeed. It's for a student who infatuated with Max4Live
because apparently all the DJs are using it!


On 12 September 2012 12:44, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> ha typical!
>
> What is this for? Why don't you use Csound~ instead? I hate doing any
> DSP programming in MaxMSP!
>
> P
>
> On 12 September 2012 12:23, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> It does seem to be an extra download. Wow. So in order to 'Experience
>> new audio possibilities with low-level tools and high-resolution
>> audio' one has to pay an extra $100 to the $400 they paid for Max in
>> the first place. I'm shocked.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 12 September 2012 12:05, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>> Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
>>> yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
>>> pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
>>> actually compiles differently.
>>
>>
>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>
>
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I think the student package might include everything (this was the
case with jitter at least).

P


On 12 September 2012 12:47, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> Typical indeed. It's for a student who infatuated with Max4Live
> because apparently all the DJs are using it!
>
>
> On 12 September 2012 12:44, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>> ha typical!
>>
>> What is this for? Why don't you use Csound~ instead? I hate doing any
>> DSP programming in MaxMSP!
>>
>> P
>>
>> On 12 September 2012 12:23, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> It does seem to be an extra download. Wow. So in order to 'Experience
>>> new audio possibilities with low-level tools and high-resolution
>>> audio' one has to pay an extra $100 to the $400 they paid for Max in
>>> the first place. I'm shocked.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12 September 2012 12:05, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>> Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
>>>> yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
>>>> pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
>>>> actually compiles differently.
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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>
>
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I'm happy to report that we've never invested in Max/MSP! (Why would
we when there is so much reasonably priced or free software out
there). I think I'm fighting a losing battle though. More and more of
the audio technology staff being hired are Max/MSP heads. Its hardly
surprising giving that most universities insist on using it in their
teaching. Then when these graduates look for work as teachers they
inevitably end up using Max/MSP. It's a vicious cycle, or, if you
purchase the Gen add-on you can make it a vicious recursive cycle!

p.s. I think Max/MSP is a great software, I really do. I just disagree
with their pricing.






On 12 September 2012 12:57, peiman khosravi  wrote:
> I think the student package might include everything (this was the
> case with jitter at least).
>
> P
>
>
> On 12 September 2012 12:47, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> Typical indeed. It's for a student who infatuated with Max4Live
>> because apparently all the DJs are using it!
>>
>>
>> On 12 September 2012 12:44, peiman khosravi  wrote:
>>> ha typical!
>>>
>>> What is this for? Why don't you use Csound~ instead? I hate doing any
>>> DSP programming in MaxMSP!
>>>
>>> P
>>>
>>> On 12 September 2012 12:23, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>> It does seem to be an extra download. Wow. So in order to 'Experience
>>>> new audio possibilities with low-level tools and high-resolution
>>>> audio' one has to pay an extra $100 to the $400 they paid for Max in
>>>> the first place. I'm shocked.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 12 September 2012 12:05, Aidan Collins  wrote:
>>>>> Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
>>>>> yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
>>>>> pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
>>>>> actually compiles differently.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>
>>
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He sure can, and that's exactly what I'll be suggesting to him!

On 12 September 2012 14:56, Bernt Isak Wærstad  wrote:
> He can still use csound~? It works fine with Max for Live (except some
> problems with low buffer size in combination with the pvs opcodes which I
> asked the list about a while ago but still haven't found the solution to)
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>
>> Typical indeed. It's for a student who infatuated with Max4Live
>> because apparently all the DJs are using it!
>>
>>
>> On 12 September 2012 12:44, peiman khosravi 
>> wrote:
>> > ha typical!
>> >
>> > What is this for? Why don't you use Csound~ instead? I hate doing any
>> > DSP programming in MaxMSP!
>> >
>> > P
>> >
>> > On 12 September 2012 12:23, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>> >> It does seem to be an extra download. Wow. So in order to 'Experience
>> >> new audio possibilities with low-level tools and high-resolution
>> >> audio' one has to pay an extra $100 to the $400 they paid for Max in
>> >> the first place. I'm shocked.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 12 September 2012 12:05, Aidan Collins 
>> >> wrote:
>> >>> Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
>> >>> yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
>> >>> pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
>> >>> actually compiles differently.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>> >
>> >
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>>
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>
>
>
> --
> Mvh.
>
> Bernt Isak Wærstad
>
>
>

Rory, forget beer. Let's crack open the whiskey bottle and start the
discussion ;-)

P

On 12 September 2012 15:01, Rory Walsh  wrote:
> He sure can, and that's exactly what I'll be suggesting to him!
>
> On 12 September 2012 14:56, Bernt Isak Wærstad  wrote:
>> He can still use csound~? It works fine with Max for Live (except some
>> problems with low buffer size in combination with the pvs opcodes which I
>> asked the list about a while ago but still haven't found the solution to)
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:47 PM, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>>
>>> Typical indeed. It's for a student who infatuated with Max4Live
>>> because apparently all the DJs are using it!
>>>
>>>
>>> On 12 September 2012 12:44, peiman khosravi 
>>> wrote:
>>> > ha typical!
>>> >
>>> > What is this for? Why don't you use Csound~ instead? I hate doing any
>>> > DSP programming in MaxMSP!
>>> >
>>> > P
>>> >
>>> > On 12 September 2012 12:23, Rory Walsh  wrote:
>>> >> It does seem to be an extra download. Wow. So in order to 'Experience
>>> >> new audio possibilities with low-level tools and high-resolution
>>> >> audio' one has to pay an extra $100 to the $400 they paid for Max in
>>> >> the first place. I'm shocked.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 12 September 2012 12:05, Aidan Collins 
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>> Yes, like that, but it's interesting. I haven't played with it much
>>> >>> yet, but I saw it introduced at the MaxExpo last year. It's still
>>> >>> pretty much graphical, but a slightly different syntax, and it
>>> >>> actually compiles differently.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Send bugs reports to the Sourceforge bug tracker
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>>> >
>>> >
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>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mvh.
>>
>> Bernt Isak Wærstad
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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